The RedCafe Boxing Thread

They were audible, almost sounded like slaps, that's a good sign. Hopefully that fight gets made, I would still back Frampton but that performance last night has put an element of doubt in my mind. It looks like Rigo and Santa Cruz (the other super bantamweight world champions) are going to be matched up, that's the "real quiz". Frampton and Quigg are miles away from their level, especially Rigondeaux, who's probably the best technical boxer in the world.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Will they ever fight ?
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I think there's a chance, but I'd rather it didn't happen now. I think Floyd wins easy. Rather he's remembered as the man who dodged Manny than the undoubtedly best of the generation (he still is, but he's never let himself prove it). Heck, even five years ago I'm fairly certain Floyd would have won. Now, I think a rematch with Canelo is more likely. After Canelo kills Cotto in the Spring, Floyd-Canelo II would generate close to the amount of PPV buys as Floyd-Manny.
 
Thanks. I knew Manny had dropped off but has he dropped off that much that it would now be a easy win for Floyd ?
 
BigDunc9 said:
Thanks. I knew Manny had dropped off but has he dropped off that much that it would now be a easy win for Floyd ?
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Manny these days is more distracted by his politics. Also with time, it's inevitable his explosiveness drops off. Mayweather doesn't do risk. I guess that this fight will never happen- why would he risk all that he has built up. Shame, but overall he has been the best, and by some distance. It's all very well being a warrior, but what use is it when you can't hit what is in front of you i.e Mayweather
 
pocco said:
I don't get why it's one or the other. Completely different fighters and I can appreciate what they both bring to the table. Mayweather is unbelievable defensively though. He does things that 99% of boxers can't do.
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Agreed, I can appreciate the defensive skills of boxers like Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Wlad and Hopkins. All find ways of avoiding being hit, I actually think that Rigo probably relies less on referee protection and outright fouling. He looks a more skilful boxer in all departments than Mayweather, unfortunately he is quite tedious to watch as well!
 
FM is great at running away in and out of the ring. Says he is ready to fight Pac Man but we all know he dodged Paquiao when the filipino was at his peak and even now I expect FM to demand that he personally frisks Pacman's wife if the fight is to happen. He is such a clown who picks his fighters which is what is wrong with boxing. The best fights are sometimes missed because the boxers have too much damn power.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
FM is great at running away in and out of the ring. Says he is ready to fight Pac Man but we all know he dodged Paquiao when the filipino was at his peak and even now I expect FM to demand that he personally frisks Pacman's wife if the fight is to happen. He is such a clown who picks his fighters which is what is wrong with boxing. The best fights are sometimes missed because the boxers have too much damn power.
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He's already pulling his standard move; pretend you want the fight, then make the conditions so ridiculous that it's never going to happen. His referee, a ridiculous split, masses of intrusive drug testing for his opponent, none for him, his promoter, his channel etc. It's clear that given Pac's masterclass against a pfp top 10 guy (Bradley), and Mayweather's struggles against a guy who was outclassed by Devon Alexander, that Pacquiao is the real P4P king. It would be fantastic to have the fight to prove it though!
 
evra said:
He's already pulling his standard move; pretend you want the fight, then make the conditions so ridiculous that it's never going to happen. His referee, a ridiculous split, masses of intrusive drug testing for his opponent, none for him, his promoter, his channel etc. It's clear that given Pac's masterclass against a pfp top 10 guy (Bradley), and Mayweather's struggles against a guy who was outclassed by Devon Alexander, that Pacquiao is the real P4P king. It would be fantastic to have the fight to prove it though!
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I would feel much more comfortable with Paq winning in the past but now, as a political figure, I dont think his head is in it as much which is why I'm pissed at FM wanting the fight now and not back then when politics was still present in Paq's life, but not as dominantly.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I would feel much more comfortable with Paq winning in the past but now, as a political figure, I dont think his head is in it as much which is why I'm pissed at FM wanting the fight now and not back then when politics was still present in Paq's life, but not as dominantly.
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I can see the logic behind that, although I still don't believe that Mayweather wants the fight now, in spite of what he says. I just think that if Pac's head wasn't in the game, how could he beat Tim Bradley so easily? Hitherto he was widely considered a p4p top 5 guy. I mean I don't think there's any question that Bradley beats Maidana 9 times out of 10.
 
I don't go along with all this Floyd dodged Manny who wanted the fight so badly, for me there is a huge amount of blame for everyone that this fight never took place and at least just as much blame is with pacquiao as he thought up some pretty piss poor excuses back in the day. Also promoters like Bob Arum never helped.
 
evra said:
Agreed, I can appreciate the defensive skills of boxers like Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Wlad and Hopkins. All find ways of avoiding being hit, I actually think that Rigo probably relies less on referee protection and outright fouling. He looks a more skilful boxer in all departments than Mayweather, unfortunately he is quite tedious to watch as well!
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Rigo is probably my favourite boxer. I think he's unbelievably good. I don't find him too tedious but he is better off when he's in with a dangerous fighter like Donaire, even though you know they won't get near him. It just adds to his performance knowing that he's taking the piss out of someone that is dismantling others.
 
Widnes said:
I don't go along with all this Floyd dodged Manny who wanted the fight so badly, for me there is a huge amount of blame for everyone that this fight never took place and at least just as much blame is with pacquiao as he thought up some pretty piss poor excuses back in the day. Also promoters like Bob Arum never helped.
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I think the fight not happening is 90% on Bob Arum
 
The biggest tragedy since i have been following sport that them 2 never got to fight back in 09. Scandalous really.
 
pocco said:
Rigo is probably my favourite boxer. I think he's unbelievably good. I don't find him too tedious but he is better off when he's in with a dangerous fighter like Donaire, even though you know they won't get near him. It just adds to his performance knowing that he's taking the piss out of someone that is dismantling others.
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I hope they make the Santa Cruz fight happen, I think that's the best challenge out there for him at the moment. I wouldn't mind seeing a Donaire rematch as well; he is a great boxer and I don't think he did himself justice that night. I'm not saying he would win, but I think he could make it more competitive.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I think the fight not happening is 90% on Bob Arum
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It's just a line fed from the Mayweather camp, Arum would make a fortune if the fight went ahead and he is a real businessman; he wouldn't let all this personal nonsense get in the way of making this huge fight. The unfortunate truth is that Mayweather is a bad ambassador for this great sport, he values his "0" so highly that he is never willing to take a risk.
 
Why the feck has Groves got his earphones back round his neck while waiting for the decision? Looks ridiculous. Solid fight from Groves against a tough but limited opponent. Rebrasse isn't exactly exciting, but credit to him, he is a hard guy and has a hell of a chin.
 
Jippy said:
Why the feck has Groves got his earphones back round his neck while waiting for the decision? Looks ridiculous. Solid fight from Groves against a tough but limited opponent. Rebrasse isn't exactly exciting, but credit to him, he is a hard guy and has a hell of a chin.
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Product marketing. He has them on in every appearance pre and post fight. Has done for years.

Thought Groves' punch volume was impressive if nothing else. Tough to gauge the power of the shots accurately, Rebrasse could have an iron chin but very few Groves bombs actually landed cleanly. Rebrasse's relatively basic high guard was extremely effective at limiting those power shots hitting him. I felt Groves should have acknowledged this more and really worked the body more to lower that guard in the latter rounds. I fully understand that the first 7-8 rounds he should establish a winning margin lead in the fight because after all, you have to clearly outscore a champion to win on points.

All in all, it was apparent from the 3rd round onwards, it would be a tough fight for Groves to look good in. He got the win, that's all that counts. Well done to him. In the first 6 rounds he has unbelievable power and most fights he's in should be exciting. It's good for British boxing that a young, still confident fighter is back in the mix.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Product marketing. He has them on in every appearance pre and post fight. Has done for years.

Thought Groves' punch volume was impressive if nothing else. Tough to gauge the power of the shots accurately, Rebrasse could have an iron chin but very few Groves bombs actually landed cleanly. Rebrasse's relatively basic high guard was extremely effective at limiting those power shots hitting him. I felt Groves should have acknowledged this more and really worked the body more to lower that guard in the latter rounds. I fully understand that the first 7-8 rounds he should establish a winning margin lead in the fight because after all, you have to clearly outscore a champion to win on points.

All in all, it was apparent from the 3rd round onwards, it would be a tough fight for Groves to look good in. He got the win, that's all that counts. Well done to him. In the first 6 rounds he has unbelievable power and most fights he's in should be exciting. It's good for British boxing that a young, still confident fighter is back in the mix.
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Ah, sponsored by Beats. Yep agree with all of that. It is hard to judge Groves from that fight, although he was professional and disciplined with a great work rate, like you said. Equally with the Froch fights- he obviously edged the first one but was unlucky and got clocked in the second one- does make you think he has at least a semi-suspect chin though.
 
I was most impressed by Groves' stamina last night. Didn't think he'd be able to keep the pressure on towards the back half of the fight but he did okay. Want to see him fight Kessler in all honesty.
 
Jippy said:
Ah, sponsored by Beats. Yep agree with all of that. It is hard to judge Groves from that fight, although he was professional and disciplined with a great work rate, like you said. Equally with the Froch fights- he obviously edged the first one but was unlucky and got clocked in the second one- does make you think he has at least a semi-suspect chin though.
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Absolutely. Rumours he traded knockdowns with Golovkin in sparring too. I know Golovkin is a middleweight but it shows Groves has immense power too. The shot Froch landed on him would have put a lot of heavyweights to sleep. Groves' chin is suspect but the best thing he can do to protect that is increase his fitness. The more fatigued you are, the less likely you are to take a good punch well. He has that Amir Khan-like tendency to always fire back when he's been clocked too. If it's later in a fight, his punches clearly lose their power and top level fighters can start to take them more, thus leaving himself wide open for another hurtful blow. Makes for an exciting fight.

Interested to see how Paul Smith does against Arthur Abraham next week. Smith has shown he can be KTFO'd, Abraham has the power certainly to do it but Abraham has also shown he is a shell of the man that entered the Super 6 and fought Froch. Could be the perfect timing for Smith to make it another British World Champion.
 


Would take it with a pinch of salt now that Ariza has joined Floyd, but still worth a watch.
 
Is Paul Smith's title bout on UK TV does anyone know?
 
On SS2 now for anyone interested. Not sure when the Smith right itself is on. Presume around 9:30-10.
 
I think Abraham could prove a step too much for Smith. He has never struck me as anything other than average at best, like a lot of the fighters coming out of the Gallagher gym. They only had Macklin who was a bit of class and he upped and left as well and has only come back because of Jamie Moore's problems. Eddie Hearn has done well to get him this fight really.
 
shabz said:
I think Abraham could prove a step too much for Smith.
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Yep, logic says even on Abraham's bad days (and there's been a few of them lately!) he should be able to land a big enough punch to knock Smith senseless at some stage of a 12 round fight. I can see Smith moving well and looking to work him from outside but getting caught eventually. Groves showed him the formula to end Smith's night already.
 
What an awful decision, I had it a draw but to give it Abraham by 6 rounds and 10 rounds is a disgrace. Why would you even want to go and box in Germany?
 
Paul Smith got robbed of a fairly scored fight. To be judged 117-111 twice and 119-109 in that fight is sadly another classic episode of a poor showing for the sport of boxing. Smith could easily be argued as winning by 2 or 3 rounds. He comfortably won 5 of the last 6 rounds alone and the first 6 weren't dominantly won by Abraham either.
 
Cleverly vs Bellew 2 on Sky Box Office, are they out of their mind? It would be a push for some people to watch this on Sky Sports let alone paying £15-£20 to watch it on Pay-Per-View.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Paul Smith got robbed of a fairly scored fight. To be judged 117-111 twice and 119-109 in that fight is sadly another classic episode of a poor showing for the sport of boxing. Smith could easily be argued as winning by 2 or 3 rounds. He comfortably won 5 of the last 6 rounds alone and the first 6 weren't dominantly won by Abraham either.
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Only caught up with this fight last night. Truly shocking stuff from the judges.

I believe its been investigated as well. Not that anything will be done.

Shit like that is killing boxing.
 
I don't think you can argue majorly against the Smith result, it was a close fight, but the margins were a disgrace and heads should roll on the judging panel.
 
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