The RedCafe Boxing Thread

I don't think there can be any doubt that Povetkin, even after getting thrown around by Wlad (one of the worst displays of wrestle-boxing ever), is the most dangerous fight for any heavyweight today.

He destroyed Mike Perez in just over a minute and in spectacular KO fashion.


Price has the power, Fury the awkwardness and Joshua (and Parker) the future but Povetkin is the best without a proper belt for sure.


I agree, I think the problem with any heavyweight is that once they've faced and lost to Wlad (or VItali previously) it kind of ruins their aura as there's no way that they can get to the top level as they've tried and failed. At least the likes of Wilder haven't done it....not to say they would as they probably wouldnt beat Wad but they could argue that until they fight it can never be proven. Anything can happen in a boxing match, especially heavyweight.
 
Not sure why Wilder is being described as a fraud, I like the guy. He has taken 32 opponents out quickly and was impressive in beating Stiverne.
His fight with Molina was not impressive but he was always in control and clearly has power.
Even if he is as bad as some on here think he will always have a punchers chance.
A lot of unanswered questions out there as far as the heavyweights are concerned.
Next couple of years should clear a lot of doubts up, either way I think Wilder has every right to be up there.
 
This is a weird one.

SMALL:BOXING CHAMP SOLD GLOVES TO FIGHT FOR ISLAMIC STATE

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A former British and Commonwealth boxing champion sold his gloves and other memorabilia to fund his travel to Syria to fight for the Islamic State, the Old Bailey heard today (MON).

Anthony Small, 33, planned to travel to the war-torn with two other suspected terrorists but broke his hand two days before the trip, it is claimed.

His friends, Michael Coe, 34, and Simon Keeler, 44, were arrested on 30 November last year after being discovered in the back of a lorry at Dover.

Both had false identity documents to enable them to leave the UK, jurors heard. - See more at: http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/#sthash.fPjFdf0t.dpuf
 
@Jippy

It doesn't surprise me. Small always was a numpty of the highest order even before he converted. Called himself 'Sugar Ray Cassius Clay Jones Jr'. He was a decent European level fighter at best.

I saw him on 'The Big Questions' on the BBC after he had converted and retired, he certainly seemed excitable and potentially extremist.
 
@Jippy

It doesn't surprise me. Small always was a numpty of the highest order even before he converted. Called himself 'Sugar Ray Cassius Clay Jones Jr'. He was a decent European level fighter at best.

I saw him on 'The Big Questions' on the BBC after he had converted and retired, he certainly seemed excitable and potentially extremist.

:lol:Reminds me of those idiots who name their kids after the United treble-winning team or whatever. Sounds like he was easily-led or gullible tbf.
 
Badou Jack vs George Groves for the WBC super middleweight title on Saturday 22nd August in Las Vegas. Confirmed.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/geo...-with-badou-jack-for-the-wbc-title-in-august/

Was rumours that it would feature as the chief supporting act on the undercard of Floyd's next fight but this has been confirmed not to be the case.

Fancy Groves to win this, if he can't put him away early then still by a comfortable points margin. Think Jack's forward, pot-shot style is open for Groves to jab and pick clever combinations and heavy shots against.

EDIT - Here's Jack's only loss, a very chinny performance and caught cold by Derek Edwards in round 1. Edwards wasn't known for his power and lost to Andre Dirrell last time out while he'd also previously been stopped by Adonis Stevenson and Matt Korobov.

 
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WBC super lightweight champion Danny Garcia has vacated his belt at 140 lbs. WBC head honcho Mauricio Sulaiman announced the Lucas Matthysse v Viktor Postol will fight for the now vacant title at a yet to be announced date.
 
Badou Jack vs George Groves for the WBC super middleweight title on Saturday 22nd August in Las Vegas. Confirmed.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/geo...-with-badou-jack-for-the-wbc-title-in-august/

Was rumours that it would feature as the chief supporting act on the undercard of Floyd's next fight but this has been confirmed not to be the case.

Fancy Groves to win this, if he can't put him away early then still by a comfortable points margin. Think Jack's forward, pot-shot style is open for Groves to jab and pick clever combinations and heavy shots against.

EDIT - Here's Jack's only loss, a very chinny performance and caught cold by Derek Edwards in round 1. Edwards wasn't known for his power and lost to Andre Dirrell last time out while he'd also previously been stopped by Adonis Stevenson and Matt Korobov.



Surprised it's not on a Mayweather undercard as that was all the talk before hand....especially when it's a month before the rumoured Mayweather date!

I'd be surprised if Groves didn't win it, I've not seen loads of Jack but when I do he's not overly impressive for me. I'd imagine it's setu p for a Groves vs DeGale rematch...if that's the case I'd expect DeGale to win to be honest.
 
Surprised it's not on a Mayweather undercard as that was all the talk before hand....especially when it's a month before the rumoured Mayweather date!

I'd be surprised if Groves didn't win it, I've not seen loads of Jack but when I do he's not overly impressive for me. I'd imagine it's setu p for a Groves vs DeGale rematch...if that's the case I'd expect DeGale to win to be honest.

Aye, via 1 round of heavily favoured defences in each fighters favour too. Eddie Hearn will be thinking of a football stadium in London in the summer all over again for his super middleweights. Highbury would be best but Stamford Bridge a possibility.

Another chance to send Joshua and Mitchell out in front of a London crowd too.
 
Aye, via 1 round of heavily favoured defences in each fighters favour too. Eddie Hearn will be thinking of a football stadium in London in the summer all over again for his super middleweights. Highbury would be best but Stamford Bridge a possibility.

Another chance to send Joshua and Mitchell out in front of a London crowd too.

Depends when it is. Judging by an August fight you'd guess May next year earliest by the time the fight happened. Isn't Stamford Bridge rumoured to be getting refurbished (and will become unusable for 2 years) soon?

If Hearn is organising it I'd guess The Emirates or another Wembley "Super Show" by that point Joshua would of progressed and like you say Mitchell infront of a London crowd always goes down well.
 


I can't stand De La Hoya, he just seems so false. Somehow he started this "rematch" talk then I think someone asked Mayweather in the Broner vs Porter press conference and he answered the question the DLH has managed to somehow turn it on Mayweather. At least with people like Mayweather, Broner etc there's no airs and graces...they know what they're like. The whole "Golden Boy" bravado is such a bullshit it's horrible to watch.
 
Agreed. It was well worked to spin the PR favour in his way, but he started. Don't know why Floyd took the bait, but of course he'd take the fight, it's an epic payday for the easiest fight he could have at this point. He effortlessly beat him like 10 years ago, DLH was a further shell when going LOWER again against Manny....on what planet did this stuff even come from? At least him throwing Golovkins name out there as well as Floyds he'd be at more ideal weight, but still he doesn't want to get embarrassed
 
He effortlessly beat him like 10 years ago

Don't buy that argument much. Was probably Floyd's closest fight with most having De La Hoya ahead after round 10 to be followed by 2 very questionably low-output rounds that swang the fight Floyd's way. Read into that what you will.

Shouldn't be repeated though.

Also if you watch Floyd Pac without commentary, it's very reasonable to score that fight a lot closer than it was perceived live. It's entirely rational to see it as a draw.
 
Don't buy that argument much. Was probably Floyd's closest fight with most having De La Hoya ahead after round 10 to be followed by 2 very questionably low-output rounds that swang the fight Floyd's way. Read into that what you will.

Shouldn't be repeated though.

Was nowhere near Floyd's closest fight with most observers including Max Kellerman wondering how on earth one judge had actually managed to call it for De La Hoya when clearly Floyd should have won by unanimous rather than split decision. It was an easy win for Floyd and he's had harder fights vs Cotto and Castillo.
 
Castillo was Floyd's closest fight... Well, not really, he lost by several rounds :lol:

Seriously though, any news on Froch yet?
 
I stopped scoring Floyd-Oscar after nine rounds cause Floyd had already won seven of them. Had it 9-3 in the end. I think Castillo and Maidana both won four or five rounds in their first fights.
 
Seriously though, any news on Froch yet?

He's been talking about Wembley for the 384th day in a row...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ting-Nottingham-excuse-blasts-Carl-Froch.html

'Andre Ward says he doesn't want to come to Nottingham because it's a [30,000 seat arena] so he's says if he's going to come to England it's going to be for Wembley Stadium - but guess what, Andre Ward, nobody wants to come and see you fight,' the 37-year-old told talkSPORT's Sports Bar show on Friday.

'They want to come and see me fight but not against [Ward] at Wembley Stadium. It's not a big enough fight for Wembley because Andre Ward is boring and unknown – that's a fact. It's not a Wembley fight.

'You can't just come and fight at Wembley Stadium, you need the right ingredients, like what we had with the second George Groves fight.

'If Andre Ward wants to fight me, like he says he does, why doesn't he come to Nottingham, get the biggest payday of his career and beat me in my hometown? His excuse was he wants to do it at Wembley Stadium but we can't go to Wembley because it doesn't sell. It sells 20-30,000 in Nottingham but at Wembley it doesn't. This guy is deluded. He hasn't got a clue.'

Pop quiz - does anyone know where Carl Froch last fought?
 
Some weight shenanigans going on in the Porter/Broner fight, I'm hearing there isn't going to be a rehydration clause and there will only be one weigh in. Broner trying to get whatever advantage he can, I really can't stand this whole "A-side" "B-side" nonsense. Have any of these guys ever been introduced to the notion of sportsmanship? At least Porter seems like a decent fellow, I think/(hope) he'll have a similar performance to Maidana, I just hope he isn't too weight drained.
 
Good fights this weekend. Wins for Ward (obviously) + Broner.

Porter vs Broner should be a cracking fight though.
 


Great video, Foreman was devastatingly powerful. Ali's ropeadope strategy really was genius (yet he had to soak up so many body shots, even if they weren't hitting with 100% power -- the ropes taking some of the power away, they were still pretty big shots).
 
Paul Smith missed his weight by over 4lbs. He's fighting Andre Ward, former top 3 p4p fighter coming back from legal disputes forcing inactivity, tonight for those that aren't aware. Keep in mind this was a catchweight at 172, already a step up in weight from his SMW standard and technically a LHW contest. He's there for the pay day and a beating.

Broner - Porter all weighed in on point, that too is a catchweight WW contest, this time at 144lbs. It's also the lowest Shawn Porter has ever weighed in at so while many are picking his aggressiev and busy style to edge a close points decision, there is a risk he will be drained from the cut by fight time tonight.

Last thing - the sooner they kill off catchweight fights the better.
 
Paul Smith missed his weight by over 4lbs. He's fighting Andre Ward, former top 3 p4p fighter coming back from legal disputes forcing inactivity, tonight for those that aren't aware. Keep in mind this was a catchweight at 172, already a step up in weight from his SMW standard and technically a LHW contest. He's there for the pay day and a beating.

Broner - Porter all weighed in on point, that too is a catchweight WW contest, this time at 144lbs. It's also the lowest Shawn Porter has ever weighed in at so while many are picking his aggressiev and busy style to edge a close points decision, there is a risk he will be drained from the cut by fight time tonight.

Last thing - the sooner they kill off catchweight fights the better.

Agreed. Why the hell does Ward need a catchweight against Paul Smith FFS!
 
Paul Smith missed his weight by over 4lbs. He's fighting Andre Ward, former top 3 p4p fighter coming back from legal disputes forcing inactivity, tonight for those that aren't aware. Keep in mind this was a catchweight at 172, already a step up in weight from his SMW standard and technically a LHW contest. He's there for the pay day and a beating.

Broner - Porter all weighed in on point, that too is a catchweight WW contest, this time at 144lbs. It's also the lowest Shawn Porter has ever weighed in at so while many are picking his aggressiev and busy style to edge a close points decision, there is a risk he will be drained from the cut by fight time tonight.

Last thing - the sooner they kill off catchweight fights the better.

Perfect scenario for Ward's return fight really, unprofessional from Smith. Ward now 1/40 to win this :lol:.

I fancy Broner to beat Porter, but that really is a 50/50 fight.
 
Perfect scenario for Ward's return fight really, unprofessional from Smith. Ward now 1/40 to win this :lol:.

I fancy Broner to beat Porter, but that really is a 50/50 fight.

It is unprofessional but it must be hard to motivate himself knowing he pretty much won't win the fight.

I quite like Poreter so wouldn't mind him winning but I'd agree Broner will probably win, should be a good fight though.

It's all on Sky Sports for anyone who doesn't know by the way.
 
Whys Broner fighting catchweight? He fought for a world title at Porters weight ffs
 
I wish they'd get rid of catchweights tbh. If you can't fight at the weight, move up (or down) a division.
 
Whys Broner fighting catchweight? He fought for a world title at Porters weight ffs

Because he's the smaller guy naturally after stepping up to WW following an early career at Super Featherweight and Lightweight. He fought Malignaggi, a non-puncher, at WW and won. Got cocky and then lost to Maidana, a heavy puncher at WW. His last 3 fights have all been at the 140 limit of Light Welterweight / Super Lightweight.

He also knows that following the title loss, Porter wants a named opponent to get the attention back on him. Porter needs this fight more than Broner - however it's probably the best/safest fight Broner could possibly match up to in the upper classes of the division right now also. Too much risk vs Pac, Khan, Thurman, Bradley, Maidana rematch, Marquez (semi retirement) or even Garcia while even the under tier of that such as Robert Guerrrero and Frankie Gavin were tied up. Bundu, Berto and Ortiz weren't worth matching against and Lamont Peterson is too risky also after beating Garcia but getting robbed of the decision. Any advantage he could gain in the detailing of the agreement of this fight, he sought to do so. Dropping Porter down to his lowest ever weight cut was the most obvious outcome.
 
Oh speaking of Danny Garcia, he's fighting Paulie Malignaggi now on Saturday 1st August in the Barclays Centre, Brooklyn at the welterweight limit.
 
I know these triangle theories are usually nonsense but bear with me:

Broner absolutely dominated by Maidana
Maidana absolutely dominated by Devon Alexander
Porter comfortably beat Alexander

Broner SD v Paulie
Porter TKO5 v Paulie

Broner's career was made at 140 and below, usually being the much bigger guy at that weight. The one time he moved up he was humiliated by a pressure fighter in Maidana. Porter is odds against at this point and the rehydration clause has been abandoned, he is going to be 160lbs when he enters the ring and he's such a consummate pro he made 144 on the button. I'm putting the family jewels on the line and predicting Porter is going to deserve to win this fight, whether he gets the decision is another matter. I've actually been pleasantly surprised by most of the PBC judging so far but there's a lot of money in keeping Broner relevant.

If you're a betting man I think betting on the fight to go the distance is a good one, Broner took some huge shots from Maidana and still made the final bell, Porter's chin is granite. You can get 2/5.
 
Broner actually did well against Maidana when he forced the pace and the pressure too. Admittedly that was after 2 knockdowns and with the fight clearly slipping away from him in a desperate state of affairs which then dictated the shots but nonetheless I was impressed with how well he did after the 2nd knockdown - @evra

If it any stage Broner can flip the pressure back onto Porter here, and it's pretty sound to suggest they're banking on the additional weight cut to play the percentage game and help that situation along, then he could do well with it. Certainly enough to edge a contentious decision.

Agree with your logic around keeping Broner relevant. Would be nice if that didn't have any impact on the contest but you just know it will in some way. Porter seems a nice guy too and nice guys often finish last.
 
Broner actually did well against Maidana when he forced the pace and the pressure too. Admittedly that was after 2 knockdowns and with the fight clearly slipping away from him in a desperate state of affairs which then dictated the shots but nonetheless I was impressed with how well he did after the 2nd knockdown - @evra

If it any stage Broner can flip the pressure back onto Porter here, and it's pretty sound to suggest they're banking on the additional weight cut to play the percentage game and help that situation along, then he could do well with it. Certainly enough to edge a contentious decision.

Agree with your logic around keeping Broner relevant. Would be nice if that didn't have any impact on the contest but you just know it will in some way. Porter seems a nice guy too and nice guys often finish last.

The first knockdown in that fight was pretty brutal. HE did well to survive that definitely. I did think the fight had pretty clear winner though. Nothing against Broner he did well to recover but anytime he looked like building any pressure Maidana countered it and Broner couldn't keep up, it was a brilliant fight though, one of the best in the last 5 years I think.
 
In hindsight, Broner showed a lot of character in the Maidana fight. Wasn't impressed at the time, but was after I saw the trouble Maidana caused Floyd. I was less impressed by Broner's performances vs Malignaggi, Taylor and Ponce.
 
The first knockdown in that fight was pretty brutal. HE did well to survive that definitely. I did think the fight had pretty clear winner though. Nothing against Broner he did well to recover but anytime he looked like building any pressure Maidana countered it and Broner couldn't keep up, it was a brilliant fight though, one of the best in the last 5 years I think.

Agreed. Heavily influenced by a cocky little gobsh*te getting dropped and going shaky legged en route to a loss. :lol:
 
Agreed. Heavily influenced by a cocky little gobsh*te getting dropped and going shaky legged en route to a loss. :lol:

I think what sums up he's a bit of a cock is even Mayweather seems a bit embarrassed bout him in this instagram video:

https://instagram.com/p/4IL_-mAfZl/

Joshua is fighting Mariusz Wach in September apparently...probably his biggest test so far, he should win but it will go a few more rounds with Wach being able to take a punch.
 
I think what sums up he's a bit of a cock is even Mayweather seems a bit embarrassed bout him in this instagram video:

https://instagram.com/p/4IL_-mAfZl/

Joshua is fighting Mariusz Wach in September apparently...probably his biggest test so far, he should win but it will go a few more rounds with Wach being able to take a punch.

That's a good fight to be fair, his only loss is a wide UD to Wlad and given Joshua's previous opponents it's pleasing to see him fight someone who isn't shot or an Eastern European midget plumber. Certainly his biggest test, will be difficult to physically bully someone his size and with all his man strength at 32.
 
I think what sums up he's a bit of a cock is even Mayweather seems a bit embarrassed bout him in this instagram video:

https://instagram.com/p/4IL_-mAfZl/

Joshua is fighting Mariusz Wach in September apparently...probably his biggest test so far, he should win but it will go a few more rounds with Wach being able to take a punch.

Wow :lol: When Floyd is embarrassed for you, it's time to take a look in the mirror.

Not sure whether I'll bother with the Ward fight tonight, as it should be painfully one sided... Saying that, last time I said that, Wilder got hurt, so who knows. (I know - Ward won't let that happen).