Not sure why they let Coyle continue again there. Hopefully no harm done.
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Rare you see two knockdowns from body shots in the same bout.
Campbell will be a world champion before Joshua.
Well yeah, but he's automatic contender now. How far off that is Joshua?
Well that's it for Paulie, Garcia just too good and was a sure thing for the betting man
147 looking stacked
147 looking stacked
Just caught the replay. Hopefully now PM can do some more commentating instead, because he's pretty awesome at that.
Was such a boring fight. Went to sleep before it finished.
Come on, Wilder... Hughie is a kid. Fight Povetkin so we can be without you for a while as you try to recover from irreparable brain damage 
I gave Wilder the benefit of the doubt for the easy fight in his last fight (his homecoming fight and first title defence, it's understandable he wanted an easy fight for it and a lot of fighters do that) but fighting Hughie Fury? That's just embarrassing, he's fought 2 fights over 8 rounds. The hype with Wilder will die down pretty quickly if he's fighting people like this constantly. I know the heavyweight division is pretty weak, with the exception of Wlad none of them would be able to touch any of the "old" heavyweights but there's better competition than this for a champion.
On 4 weeks notice to boot as well, what a joke.
He's going to hold that belt ransom and fight some terrible fights.
He's going to hold that belt ransom and fight some terrible fights.
I'm not keen on any of the Fury's but it would be hilarious if Hughie beat him.
Wilder also came out and said that Wlad would have to go America to fight for the WBC Title because of it's "prestige." He's ridiculous.
Already ducking the Wlad fight, I knew he would and it's why I never wanted him to become champion.
He'll milk the crap out of being an American HW champion.
Definitely. He might as well though, he'll fight people like Hughie Fury til the novelty of being an American champion wears off and they get bored of it. The American public loves to get behind a story like his and they will do for a few more fights I expect. He'll hope he can avoid Wlad long enough that he stands a chance against him. Milking it for all it's worth and getting a few million out of it will be tedious and shit for us to watch but he probably knows he won't beat Wlad or even the level below him so he might as well go for it til people start getting tired of it.
Pretty much. Povetkin & Wlad ruin him, Joshua will ruin him, Fury beats him, Haye probably beats him despite the time out.
Few thrillers to look forward to seem to be confirmed....
The politics in boxing really do ruin it at times as a sport. These 2 fights should never be happening. Hughie Fury has never fought a 12 rounder and suddenly gets a world title fight? Berto has lost 3 of his last 6 fights and gets a shot at Mayweather? I'm used to protection of fighters and I still think Mayweather won't retire after his next fight.
It is a shame when you see the UFC putting on fights which are evenly matched most the time and in boxing we're stuck with this shite. It is the problem with having so many titles and avenues to go down though for me. It's all a bit dated that system really. Something like PBC would be good for boxing if it actually allowed top fighters to go against each other.
The politics in boxing really do ruin it at times as a sport. These 2 fights should never be happening. Hughie Fury has never fought a 12 rounder and suddenly gets a world title fight? Berto has lost 3 of his last 6 fights and gets a shot at Mayweather? I'm used to protection of fighters and I still think Mayweather won't retire after his next fight.
It is a shame when you see the UFC putting on fights which are evenly matched most the time and in boxing we're stuck with this shite. It is the problem with having so many titles and avenues to go down though for me. It's all a bit dated that system really. Something like PBC would be good for boxing if it actually allowed top fighters to go against each other.
Wilder comes across as an absolute knob. What an incredibly cheap way to score a fight with some 'name value'. I'm not a fan of the Fury fighters but I'd love Hughie to score the upset, or more likely for Tyson to put a beating on him down the line.
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First twelve round fight for the world title! Wilder is a joke if this happens, surely it can't?
It gets worse if this article is to be believed:
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/396137-timing-could-scuttle-deontay-wilder-vs-hughie-fury
Wilder reportedly wants to fight him on 4 weeks notice and hasn't responded to the Fury camp's request for 8 weeks notice.
A bit late, but how do you guys rate Garcia's chances at 147? Is he a top 5 fighter? I'd say so. 147 is a pretty stacked division but I think he's up there.
1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Thurman
4. Brook
5. Garcia
Although the fight against Malignaggi was cherry picked, he looks amazing at that weight.
Garcia Vs Thurman would be a blockbuster, in my opinion. Too bad he regularly fights the likes of Rod Salka more often than a decent fighter.
1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Thurman
4. Brook
5. Garcia
Although the fight against Malignaggi was cherry picked, he looks amazing at that weight.
Garcia Vs Thurman would be a blockbuster, in my opinion. Too bad he regularly fights the likes of Rod Salka more often than a decent fighter.
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I think the bolded bit is the problem with Garcia and it seems like it will be for his career. He cherry pics almost all his opponents. The Rod Salka fight as you point out was a joke. People accuse Mayweather of ducking opponents but Garcia is on another level I think. Can't stand the guy. He is a good boxer as well but you can never really say til they fight "proper" fights and he's not done that convincingly in a while (Peterson was a decent fight but he struggled in that.)
To answer the question people who would definitely beat him at welterweight I'd really say are Mayweather and Pacquaio. Other than that I think there's plenty of fighters who would fancy their chances against him. Brook and Thurman as you point out. I think Shawn Porter would beat him as well. Close fights would be a rematch with Khan or even someone like Maidana would cause him problems.
It's the frustration I mentioned before. With Mayweather I think the Berto fight would be acceptable if it was on free TV but you can argue the likes of Mayweather in particular have earned the right to cherry pick fights if that's possible....Danny Garcia definitely hasn't and yet he seems to get away with it.
I'd rate Khan above Garcia at 147, despite Garcia beating Khan at 140, just because it's a weight Khan's so familiar with.
The division really is stacked, I'd like to see Khan vs Maidana II at 147.
I dunno, I think Garcia would probably beat most of those names (not convincingly, mind) other than May/Pac. The Matthysse fight really won me over.
They should really consider doing a mini-tournament with Brook-Thurman-Maidana-Garcia-Porter-Khan-Bradley-Marquez (if he's not already retired). Too bad promotional/ belt issues still prevent the best from fighting the best.
You think so? The vulnerabilities are still there with Khan, even at 147, and I'm not sure he'd last 12 rounds against a ferocious puncher like Garcia. He'd have to fight the perfect fight, and I don't believe we've seen that since the Judah fight.
Again, if the first fight is anything to go by, this would be an absolute treat. Another FOTY candidate.
I'd slot Bradley in at #3 or #4. Don't really rate Garcia tbh, think Algieri would beat him, while Robert Guerrero gives him a good fight.
Yeah it's definitely one of the most entertaining divisions at the moment...possibly the best one actually. Khan vs Maidana II would be brilliant, it was a great fight, cant see Khan doing it though in all honesty.
I think Garcia could prove me wrong, I admit my bias as I don't particularly like him due to the fact he never fights anyone. He could probably beat most welterweights on his day but like you say it wouldnt be convincing, most the fights could go either way. My admitted dislike for Garcia probably makes me sway in the others favours but they have all done it (or at least fought) much better opponents than Garcia ever has (and probably ever will.) Again, can see why people rate him, he's a huge hitter on his day.
The Super 6 tournament with Froch etc years ago was a similar pattern to that and it got slated. You could probably get 8 in there and do a knockout tournament of sorts but the politicing in boxing wouldn't allow it I don't think which is a shame.
Khans biggest problem is he isn't great at taking a punch and he leaves himself open in nearly every fight at least one, it's why his last few opponents have been hand picked as not big hitters. His career is one that's at a real crossroads at the moment, he's so desperate for a Mayweather fight that won't happen and for some odd reason he thinks hes a hugely bankable star who can demand stellar fights. He's at a risk of being left behind.
YEah forgot about Bradley. I like him purely down to the fact he is one of the few boxers who would fight anyone I reckon.
Bradley is a hugely underrated fighter but he's not really impressed over his last few bouts. I guess he'll give anyone a run for their money, but the only thing not in his favour is that he's not very marketable - and he'll always be a high risk, low reward opponent for most boxers.
Khans so hypocritical I might actually like him at this point. I think he's saying Floyds scared of him on purpose knowing full well everyones just going to use the same stuff about him from Kell Brooks point of view. Except I don't, I just think it's dumb these two ain't fighting because of Khan's insistence he's amazingly above Brook.
Shane Mosley obviously broke if he's now back and already asking for rematches against Floyd and Pac.
Shane Mosley obviously broke if he's now back and already asking for rematches against Floyd and Pac.
I agree with Kazi and Og tbh, I don't really rate Garcia -- I know, undefeated champ at 140, but he never really wowed me.
Yeah, the first was one of the greatest fights I've ever seen. Would love to see a rematch -- or maybe even Brook vs Maidana.
Floyd should retire after this..there really is nothing left for him to do.
50-0. No matter what he says he will want that from a marketing point of view from when he's retired (he already sold 48-0 caps, t shirts etc...50-0 looks better than that.)
You could say he should retire now, beating Berto isn't going to boost hus reputation at all.
Disappointed in Mayweather picking Berto - what a shite match-up. It was expected though, I guess.
I won't be buying PPV for that load of tripe, that's for sure.
I won't be buying PPV for that load of tripe, that's for sure.
Crap weekend of boxing ahead, couldn't care less about any of it. At least we get to see Captain Huck the weekend after though - best cruiserweight in the world bar none. Just saw the odds on Hughie v Wilder - @6/1 for the Traveller. Big value in my opinion, I have ten times the faith in that boy's chin than I do Wilder's.
I'd be surprised if Fury came close to knocking him out. Wilder isn't that good but Fury isn't any better either, he's only ever fought bums. I'd reckon his odds would be longer than that if it wasnt for the fact he was related to Tyson Fury.
August seems a pretty shit month for boxing as a whole doesn't it at the moment. Not really much happening it seems.
Eric Molina is absolute garbage and he had Wilder in real trouble, Fury is probably a better boxer than Tyson, although sadly he has suffered with illness and doesn't quite have the raw power. I'm not saying he wins, I'm saying that 6/1 is ridiculous. Wilder is one of the worst paper champions out there amongst many frauds.
August is terrible apart from Huck (a mortgage job @ 1/5) and Santacruz v Mares - I think Leo has more about him technically and has a big height/reach advantage - I strongly fancy him @ 11/13.
Povetkin deserves to be mentioned as well, he would look world class in any era.
Fair enough, 6/1 is good odds, if theres going to be a "shock" in a Fury fight it would be this one, he probably has more of a chance than Tyson of being a heavyweight champion by the end of the year as things stand!!
Yeah Povetkin would probably do a job. Shows how weak the heavyweight division is at the moment unfortunately as well. Wlad disposed of him easily and he's the 2nd best in the division. People get excited about the likes of Joshua but the risk is that theres no one for him to fight either when he's ready to be a world champion.
Yeah Tyson has a punchers chance, nothing more. Klitschko comes into his own against taller fighters because he doesn't rely on the awful clinching he uses against smaller fighters like Povetkin. I'm a big Wlad fan but I thought he was a disgrace in that fight: jab, clinch and lean all night. It wasn't a fair fight and the referee was awful.
Povetkin is the real deal, I'd back him against anyone not called Klitschko. Hopefully Joshua will fight him someday because I'm almost certain Wilder is going to milk this for years and never face anyone decent. The boxing public are so stupid they will probably pay for Mayweather Berto in their droves.
Yeah it was a shocking fight, I struggled to watch it at the time.
I think Joshua is one of the few fighters who would probably fight anyone, Hearn on the otherhand wouldn't put him in against them....not that there's anything wrong with that it's not just Hearn who does it. Joshua is his prized asset for the next 10 years. WIlder will hold the title hostage for as long as he possibly can, until people get fed up of him and I don't think the casual American fans will get bored of him for a while in all honesty.
Mayweather vs Berto will be milked on being Mayweathers last fight and do good numbers on that, it really is a poor fight, especially for PPV.
When Mayweather was talking about Mayfield or Berto I genuinely thought he had grown a sense of humour.