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Floyd Mayweather says his September boxing swansong will be against one of two opponents - neither of whom is Amir Khan.

Mayweather is adamant he will walk away from the sport after one more fight, and Khan has dedicated his recent career to chasing a dream date with the unbeaten American before his retirement.

Britain's welterweight star has raised his profile in the United States andthis month claimed he was "closer than ever" to securing a shot at Mayweather.

But in an exchange with journalists, filmed in the wake of Shawn Porter's weekend victory over Adrien Broner and posted on You Tube channelThaBoxingVoice, Mayweather named two other potential - albeit unlikely-looking - rivals.

"You've been doing your homework," he said. "There are two names out there that I'm going to fight. I'm either going to fight Karim Mayfield or Andre Berto in September."

Berto is the WBA's 'ordinary' interim champion, but the Haitian-American has lost three of his past six fights, while Mayfield was beaten twice last year and has never fought for a world title.

Asked whether he was being serious, Mayweather said: "When (Manny) Pacquiao chose the last guy before me did you say that about him?"

That "last guy" was Chris Algieri - Khan's most recent opponent - and Mayweather's apparent dismissal of his credentials is another blow for the Briton, who snubbed a huge domestic fight with Kell Brook to take on Algieri.

Mayweather also rejected the possibility of a rematch with Miguel Cotto and told Porter and Keith Thurman they have no chance of facing him.

The 38-year-old said he would relinquish one of his three welterweight belts later this year and allow his unbeaten protege Errol Spence to fight either Porter or Thurman for the chance to become world champion.
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http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/ne...d-says-its-andre-berto-or-karim-mayfield-next

Looks like Mayweather's apparent last pay day might be an easy one!

I'd guess he'd of beaten Khan but we will never find out it seems, interesting to see what Khan does from now. If this is the fight Mayweather is taking I'd suggest he seriously needs to moveo n from talking about Mayweather all the time, it's just slowing down his career when he has potential for some big money fights. I reckon Kell Brook will be the happiest person about this news.

Also not related to Mayweather but thought this was a nice touch from Ward after the Paul Smith fight:

 
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FC Ronaldo said:
Your big nose...

Speaking of noses, I wonder if Paul Smith has had his reset yet.
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haha.

Surely he's calling it a day soon? There's hardly any pay days left for him now...he'd probably get more money doing work for Sky! Was funny listening to the commentary for his fight, Jim Watt was slating him every opportunity, probably worried he'll be getting his job in the near future.
 
Oggmonster said:
haha.

Surely he's calling it a day soon? There's hardly any pay days left for him now...he'd probably get more money doing work for Sky! Was funny listening to the commentary for his fight, Jim Watt was slating him every opportunity, probably worried he'll be getting his job in the near future.
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Yeah, caught an interview with Hearn - pretty much said the same. Said he picked Smith up from British / European level - has given him 2 world title fights and the best p4p in the division all in under a year. Could have got the nod in Abraham 1 but didn't so could have been a champ too. Either way he said he's made his life financially secure and while the belt is for pride, money sets up his life. Sky career beckons unless he gets a gatekeeper offer from a young upstart that he fancies entertaining. He's also in the pocket for a second loss to Groves or Degale too. Or even if Murray drops a level, a northern domestic scrap at a high level.
 
Assuming Garcia beats Malignaggi, I wonder if a Brook/Garcia fight might be on the cards for January (if Khan doesn't fight Brook, that is). Maybe Khan/Thurman if Thurman beats Collazo.

*Weight might be an issue I suppose.
 
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Oscar must have some money issues if he's thinking of a return.

GGG would annihilate him.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Assuming Garcia beats Malignaggi, I wonder if a Brook/Garcia fight might be on the cards for January (if Khan doesn't fight Brook, that is). Maybe Khan/Thurman if Thurman beats Collazo.

*Weight might be an issue I suppose.
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I think that Thurman could be boxing's next star. He has skills, power and outside of the ring he is extroverted and cocky but also an engaging and humble personality.

I don't see Collazo posing much threat to KT.
 
ha_rooney said:
Oscar must have some money issues if he's thinking of a return.

GGG would annihilate him.
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Owner of Golden Boy, I doubt it. Yeah, tbh a lot of fighters would annihilate him at this moment in time. Been out too long.

Classical Mechanic said:
I think that Thurman could be boxing's next star. He has skills, power and outside of the ring he is extroverted and cocky but also an engaging and humble personality.

I don't see Collazo posing much threat to KT.
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I agree that Thurman wins, but Collazo is a former champ, he will go the distance and really test Thurman imo.
 
ha_rooney said:
Oscar must have some money issues if he's thinking of a return.

GGG would annihilate him.
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I think he's trying to raise GGG's profile somewhat in the USA for a fight with Canelo. DLH talking it up as some fight that tempts him out of retirement would make people pay attention to GGG especially when the only other opponent he said he'd fight is Mayweather. I'd be surprised if he comes out of retirement at all really. I
 
If 42 is randomly the new 32.....why was he getting his ass handed to him by Manny?.....and further to the point, that dude he fought before Manny kinda embarrassed him to, Steve Forbes was it? He looked garbage in that fight.

Floyd and Hopkins just outclassed him with amazing ease. Should of lost to Felix Sturm without a doubt, and yeah, okay good performance against Mayorga, who isn't remotely elite. I've never got the DLH hype, he's the final stepping stone to superstardom pretty much because he's randomly huge for shit he did in the 90's. So yeah, let Golovkin just destroy him, Golovkin deserves that push.
 
Zen said:
If 42 is randomly the new 32.....why was he getting his ass handed to him by Manny?.....and further to the point, that dude he fought before Manny kinda embarrassed him to, Steve Forbes was it? He looked garbage in that fight.

Floyd and Hopkins just outclassed him with amazing ease. Should of lost to Felix Sturm without a doubt, and yeah, okay good performance against Mayorga, who isn't remotely elite. I've never got the DLH hype, he's the final stepping stone to superstardom pretty much because he's randomly huge for shit he did in the 90's. So yeah, let Golovkin just destroy him, Golovkin deserves that push.
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Whilst I don't think he'll come back as said above I do agree with you. I think he's one of the most over rated fighters around. Whilst he had some pretty big wins in his career (Chavez twice, Whittaker, Gatti) he's come up short plenty of times, Trinidad beat him, Moseley did twice, Hopkins, Mayweather and Pacquiao all beat him soundly as well....he's had a few decisions go in his favour in other fights as well, as you mention there was the Sturm fight but also against Quartey before the Trinidad fight he was lucky. De La Hoya did brilliantly to get marketed the way he was. He's a product of the American hype machine. A record of 39-6 is hardly a legendary status, especially when the majority of big fights he fought he lost them or won controversially.
 
The following fighters should be picking the phone up and begging to fight De La Hoya:
Froch
Khan
Brook

All of them could fight him and beat him across a catchweight MW up to SMW. I'd back Degale and Groves to do it too. Heck probably Martin Murray also.

Completely agree @Zen - his early career and accolades were the best part. His last 7 or 8 outings were all overhyped, lacking in substance and questionable in some stages of the contests.

I would suggest Golden Boy's fall from grace in the wake of competition is the primary factor for this talk. He's using the most renowned asset they have to get attention, himself. After years of drug and alcohol abuse, it reeks of desperation. That said, would be great for him to defy the odds. But all money suggests he won't against remotely world level fighters of today.
 
Zen said:
If 42 is randomly the new 32.....why was he getting his ass handed to him by Manny?.....and further to the point, that dude he fought before Manny kinda embarrassed him to, Steve Forbes was it? He looked garbage in that fight.

Floyd and Hopkins just outclassed him with amazing ease. Should of lost to Felix Sturm without a doubt, and yeah, okay good performance against Mayorga, who isn't remotely elite. I've never got the DLH hype, he's the final stepping stone to superstardom pretty much because he's randomly huge for shit he did in the 90's. So yeah, let Golovkin just destroy him, Golovkin deserves that push.
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I don't think we should judge him too harshly for being destroyed by Manny in his prime, Pacquiao was doing that to anyone who dared fight him. DLH was a true champion who never shirked a big fight, Mayweather hardly outclassed him, it was an SD! Not only that but Mayweather "retired" in order to avoid giving him the rematch he deserved. It's complete spin to suggest that it was an easy fight for him, utter nonsense. I wish we had more champions like DLH today, the sport would be far richer.
 
I think Oscar was at his best in the lower weight divisions, he had crazy hand-speed. At 147 and above, he just wasn't the same monster. And that's where all of his big fights came at, except JCC.
 
Fielding vs Vera on Friday, should be a walk in the park for Fielding but sets up a clash against Callum Smith in September (Smith's fighting Rebrasse on Friday as well).
 
Ignore Kugan, great interview with Tony Bellew here -

 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Fielding vs Vera on Friday, should be a walk in the park for Fielding but sets up a clash against Callum Smith in September (Smith's fighting Rebrasse on Friday as well).
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You think so? I'm not massively familiar with either but I watched Vera get absolutely robbed of a victory against Chavez Junior a year or so ago - he was very busy and had a decent chin.
 
I don't know if anyone here follows the amateurs, but it's been a very good week for boxing for the european games in Baku his week. Ireland have picked up 4 medals so far, and unlucky not to have another 1 or 2. We're looking great for the Olympics if no-one urns pro in the meantime. Belfast in particular has a ridiculous pool of talent, between Framtpon, Jamie Conlan (Quigley from Donegal too) in the pro's, there's also Mick Conlan, Paddy Barnes, Sean McComb and Brendan Irvine all from Belfast in the high performance unit too. Disgrace the amount of funding in Irish boxing though....it's our best sport and has feck all media coverage and state funding.

Ukraine apparently have had a strong group once again these games. Kazakhstan also.
 
evra said:
You think so? I'm not massively familiar with either but I watched Vera get absolutely robbed of a victory against Chavez Junior a year or so ago - he was very busy and had a decent chin.
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Yeah, but Chavez fought the rematch and undoubtedly beat Vera. I'm not hugely familiar with Vera either, have seen a few of his fights, but I just think Fielding will have too much for him.
 
Just some thoughts on Khan and Cotto. Was meant to post my thoughts weeks ago, but not had the time.

I don't think anyone expected Algieri to be the aggressor. Didn't know much about him prior to the fight, but I know that there were a few who said he's better than what he showed against Pacquiao (and they were right). On his size, he was bigger (and that contributed to his menacing look), but that was to be expected. He dropped muscle for the Pac fight and missed weight the first time. At 147lbs, he put muscle back on and he didn't need to drain himself. If he boxed on the back foot - matador style - he would have been taken down by Khan. He cut off the ring very well and made a mockery of those insulting him. Dan Rafael, you are a mug.

What defines a Khan fight for me: drama, excitement, and carelessness. Khan was never going to be in the trouble we seen against Maidana and Danny Garcia. But his fights haven't been exciting to watch since he was knocked out against Garcia. Happy to be corrected on that. Simply put, he's a sensible boxer now and doesn't get drawn into brawls. Is that enough for Mayweather? I don't even buy into the theory that Khan-Algieri being a bit meh might "force" Mayweather into picking Khan. At times it was exciting, but it's not going to make any fight of the year lists and I think that's what Khan needed. The fight doesn't change his reputation, and he's one of boxers in line to face Mayweather/Pac instead of being one of the main ones.

As for Cotto, I'm happy for him. Is this the "old Cotto"? I'm not sure. He looks better defensively (and Geale is a pretty accurate puncher). Cotto beat him in every area. A lot of credit for his revival has to go down to Roach. Pacquiao has been with Roach for a long time and we don't know how good he could have been if he was with a different trainer. But I think Cotto has shown just how good Roach is - his career is on the up. Remember, it wasn't long ago that Austin Trout demolished Cotto. One last thing.... this catchweight crap needs to stop. Cotto is middleweight champion despite not being middleweight. Please sort this out.
 
evra said:
I don't think we should judge him too harshly for being destroyed by Manny in his prime, Pacquiao was doing that to anyone who dared fight him. DLH was a true champion who never shirked a big fight, Mayweather hardly outclassed him, it was an SD! Not only that but Mayweather "retired" in order to avoid giving him the rematch he deserved. It's complete spin to suggest that it was an easy fight for him, utter nonsense. I wish we had more champions like DLH today, the sport would be far richer.
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Watch the fight not the scoreboard. Mayweather eased to victory. Popularity got DLH that SD, essentially none of "flurries" were hitting, and then he couldn't even get them in since he gassed in latter rounds from having to endlessly do it to try and get cheap points(obviously worked) + Floyds insane accuracy on him. Hopkins wasn't overly dissimilar, except he was the bigger natural dude and caught him beautifully in a sweet spot whereas Floyd was the smaller guy.

I also find it funny how he's put all this on Floyd....despite the fact he looked shocking against Forbes, and at the time, Hatton was a better attraction for Floyd to fight, in fact far better, similar money + Hatton was undefeated at the time and brings in a new market for him. Let's also not forget the rematches DLH promised and didn't give himself going in a different route. It's hard to please everyone in the boxing world when you only box twice a year, if that.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
The following fighters should be picking the phone up and begging to fight De La Hoya:
Froch
Khan
Brook
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I can see why De La Hoya might think he could beat Khan being truthful, I can't see him fighting Brook or Froch. He might as well book a hospital bed before the fight.

Its a hard question considering we havent seen De La Hoya in so long but do you think he would stand a chance against Khan or any "top" fighter?

(Sorry to bump up such an old post, haha)
 
Van Gaalacticos said:
Its a hard question considering we havent seen De La Hoya in so long but do you think he would stand a chance against Khan or any "top" fighter?
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No. He's been out 8 years, is 42, and didn't go out on top (he was getting embarrassed when he finally called it a day). Khan (or any fighter at that level) would rip him to shreds, it would be similar to the Ward/Smith fight last weekend.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
No. He's been out 8 years, is 42, and didn't go out on top (he was getting embarrassed when he finally called it a day). Khan (or any fighter at that level) would rip him to shreds, it would be similar to the Ward/Smith fight last weekend.
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I don't know if he can last getting punished as long as Smith did either. I can see why he would think he might be able to get to Khan, realistically he wouldn't, but I can understand why De La Hoya would think a KO against him was possible.
 


I know I keep going on about this fight, but damnit, it has to happen.
 
Tommy said:


I know I keep going on about this fight, but damnit, it has to happen.
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Would sell Wembley out with ease (no, I'm not Carl Froch). Really, really tough to pick a winner. Khan fighting the way he has been lately, the cautious, smart type of fighter, I'd give him the edge. But Brook is just a beast. If it's a fight fought at close quarters, then Brook would take it imo.

Would be a bit like the Hatton/Mayweather fight imo. Hatton(Brook) would be the aggressor, constantly coming forward, Khan (Mayweather) would be strategic, defensive (footwork, not hugging, and precise in his punching).
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Would sell Wembley out with ease (no, I'm not Carl Froch). Really, really tough to pick a winner. Khan fighting the way he has been lately, the cautious, smart type of fighter, I'd give him the edge. But Brook is just a beast. If it's a fight fought at close quarters, then Brook would take it imo.
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Fought 12 months ago I'd have said Khan every time. Now the confidence and with it, the change in style to be more aggressive and the assured quality Brook has shown it's a truly pick'em fight with 3 main factors for me, and I've listed in order of probability:

1) If Khan could maintain distance for 2 minutes 30 of every round, he'd be favourite to win with his stamina, speed and skillset. If that doesn't happen, with every second lost from that strategy, Brook gains more of an advantage.

2) If Brook can take Khan's rapid jabs and combo's and launch his own offence throughout the contest, it will be a matter of when and not if he hurts Khan.

3) If Khan's accumulation of punches and the variety within that output can change Brook's approach, then that's a game changer down the stretch. Brook isn't granite chinned, he has been hurt and wobbled before too and by lesser quality opponents than any he is facing currently. Not, of course, that anyone would let like to remind you of that.

That said, I think this will be booked in for May 2016 and agree on Wembley sell out. They'll haver to dodge an early FA Cup Final and possible England friendlies ahead of Euro 2016 though. Old Trafford would be cool too but the raised pitch may make it difficult for lower tier seats to look over people sitting on the already elevated pitch.

Van Gaalacticos said:
I can see why De La Hoya might think he could beat Khan being truthful, I can't see him fighting Brook or Froch. He might as well book a hospital bed before the fight.

Its a hard question considering we havent seen De La Hoya in so long but do you think he would stand a chance against Khan or any "top" fighter?

(Sorry to bump up such an old post, haha)
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If Khan or Brook could get ODLH down to a catchweight middleweight, he'd be heavily drained and out of sync with the process again and be a sitting duck. Can't see his power being enough to hurt either man if he did connect either any more. Their speed and movement would get to him.

Golovkin or Froch would be a forgone conclusion through concussive blows to the head eventually.

Cotto could be interesting, for as good as he has looked lately, he's still got a career of fragilities behind him and is an old 34. He's been very well matched lately (legally in the fight agreement process and fights themselves) and this title run has allowed him to showcase the best of his ferocious offence. Think he'd stop ODLH on body shots.
 
Quigg/Frampton .... Khan/Brook

fecking sort it UK Boxing, we're turning into Americans with all this duck and diving. Two fecking dream matches right in front of us, with time to milk them genuinely for a few fights, and it's not happening. Takes the piss. I feel for Brook, since he kind of needs that Khan to push him to the next level, as he's loyal to man who made him in Eddie Hearn.
 
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/ne...ch-likely-to-retire-says-promoter-eddie-hearn

Carl Froch may have fought his last fight after promoter Eddie Hearn admitted there is a “strong possibility” the former WBC and IBF super-middleweight champion will retire.

Froch's team opened negotiations with Gennady Golovkin’s representatives last month over a possible Wembley showdown.

Golovkin, the WBA champion, is running out of opponents in the middleweight division and was willing to step up to 168lbs in order to take on the Nottingham fighter in London.

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Golovkin, who stopped Willie Monroe Jr in six rounds last month, said he was willing to travel to Britain for a showdown with Froch
However, Golovkin's promoter Tom Loeffler has since admitted talks have stalled and that they are now looking at other opponents, including a unification fight with IBF holder David Lemieux.

Froch, who turns 38 next month, last fought in a domestic rival rematch with George Groves just over a year ago and Hearn admits 'the Cobra' may now hang up his gloves.

"I've spoken to Golovkin's manager Tom Loeffler and Carl still hasn't decided if he's fighting again yet," Hearn told ESPN. "If he does fight again, there's a very good chance it will be against Golovkin but at the moment there's nothing.

"I think now there's a strong possibility he will retire. People are saying he has to hurry up and make his mind up, but he will make up his mind when he wants to.


Former super-middleweight king Joe Calzaghe believes Carl Froch must either fight for a world title or announce his retirement
"There's also the possibility of a big domestic fight against James DeGale for a world title to consider, but my gut feeling is that he will not fight again.

"Boxing fans would love to see him fight again, but if he hasn't got the desire he definitely shouldn't get back in the ring again. If he wants to fight again he will, if he doesn't, what a way to go out last time against Groves in front of 80,000 at Wembley."
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FC Ronaldo said:
Fought 12 months ago I'd have said Khan every time. Now the confidence and with it, the change in style to be more aggressive and the assured quality Brook has shown it's a truly pick'em fight with 3 main factors for me, and I've listed in order of probability:

1) If Khan could maintain distance for 2 minutes 30 of every round, he'd be favourite to win with his stamina, speed and skillset. If that doesn't happen, with every second lost from that strategy, Brook gains more of an advantage.

2) If Brook can take Khan's rapid jabs and combo's and launch his own offence throughout the contest, it will be a matter of when and not if he hurts Khan.

3) If Khan's accumulation of punches and the variety within that output can change Brook's approach, then that's a game changer down the stretch. Brook isn't granite chinned, he has been hurt and wobbled before too and by lesser quality opponents than any he is facing currently. Not, of course, that anyone would let like to remind you of that.

That said, I think this will be booked in for May 2016 and agree on Wembley sell out. They'll haver to dodge an early FA Cup Final and possible England friendlies ahead of Euro 2016 though. Old Trafford would be cool too but the raised pitch may make it difficult for lower tier seats to look over people sitting on the already elevated pitch.



If Khan or Brook could get ODLH down to a catchweight middleweight, he'd be heavily drained and out of sync with the process again and be a sitting duck. Can't see his power being enough to hurt either man if he did connect either any more. Their speed and movement would get to him.

Golovkin or Froch would be a forgone conclusion through concussive blows to the head eventually.

Cotto could be interesting, for as good as he has looked lately, he's still got a career of fragilities behind him and is an old 34. He's been very well matched lately (legally in the fight agreement process and fights themselves) and this title run has allowed him to showcase the best of his ferocious offence. Think he'd stop ODLH on body shots.
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Would a Cotto and De La Hoya fight draw much outside of the American continents?For all of Cottos success and exciting style he's never really crossed over into the mainstream in the same way that Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hatton and De La Hoya etc have. If a fight with De La Hoya goes ahead, money aside, no top fighter has anything to gain by fighting him. I'm not Khan fan so I'd be pleased to see him get put in his place by anyone, especially a 42 year old but I don't see it happening.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Just watched Katy Taylor fight on my phone on the way into work. The European champinships are being streamed on youtube. She's through to the final. Bloody close fight though. I love her style, such an aggressive but technical fighter.
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Nicola Adams also picked up gold. She has quite a flashy in out style. There are some talented fighters in the women's game these days.
 
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