The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Kazi said:
Khan's physique for the Alexander fight on the left, Algieri fight on the right. Strange how he's gone so much softer.

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Lighting has probably paid a part in that to be fair. He looks a pretty similar size but just more ripped but the environment does look a lot different judging by the shadows etc.
 
Joshua looks amazing. He's the real deal. Speed and raw power, a lethal combination at that weight. Johnson is a guy who's never been stopped and even went 12 rounds with Vitali Klitschko so Johnson is no mug. Don't underestimate that performance by Joshua. The heavy weight division will be shitting bricks, reminds me of the up & coming Mike Tyson era.
 
Rams said:
Joshua looks amazing. He's the real deal. Speed and raw power, a lethal combination at that weight. Johnson is a guy who's never been stopped and even went 12 rounds with Vitali Klitschko so Johnson is no mug. Don't underestimate that performance by Joshua. The heavy weight division will be shitting bricks, reminds me of the up & coming Mike Tyson era.
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I think some of the better heavyweights won't be to worried Joshua's big test is when he inevitably gets hit and to see how he reacts to it after a few rounds. The guy is hugely promising but he haasnt been tested at all. I'm sure he'll fight some better quality fighters soon but Hearn will want to milk the knockout in 1/2 round thing whilst it's still got some novelty value behind it.



Just watched this interview with Froch. I'm in 2 minds about him, I respect the fact he's honest "Ward would probably beat me on points" but the rest of it is so absurd it's funny referring to himself in 3rd person, slags off Calzaghe for giving him shit behind his back and being nice to his face....just before doing the exact same thing with Frankie Gavin!
 
Oggmonster said:
I think some of the better heavyweights won't be to worried Joshua's big test is when he inevitably gets hit and to see how he reacts to it after a few rounds. The guy is hugely promising but he haasnt been tested at all. I'm sure he'll fight some better quality fighters soon but Hearn will want to milk the knockout in 1/2 round thing whilst it's still got some novelty value behind it.



Just watched this interview with Froch. I'm in 2 minds about him, I respect the fact he's honest "Ward would probably beat me on points" but the rest of it is so absurd it's funny referring to himself in 3rd person, slags off Calzaghe for giving him shit behind his back and being nice to his face....just before doing the exact same thing with Frankie Gavin!
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He regards Golovkin as a more difficult bout than DeGale... Interesting. Not surprising, though. I agree with him that DeGale is an easy fight.

But yeah, respect to him for accepting Ward would beat him.
 
Oggmonster said:


Khan making out Brook is taking PEDs here. Guess the fight won't be happening any time soon...
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That tweet is in relation to Kid Galahad who is obviously very closely connected to Kell given they grew up a few miles apart.
 
Oggmonster said:
I think some of the better heavyweights won't be to worried Joshua's big test is when he inevitably gets hit and to see how he reacts to it after a few rounds. The guy is hugely promising but he haasnt been tested at all. I'm sure he'll fight some better quality fighters soon but Hearn will want to milk the knockout in 1/2 round thing whilst it's still got some novelty value behind it.



Just watched this interview with Froch. I'm in 2 minds about him, I respect the fact he's honest "Ward would probably beat me on points" but the rest of it is so absurd it's funny referring to himself in 3rd person, slags off Calzaghe for giving him shit behind his back and being nice to his face....just before doing the exact same thing with Frankie Gavin!
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I would love to see Froch Vs Ward, but Froch is dreaming if he thinks he stands a chance of winning that IMO.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
That tweet is in relation to Kid Galahad who is obviously very closely connected to Kell given they grew up a few miles apart.
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Use the same gym as well I think? Brook does have the physique of someone who would perhaps be juicing in fairness, especially during and after fights (usually fighters look like he does at a weigh in, not during a fight!)

Rolandofgilead said:
I would love to see Froch Vs Ward, but Froch is dreaming if he thinks he stands a chance of winning that IMO.
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In fairness to him he does seem quite modest about his chanceso f winning, basically says he'd lose unless it was a knock out which is a fair statement.
 
Rams said:
Joshua looks amazing. He's the real deal. Speed and raw power, a lethal combination at that weight. Johnson is a guy who's never been stopped and even went 12 rounds with Vitali Klitschko so Johnson is no mug. Don't underestimate that performance by Joshua. The heavy weight division will be shitting bricks, reminds me of the up & coming Mike Tyson era.
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He is shot to pieces, they timed the fight very well. I think a fight against David Price would be very interesting and revealing, Price is a better boxer than Joshua but obviously has a suspect chin. Still it would be great to see Joshua fight a heavyweight that he doesn't dwarf.
 
@Oggmonster - these comments are also from a man that worked with Alex Ariza mind.

Tbh I think all of them bend the rules as far as they can.
 
evra said:
Price is a better boxer than Joshua but obviously has a suspect chin. Still it would be great to see Joshua fight a heavyweight that he doesn't dwarf.
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How do you work that out? We haven't seen Joshua's boxing ability tested in the pros but in the amateurs Joshua won his gold against Cammarelle who crushed Price at the 2008 Olympics, fight stopped after Price lost a 10:1 round.

You don't win an Olympic gold without boxing ability.
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
How do you work that out? We haven't seen Joshua's boxing ability tested in the pros but in the amateurs Joshua won his gold against Cammarelle who crushed Price at the 2008 Olympics, fight stopped after Price lost a 10:1 round.

You don't win an Olympic gold without boxing ability.
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Agreed.

You don't exactly have to show off many boxing skills when you can blast people away inside 3 rounds but when he starts coming up against better opponents people will see he has plenty of boxing skills.
 
Sky trying to put pressure on Amir here, guess who gets the ppv if the fight goes ahead?
Leave Amir alone!
 
Don't know why Sky are pushing hard for it now. The fight can only become bigger in the next year or two, unless Bam Bam Rios destroys Brook or something. They can put Floyd-Khan on ppv anyway.
 
Kazi said:
Don't know why Sky are pushing hard for it now. The fight can only become bigger in the next year or two, unless Bam Bam Rios destroys Brook or something. They can put Floyd-Khan on ppv anyway.
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Or if they think Khan loses. IF Khan gets the Mayweather fight and loses as people expect him to then some of the aura of him and fighting Brook probably disappears to. Brook is also a big welterweight, the only interesting fights he has left in the division are Mayweather and Khan and there's no chance he's getting Mayweather. There's rumours he'll move up in weight in the next few years so it's pretty much now or never with regards to Khan.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
How do you work that out? We haven't seen Joshua's boxing ability tested in the pros but in the amateurs Joshua won his gold against Cammarelle who crushed Price at the 2008 Olympics, fight stopped after Price lost a 10:1 round.

You don't win an Olympic gold without boxing ability.
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Price has a suspect chin and doesn't have the power of Joshua but I think he's a better mover and has faster hands. As for Joshua's gold medal. anyone who watched Erislandy Savon vs Joshua knows that he should have been eliminated in the first round, that was some pretty shameful home cooking. Regardless, talking about amateur boxing is pretty pointless really as it's a very different game. I mean Price beat Fury in the amateurs but I think he would lose handily if they fought in the pro game (hopefully they will). Joshua does have boxing ability but you have to remember that he only took this sport up seriously quite recently, personally I think he looks quite raw (although he looks like Willie Pep compared to the hype-job Wilder).

I don't mean to downplay Joshua's talents but all this talk of Tyson is pretty laughable, K Johnson is the only decent boxer on his inflated resume and he has looked a shadow of his former self in his last couple of fights, plus he is barely 6'3'. I need to see Joshua up against a top 15, > 6'4' heavyweight who isn't at the end of his career. Someone like Pulev would be an interesting fight. I'm even hearing people talking about him as ready to step up to the elite level, I'm absolutely convinced that someone like Povetkin would beat Joshua at this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if he stopped him.
 
Oggmonster said:
Or if they think Khan loses. IF Khan gets the Mayweather fight and loses as people expect him to then some of the aura of him and fighting Brook probably disappears to. Brook is also a big welterweight, the only interesting fights he has left in the division are Mayweather and Khan and there's no chance he's getting Mayweather. There's rumours he'll move up in weight in the next few years so it's pretty much now or never with regards to Khan.
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I don't think Khan really loses any stock by losing to Floyd, unless he gets absolutely humiliated, which I don't see happening. Mayweather shut-out Canelo but Canelo has headlined two PPVs since. I think there are a lot of interesting fights for Brook at 147. But he has to travel to the US for them, something which Hearn isn't willing for him to do, cause he'd be unable to put it on UK PPV. Unless he gets the Khan fight, Hearn's PPV motives will continue to hold back Brook. Khan and Haymon know this, which is why Haymon won't send any of his fighters to the UK to fight Brook. And Haymon pretty much owns the welterweight division.

Wrt Price, I watched his last fight and he looked absolutely horrible. Shot of all confidence.
 
Kazi said:
I don't think Khan really loses any stock by losing to Floyd, unless he gets absolutely humiliated, which I don't see happening. Mayweather shut-out Canelo but Canelo has headlined two PPVs since. I think there are a lot of interesting fights for Brook at 147. But he has to travel to the US for them, something which Hearn isn't willing for him to do, cause he'd be unable to put it on UK PPV. Unless he gets the Khan fight, Hearn's PPV motives will continue to hold back Brook. Khan and Haymon know this, which is why Haymon won't send any of his fighters to the UK to fight Brook. And Haymon pretty much owns the welterweight division.

Wrt Price, I watched his last fight and he looked absolutely horrible. Shot of all confidence.
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Canelo's record pre-Mayweather was 42-0 (with 1 draw) and he was either knocking fighters out or beating them convincingly. Since that fight he's knocked 2 of his opponents out and won a tricky fight against Lara. He's a hugely exciting fighter and can get PPV views...the advantage in the US is that he's Mexican as well so he brings in that audience, he's their best, most exciting active fighter. Khan doesn't have any of that going for him, he's currently 31-3 and has 2 huge knock out losses. His last 4 fights have gone to points and all 4 of them have been pretty dull since his switch to Virgil Hunter he has lost the attacking edge somewhat. If he was to lose to Mayweather in a similar fashion to Pacquiao his record would be 31-4 with no knockout wins in 4 years. The American audience will soon switch off (he doesn't sell out fights anyway) and his stock would lower. If he fought and lost to Mayweather then his only other viable option to quickly get his career back on track is to fight Brook as it's probably the only fight that would generate much interest in him really, especially on a PPV front. I think most decisions in Khan's career are make or break now, I mentioned the same a few pages ago. He just seems to be in a weird position rather than everyone else. People will pay to see Mayweather or Pacquaio on name alone, Brook is hugely popular in the UK so pretty much will always fight here and the same applies for the likes of Thurman, Bradley etc in the US. Khan is an English fighter who mainly fights in America, they'll soon forget about him if he loses many fights.

Agree on Price, don't think he'll ever really recover much in terms of career from that. Probably be a decent UK Level fighter, I'd imagine he'll be fed to Joshua in a few years time if they both carry on the way they are.
 
evra said:
Price has a suspect chin and doesn't have the power of Joshua but I think he's a better mover and has faster hands. As for Joshua's gold medal. anyone who watched Erislandy Savon vs Joshua knows that he should have been eliminated in the first round, that was some pretty shameful home cooking. Regardless, talking about amateur boxing is pretty pointless really as it's a very different game. I mean Price beat Fury in the amateurs but I think he would lose handily if they fought in the pro game (hopefully they will). Joshua does have boxing ability but you have to remember that he only took this sport up seriously quite recently, personally I think he looks quite raw (although he looks like Willie Pep compared to the hype-job Wilder).
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The amateur game is about technical ability and point scoring. You need to be able to box well to win an Olympic gold. To beat a highly decorated amateur like Cammarelle to win that gold is impressive. OK it was a close fight but still.

Professional boxing brings power, durability and heart to the forefront of things. Joshua certainly has awesome power. The question for me is if he can take a shot. We need to find that out. I think that Price is a good next step for him. I think that Price is mentally soft as well as being chinny. I think that he would be very worried about facing AJ and it would be an easy win for AJ.
 
AJ would beat Price, Wilder, Chisora and that Dillian Whyte easily right now. Yes the first two may have a good right hand but the overall ability of AJ i think would limit the amount of shots they'd be able to get off clean. Chisora and Whyte would be over within 4 rounds.
 
Adcuth said:
AJ would beat Price, Wilder, Chisora and that Dillian Whyte easily right now. Yes the first two may have a good right hand but the overall ability of AJ i think would limit the amount of shots they'd be able to get off clean. Chisora and Whyte would be over within 4 rounds.
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Del Boy might be a good call for his next fight. A durable customer with decent skills but not too much power.
 
evra said:
Price has a suspect chin and doesn't have the power of Joshua but I think he's a better mover and has faster hands.
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FWIW, as a small aside point, I disagree with everything after suspect chin in the quoted bit. Think Price's right hand is up there in contention with one of the hardest punches in boxing today. Joshua cannot match that for single punch power but what he can do is deliver 2 very heavy blows in the time it takes Price to throw his right. Speed in footwork and fists from both hands lies with Joshua by a country mile for me too. Intelligence and awareness helps that. Think Price is incredibly cumbersome, even now and I'd actually say Fury is quicker than him too.

The rest of your post I agree with tbh. Think Pulev may be too soon just yet but certainly Chisora, Hammer or someone like Solis or Malik as while very technical fighters on paper they both lack heart for a fight. That bracket would be my next pick. Keep him on the educational curve against fairly one dimensional fighters before stepping up into the riskier level of 10-5 ranked fighters.
 
Cheers for the vids lads. Will keep me entertained for a bit :)
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Deontay Wilder: All Access

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Good video that. I do like Wilder though, seems quite humble despite his "Bomb Squad" persona thing. Hope he continues to build on what has been a good career. IT does seem set up for him vs Joshua at some point in the future, but no point getting ahead of ourselves yet!

Was a bit random to see Don King there thought I thought. Not seen him in a relevant boxing environment in years I don't think! What other current boxers does he have working with him?

evra said:
That title defence is absolutely laughable, Molina is a pathetic opponent.
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Its not the best I agree but its his first defence and a homecoming fight, always going to play it safe, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt this time.
 
evra said:
That title defence is absolutely laughable, Molina is a pathetic opponent.
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Fills the Hispanic audience over there though.

About as credible as Frankie Gavin's contest with Kell Brook though. Both poor.

The kiwi version of Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker fights next week too. Should be worth keeping an eye on.

Robert Guerrero and vic Darchiniyan both fight this weekend. As does Cotto vs Daniel Geale.
 
Geale is going to be so drained for the Cotto fight. Was 10 pounds over with a week to go.
 
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Geale is going to be so drained for the Cotto fight. Was 10 pounds over with a week to go.
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According to his manager he faces no fine if he comes in over the catchweight, in theory he might as well weigh in at 160 and nothing can happen to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Geale won it, Cotto is obviously favourite but really do question his motivation these days. He's picking on paper easy fights to retire with.
 
Oggmonster said:
According to his manager he faces no fine if he comes in over the catchweight, in theory he might as well weigh in at 160 and nothing can happen to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Geale won it, Cotto is obviously favourite but really do question his motivation these days. He's picking on paper easy fights to retire with.
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I've been reading how Cotto said he'll pull out the fight if Geale comes in overweight.

Perhaps taking it easy before his final payday with Canelo.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Fills the Hispanic audience over there though.

About as credible as Frankie Gavin's contest with Kell Brook though. Both poor.

The kiwi version of Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker fights next week too. Should be worth keeping an eye on.

Robert Guerrero and vic Darchiniyan both fight this weekend. As does Cotto vs Daniel Geale.
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I think that's very harsh on Gavin, he's a good boxer. I'm inclined to give champions some leeway in their first defence but his whole cv is juiced. I'd love to hear of a heavyweight belt holder in history that has less talent on their cv.
 
evra said:
I think that's very harsh on Gavin, he's a good boxer. I'm inclined to give champions some leeway in their first defence but his whole cv is juiced. I'd love to hear of a heavyweight belt holder in history that has less talent on their cv.
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Not dismissing Gavin's credentials as a good technical boxer but I'm just relating to the similar level in the pecking order that both men are.

Gavin couldn't get past Bundu who has operated at tier 3 level at very best. Thurman under performed and still was never in danger of coming close to losing when he did try his luck higher.

Mollina got wiped out by Arreola who has fought for a world strap twice. I completely concede that the state of the division as such makes it seem harsher perhaps, especially since Arreola shouldn't be near a title shot in the first place but it is what it is.

Looking at it like that, they're similar level picks. Massive underdogs who are there for the marketability factor over the eligibility factor. UK audience for Gavin and Hispanic audience for Mollina.
 
Fully expect Cotto to annihilate Geale.
 
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