The RedCafe Boxing Thread

FC Ronaldo said:
Not dismissing Gavin's credentials as a good technical boxer but I'm just relating to the similar level in the pecking order that both men are.

Gavin couldn't get past Bundu who has operated at tier 3 level at very best. Thurman under performed and still was never in danger of coming close to losing when he did try his luck higher.

Mollina got wiped out by Arreola who has fought for a world strap twice. I completely concede that the state of the division as such makes it seem harsher perhaps, especially since Arreola shouldn't be near a title shot in the first place but it is what it is.

Looking at it like that, they're similar level picks. Massive underdogs who are there for the marketability factor over the eligibility factor. UK audience for Gavin and Hispanic audience for Mollina.
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Bundu is underrated, he's made me a bit of money in the past. Underdog v Purdy and Gavin, also bet against a stoppage in the Thurman fight. I think it was a good step up for Thurman, Karass was a good opponent as well and he managed to get the TKO. Bundu is like a poor man's Mayweather - really hard to hit and quite accurate. Gavin has wins against Junior Witter and Bradley Skeete, both creditable boxers.

On Molina, per boxrec his best win by far is a UD against Tony Grano, who frankly I have never even heard of. It's an awful title bout, they could have at least put Wilder in with someone remotely deserving of a title shot.

I'm thinking about some interesting matchups coming up, what are your thoughts on:

Porter v Broner (I favour Porter but I'm looking for someone to convince me I'm wrong)

Darleys Perez v Crolla

Bradley v Vargas
 
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Oggmonster said:
Was a bit random to see Don King there thought I thought. Not seen him in a relevant boxing environment in years I don't think! What other current boxers does he have working with him?
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He was promoting Stiverne, Wilder is with Haymon.

As for Eric Molina, check out the highlights they have of him in their preview :lol:

 
Geale apparently 182lbs on the HBO scales on fight night (albeit in clothes). He was 157 for the weigh in! :eek:
 
I assume Golovkin would face the winner?

As for AJ, why is there no mention of a bout with Fury? 2 young English boxers, a fight I'm sure the UK would want to see at least
 
Igor Drefljak said:
I assume Golovkin would face the winner?

As for AJ, why is there no mention of a bout with Fury? 2 young English boxers, a fight I'm sure the UK would want to see at least
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Cotto wants Canelo first. Spoke of GGG after that.

Tyson Fury has a title shot with Wladimir Klitschko up next. No point risking it. If you meant his younger cousin Hughie Fury, he's had injury problems lately and is being eased back into the mix. Joshua is now a level above him and carries too much risk for a matchup.
 
Good stuff :) Hopefully he can string a few wins together and get another shot at Golovkin or maybe Cotto. Still sucks about the UD loss vs Martinez (total joke), but he did better against GGG than pretty much anyone else in recent years.

Any news on Froch?
 
Murray's moving up to 168. Probably have a couple of easy fights before Eddie puts him in there with Degale. I love Murray, my favourite British fighter after Tyson.
 
Kazi said:
Murray's moving up to 168. Probably have a couple of easy fights before Eddie puts him in there with Degale. I love Murray, my favourite British fighter after Tyson.
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Yeah the guy is solid. SMW is a stacked division, but there's easier belts there (as you say, Degale) than at 160 (Golovkin/Cotto), Degale, Froch, Groves, Murray all at 168 would be awesome :)
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
The Ring have removed him from their P4P ranking due to inactivity. He was supposed to have made a decision by last week.
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I saw the P4P, but yeah, I thought he'd have announced a decision by now. I guess they're just crunching numbers with GGG/Degale.
 
Froch - still no news but some insight here;

 
Cheers for that.

I'll be a bit disappointed if he doesn't fight again (especially considering the GGG fight would be a bloody amazing one), but hey, I can understand him wanting to call an end to his career. Nothing but respect for the man... Always fought the toughest opponents, has the heart of a lion, and carries himself in a much more respectable way than a lot of the gobbier boxers.

(And he fought in front of 80,000 at Wembley, dontcha know? :lol:)

Either way, good on Carl. Great boxer, cool dude.
 
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Tommy said:
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hahaha thought of the same thing!

Mayweather's next fight is the 12th September (in Vegas obviously) not decided an opponent yet though. I think Alvarez wanted to fight on that date as well which pretty much means he will have to change his date again I'd guess!
 
Agreed. Despite the size of Alvarez/Cotto, they're not going to wanna risk going up against Floyd's last fight... I wonder if he'll do extra numbers based on the fact is is his last fight.

(So he says).
 
Artur Beterbiev in arguably his least impressive performance still comes out with the TKO to keep the flawless record going.

Erislandy Lara easily outclasses Miguel Cotto's former victim, Delvin Rodriguez over the distance.

Highlights:

 
WBA (Super) World Featherweight champion, Nicholas Walters loses his title by missing weight on the scales for his fight with Miguel Marriaga. He weighed in 1.4lbs over the limit and only lost 0.4 of that within the 2 hour window. The fight goes ahead tonight as planned.
 
Britain has a new world champion - Bristol's Lee Haskins stopped the Japanese IBF World bantamweight champion, Ryosuke Iwasa in round 6.

Eddie Hearn will be rubbing his hands together to line Jamie McDonnell up for an all British title fight, champion vs champion, and a chance for McDonnell to avenge a narrow, early career loss to Haskins.
 
Tommy said:
Wilder is such a fraud :lol:
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The commentary were ridiculously biased against him. Claiming people who are as average as David Price would fancy his chances against him. Whilst he is overrated for being America's first heavyweight champion in 10years+ he obviously isn't brilliant but there's no chance the likes of Price would beat him and to suggest Joshua would fancy his chances would be suicidal. Whilst his technique is questionable he has pure knockout ability and can obviously take a punch. His speed, power and size will give him the advantage. I think Wlad would beat him easily and Povetkin would probably beat him judging on that performance.

To put it in to perspective it just 1 fight and his first defence. Nerves can play a factor in it, again I don't think Wilder is as good as has been spoken up but he's not as bad as Jim Watt for Sky made him out to be tonight.
 
Jim Watt was dead right last night @Oggmonster - everyone wants Wilder to be the real deal because it would be great for boxing if there was a decent American heavyweight. Unfortunately for boxing we're going to have to keep looking; Molina was a disgraceful pick for his first defence, an absolute bum who was knocked out in the first round when he faced Chris Arreola, Wilder with all of his "other worldly" power took 9 to get him out of there. If he fought Joshua in his next fight I'm certain he would lose, Wilder has yet to face someone his own size who isn't shot to pieces. I'm not totally convinced by Joshua but at least he looks technically decent, Wilder is a fraud.
 
evra said:
Jim Watt was dead right last night @Oggmonster - everyone wants Wilder to be the real deal because it would be great for boxing if there was a decent American heavyweight. Unfortunately for boxing we're going to have to keep looking; Molina was a disgraceful pick for his first defence, an absolute bum who was knocked out in the first round when he faced Chris Arreola, Wilder with all of his "other worldly" power took 9 to get him out of there. If he fought Joshua in his next fight I'm certain he would lose, Wilder has yet to face someone his own size who isn't shot to pieces. I'm not totally convinced by Joshua but at least he looks technically decent, Wilder is a fraud.
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He had somewhat of a point but he was massively overreacting with it, people have bad nights. It will happen with Joshua, it happened with Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield etc. In the heavyweight division where a lot of it is power people will get hit. Wilder did well to recover from that big punch in the third, he didn't go down and by the end of the round he was doing well again. Its not like he was hanging on for ages.

There's no way of proving Joshua would beat him but one thing is for certain the fight won't happen, for Joshua to get in the ring with someone who is a world champion right now would be very risky and Hearn rightfully would never happen. TO suggest people like David price would beat him is bizarre as well and was purely said because he was in the studio. I bet if Audley Harrison was there Jim Watt would be suggesting that he could beat him in a rematch.

His record is padded but he is still a world champion. Again I Agree with the statement that he's over rated but he's not as bad as people like Jim Watt are maing out. At least he brings a degree of interest to a heavyweight division that has been awful for about 10 years. With him and Joshua and also the likes of Fury it could have potential to e interesting.

It would be massively interesting if Joshua has a similar career and struggles in a fight (but it still gets stopped) I'd guarantee the likes of Sky and Jim Watt would not be as harsh as they were last night. Wilder won and isn't the only boxer to be nervous in a title defence, judging by Sky etc you'd think he was.
 
Excellent post @Oggmonster - completely agree.

Eric Molina as a picked opponent is as viable as Alex Leapai or Ray Austin for Wlad.
 
@Oggmonster

I tend to agree with you. It is too soon for Joshua and the fight won't happen for a little while at least.

I didn't see the fight but I am surprised he was nervous. One thing that strikes me about him is that he generally top level in terms of confidence. Unlike David Price!

I don't think it is unfair to say that Price would fancy his chances though. It is natural for boxers to take encouragement from seeing flaws in other fighters.

Watt has been grating on me for a while now though. He just repeats the same thing over and over. Paulie really showed him up when he co commentated.
 
Oggmonster said:
He had somewhat of a point but he was massively overreacting with it, people have bad nights. It will happen with Joshua, it happened with Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield etc. In the heavyweight division where a lot of it is power people will get hit. Wilder did well to recover from that big punch in the third, he didn't go down and by the end of the round he was doing well again. Its not like he was hanging on for ages.

There's no way of proving Joshua would beat him but one thing is for certain the fight won't happen, for Joshua to get in the ring with someone who is a world champion right now would be very risky and Hearn rightfully would never happen. TO suggest people like David price would beat him is bizarre as well and was purely said because he was in the studio. I bet if Audley Harrison was there Jim Watt would be suggesting that he could beat him in a rematch.

His record is padded but he is still a world champion. Again I Agree with the statement that he's over rated but he's not as bad as people like Jim Watt are maing out. At least he brings a degree of interest to a heavyweight division that has been awful for about 10 years. With him and Joshua and also the likes of Fury it could have potential to e interesting.

It would be massively interesting if Joshua has a similar career and struggles in a fight (but it still gets stopped) I'd guarantee the likes of Sky and Jim Watt would not be as harsh as they were last night. Wilder won and isn't the only boxer to be nervous in a title defence, judging by Sky etc you'd think he was.
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Of course they are going to herald Joshua as the second coming, he could make them fortunes. They have no reason to bash Wilder though, they're just saying what a lot of boxing fans are saying. The guy has had a very easy run at a belt, his CV is padded to the point of hilarity and it's pretty clear his technical ability is woefully lacking. If I was advising him I would be doing anything to avoid Povetkin because I'm afraid if that match was made you would see that the emperor is in fact naked.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Excellent post @Oggmonster - completely agree.

Eric Molina as a picked opponent is as viable as Alex Leapai or Ray Austin for Wlad.
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Firstly Leapai beat a very creditable opponent in Boystov, secondly I believe it was a mandatory, thirdly these were fights taken after WK had established himself as undisputably the best heavyweight around. The best win on Molina's cv by a country mile is a UD win over a guy called Tony Grano, no I haven't heard of him either.
 
Oggmonster said:
The commentary were ridiculously biased against him. Claiming people who are as average as David Price would fancy his chances against him. Whilst he is overrated for being America's first heavyweight champion in 10years+ he obviously isn't brilliant but there's no chance the likes of Price would beat him and to suggest Joshua would fancy his chances would be suicidal. Whilst his technique is questionable he has pure knockout ability and can obviously take a punch. His speed, power and size will give him the advantage. I think Wlad would beat him easily and Povetkin would probably beat him judging on that performance.

To put it in to perspective it just 1 fight and his first defence. Nerves can play a factor in it, again I don't think Wilder is as good as has been spoken up but he's not as bad as Jim Watt for Sky made him out to be tonight.
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Probably? Povetkin would murder him.
 
This fight was a joke, Molina shouldn't be anywhere near a title fight, yes Wlad fought some shit opposition but at least he's took harder fights and not fought tin cans all his career. Wilder is a mockery of a champion, paid zero dues to get to a title fight and won because his opponent came in without being 100%. He should have blasted Molina out within 3 rounds, to go 9 and almost get knocked out is awful and just shows that against a top live opponent like Povetkin he'll get found out. I'm so glad that he's got to fight povetkin as a mandatory as the belt will be back in the hands of someone who deserves it.

Would love Joshua to get Molina to be his July opponent, or maybe Stiverne. Just to show the gulf in talent between him and Wilder. Fury, Joshua, Browne would all beat him currently. People defending this joke actually frustrate me.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
@Oggmonster

I tend to agree with you. It is too soon for Joshua and the fight won't happen for a little while at least.

I didn't see the fight but I am surprised he was nervous. One thing that strikes me about him is that he generally top level in terms of confidence. Unlike David Price!

I don't think it is unfair to say that Price would fancy his chances though. It is natural for boxers to take encouragement from seeing flaws in other fighters.

Watt has been grating on me for a while now though. He just repeats the same thing over and over. Paulie really showed him up when he co commentated.
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Price to his defence didn't bother me saying he'd fancy a shot. In the pre-match he said it but even admitted he'd have to earn it. I have absolutely no problem with his confidence, even if it is very misguided. I agree with the Watt comment, he's pretty poor whenever he commentates. It seems like Sky are trying to change it up a bit. Paul Smith is doing a lot of domestic fights and Paulie seems to do the bigger ones, Sky must know Watt is coming to an end, he's awfully similar to Larry Merchant embarassing himself for about 5 years on HBO before they slowly got Kellerman in.

He seemed nervous at times, at other times he was picking his punches. IT did seem like he'd been told to be more patient or something as he was holding back where in previous fights he did explode when he had the opportunity. In the 6th (I think) round he had him in the corner and just let Molina out, he seemed a bit out of character.

evra said:
Of course they are going to herald Joshua as the second coming, he could make them fortunes. They have no reason to bash Wilder though, they're just saying what a lot of boxing fans are saying. The guy has had a very easy run at a belt, his CV is padded to the point of hilarity and it's pretty clear his technical ability is woefully lacking. If I was advising him I would be doing anything to avoid Povetkin because I'm afraid if that match was made you would see that the emperor is in fact naked.
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Joshua can make them money and probably will but so can Wilder, people will always be interested in a heavyweight especially when knocking out all his opponents. To suggest David Price and a retired Evander Holyfield would beat him is hardly brilliant marketing on Sky and in particular Jim Watt's behalf. When Watt carried on his rant at the end you could almost hear Halling wanting him to shut up.


Tommy said:
Probably? Povetkin would murder him.
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I've said he'd struggle against him but I wouldn't say he'd murder him. People are giving Wilder a hard time here. His record is padded and he doesn't look great in the ring but his speed along with his power can make up for some weaknesses. Another advantage over Joshua if people really want to compare them is that he got hit last night and didn't look troubled about 10 seconds after, people can't say the same for Joshua, he has not been hit yet by a punch like that. Again I'll pre-empt the people who will say Molina was shit, he i a poor fighter but he had a strong punch, no it's not a Wlad, Povetkin or Fury but it was still a hard punch and a lot of fighters would of been struggling for the rest of the round after that.
 
Just watched the Wilder fight. No way Haymon puts him in there with Povetkin, despite what Wilder said in the post-fight interview. I want Wilder to do well tbh, but he hasn't convinced me after that performance.
 
I don't think there can be any doubt that Povetkin, even after getting thrown around by Wlad (one of the worst displays of wrestle-boxing ever), is the most dangerous fight for any heavyweight today.

He destroyed Mike Perez in just over a minute and in spectacular KO fashion.


Price has the power, Fury the awkwardness and Joshua (and Parker) the future but Povetkin is the best without a proper belt for sure.
 
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