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Heavyweight contender David Haye has vowed to retire by the age of 30. He doesn't want to become like Oscar De La Hoya or Bernard Hopkins. Haye says the both of them have fought well beyond their best years. Haye, at age 28, face IBF/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko on June 20 in Germany. He wants to beat both Klitschko brothers and walk away from the sport on top like his idol Lennox Lewis. Haye plans to focus his future energy on his company, Hayemaker Promotions.

"I have to look at the big picture even though I'll miss going into an arena putting on a show for everybody and getting them riled up. That buzz you get in the ring after a fight cannot be beaten. But I always said I will retire at 30 because it means I will have been boxing for 20 years," Haye told Sport of the World.

"When I win these next two fights I will squeeze in another couple of defences before bowing out.Oscar de la Hoya said he would quit at 30, but went on too long. Bernard Hopkins swore on his mother's death bed he wouldn't box past 40. He is still looking for a big fight. Boxers say it time and time again, but I have never seen one do it apart from Lennox Lewis and maybe he had a couple fights too many. I will be one of the few who actually does it."

Beating the Klitschkos will be the final achievements of Haye's career.

"After I hammer these Klitschkos I'll be undisputed heavyweight champion and all my goals achieved. Everyone says I won't quit so young, but I will," Haye said.
 
I doubt he'll beat either of the Klitschkos tbh. He's fairly slick and quite good on his feet for a big guy, but he's far too easy to hit. He keeps his left hand alarmingly low, and unless he shakes off the habit, guys like Wlad and Vitali shouldn't have too much trouble getting through.

Hope I'm wrong, mind, cos the heavyweight division is seriously devoid of energy and interest at the moment... a Haye victory would really shake things up a bit.
 
Unbeaten heavyweight giant Tyson Fury (6-0, 6KOs) is already taking a look at some of the established names in the heavyweight division. The UK-based prospect is making a name for himself with his quick knockouts and his very entertaining trash-talking nature. One fighter he sees as a good test is veteran and former heavyweight champion Oliver McCall.

"He's a good, strong man, he's never really been knocked out but I don't know what [promoter] Mick [Hennessy] would say. Someone like that would be perfect. He's dangerous so you'd have to keep on your toes," Fury told UK outlet Boxing News.

Two other names on his mind are former champions Sam Peter and Hasim Rahman. Fury says that Peter is made to order. He appears very confident of putting a beating on Peter even if the fight was made tomorrow.

"Do you know who'd be a good man for me to fight right now? You'll think I'm joking – Sam Peter. He's made to measure. He's a big swinger and I guarantee my straight punches would smash him to pieces. But Mick says I need building up a bit more before fights like that. When I'm 15-0 a fight against a Peter or a Hasim Rahman would sell out the MEN [Arena]," Fury said.
 
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Haye/Klitschkon fight off

According to a report on Setanta Sports, David Haye has been forced to withdraw from his proposed heavyweight title clash with IBF/WBO champion Wladimir Klitschko, scheduled for June 20 at in Germany. Haye suffered some form of a hand injury during training camp. The event was very hot and between 60 to 70 thousands fans were expected. Setanta notes that a medical examination will be conducted to see how bad the injury is and when the fight can be rescheduled.
 
CLK_FPC said:
According to a report on Setanta Sports, David Haye has been forced to withdraw from his proposed heavyweight title clash with IBF/WBO champion Wladimir Klitschko, scheduled for June 20 at in Germany. Haye suffered some form of a hand injury during training camp. The event was very hot and between 60 to 70 thousands fans were expected. Setanta notes that a medical examination will be conducted to see how bad the injury is and when the fight can be rescheduled.
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Just about to post that. feck sake, gutted.
 
feck sake if true.

Cool pictures CLK, I hope you told Duke he is the fecking man.
 
Haye refuses to throw in the towel!!!

DAVID HAYE will fly to London for intensive treatment on a back injury — in a bid to salvage his world title fight against Wladimir Klitschko.

The heavyweight's crack at Klitschko's IBF and WBO titles was due to take place on June 20 in Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

But Haye has been forced to pull out after picking up a back problem while training in Cyprus.

And he is now hoping to persuade Klitschko to delay the showdown by three or four weeks.

Haye's manager Adam Booth said: "We were contractually obliged to tell Klitschko of David's injury as soon as it occurred.

"We are hoping they will agree to a slight postponement as this is the world title fight thousands of fans want to see and not Klitschko in action against a substitute opponent."

Haye, 28, will see a back specialist but Klitschko is already looking at three opponents to step in as the 28-year-old's replacement.

Ruslan Chagaev is the favourite as his world title fight against Nikolay Valuev was called off last week when he did not come through a medical in Helsinki, where the clash was due to take place.

Chagaev failed a blood test but would have been passed fit to fight almost anywhere else in the world.
 
Froch seeks Bute or Hopkins in September

WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch say his next fight will take place in September and if he doesn't get a unification bout with Lucian Bute, the IBF champion, then he will face Bernard Hopkins. Bute is still the frontrunner, but Hopkins is the secondary choice for the potential return date of September 5.

"It will probably be Bute but if we can do a deal with Hopkins he is someone I would love to fight," said Froch to BBC Sport. "The next fight will probably be in September we're looking for the fifth but nothing has been set in stone yet. It will be Lucian Bute or Bernard Hopkins, who is an American legend. If that's the fight that can be made then that's one I'll go for."

The Bute fight happens the bout will take place in England, and Froch has no issue about traveling to fight Hopkins in the bright lights of Las Vegas.

"If it's Bute it will be in England, if it's Hopkins it will be in Las Vegas. I'm at the top of the game now," Froch said. "I'm world champion - I fought a great fight against Jermain Taylor and it's been acknowledged I'm a serious operator."

"I've been away for a week but other than that I've just been relaxing my bones and muscles and having a bit of a breather after 12 weeks of training. The rest is important so that is what I've been doing. Physically it takes a lot out of you but mentally too. It's very demanding.
 
Rex “Wakee” Salud, One of Manny Pacquiao’s advisers, says the Filipino fighter should not agree to meet Shane Mosley at a catch-weight of 144-pounds. At 144, Salud says Pacquiao would be at a very big disadvantage. He says the fight should take place at 142 or 143 at most.

“Manny may be too small for Mosley if he agrees to fight at 144 pounds. We may end up short-changed," Salud said to the Philippine Star. “It’s Mosley who needs Manny so he should agree to what Freddie Roach wants and that’s 142. Or at least, maybe they can make 143. But not 144. That’s Manny’s comfort zone, to weigh in at 138, 140 or 142-pounds. If he agrees to 144, that will give Mosley all the comfort he needs."

Former champion Gerry Penalosa agreed with Salud, telling the paper that Mosley might be too much to handle at 144-pounds.

“Manny may have a very difficult time with Mosley at 144,” said Penalosa. [Mosley] might squeeze himself a bit to make weight but can easily recover."
 
Mosley is too much for Pac. I don't believe for a minute Roach will agree to it.

Anyone up for Cotto/Clottey tonight?
 
Yeah I'm looking forward to tonight's boxing, will be interesting to see how much the Margarito fight took out of Cotto. Still think he'll win but I don't think he's as much of a favourite as the bookies are making out. Should be a tough fight.

Will be good to see a bit of more of Matt Korobov too... definitely one to watch. Potentially an elite fighter in the making IMO, he looks class from the few fights I've seen of his.

Haven't got Setanta where I am tho', it's gonna be a fecking ballache and a half trying to find a good stream. If anyone comes across anything, send me a PM and I will be eternally grateful...
 
As a mug who pays for Setanta, I don't think I'll be able to help you out with a stream. :(

I do agree with you that this will be a tough fight for Cotto. Clottey is a tough bastard, but if I had to pick, I would go with a Cotto UD.

Looking forward to it.
 
You're a letdown Lance, but don't worry, I won't hold it against you.

I reckon I'll probably end up missing the undercard tho. That coupled with the fact that I've run out of weed, almost finished my beer and my spectacularly bad heartburn won't allow me to finish the curry I ordered before makes this a less entertaining night than I had in mind.

Cotto vs. Clottey doesn't even start for another 3 hours either! Ah well, always got my trusty cigs.
 
mr.suave said:
You're a letdown Lance, but don't worry, I won't hold it against you.

I reckon I'll probably end up missing the undercard tho. That coupled with the fact that I've run out of weed, almost finished my beer and my spectacularly bad heartburn won't allow me to finish the curry I ordered before makes this a less entertaining night than I had in mind.

Cotto vs. Clottey doesn't even start for another 3 hours either! Ah well, always got my trusty cigs.
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They should have it.

http://www.justin.tv/
 
Engrossing fight in the end, and probably a fair decision,

Fair play to both of them for struggling on with their respective injuries, Clottey was completely immoblised for the best part of two rounds and Cotto's cut was obviously giving him a shitload of grief. True warriors.

Looked like Cotto might even be able to knock him out when he had him in the corner for a full round, but Clottey answered back immediately and took the next round comfortably. The fight started looking eerily similar to Margarito-Cotto from then on, and it was there for Clottey to take if he'd kept throwing punches in the 11th and 12th. Cotto got the job done tho, good on him because he's one of my favourite fighters.

Would love to see him fight either Mayweather or Pacquiao now... Pac in particular. Their styles would blend really well IMO but it won't happen unless Cotto can get down to 140, which I'm not even sure he's capable of anymore.
 
I thought Clottey did enough to win. Cotto didn't look like the same guy to me. I suspect the beating Margarito put on him has left it's mark.

As for Cotto getting back down to 140, I sincerely doubt he's capable of making it. He was given a hard time by Malignaggi in his final fight at light-welter, making weight clearly drained him.

I would imagine they could make the fight at a catchweight.
 
Difficult to gauge how much of an effect that Margo beatdown has really had tbh. Cotto wasn't at his best last night, but you'd have to attribute some of that to Clottey's style, which he was always gonna struggle with, and the cut can't have helped either. Gonna reserve making a proper judgment til his next fight, but it's kind of unrealistic to expect him to receive the punishment he did from Margarito and not be affected in any way.

Regarding the decision... a Clottey win wouldn't have been controversial in my eyes, and maybe would have happened if it was him who was defending a belt in front of his own fans. Those last rounds were crucial tho, and by winning those, Cotto did enough to secure the points win IMO.
 
Mayweather vs. Marquez postponed!

FFS

http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=20435

LAS VEGAS - The highly anticipated July 18 fight between Floyd Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez has been postponed due to a rib injury sustained by Mayweather while training. The mega-fight was scheduled to take place at MGM Grand in Las Vegas and be televised live on HBO Pay-Per-View.

"I am extremely disappointed that this fight has to be postponed," said Mayweather. "I was training very hard and looking forward to getting back in the ring on July 18th."

"I was very disappointed to hear the news about the fight being postponed," said Marquez from his training camp in Mexico. "I will remain focused, in shape and ready to fight whenever the fight is rescheduled for."

Information about rescheduling the fight will be made available as soon as possible.
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This is getting fecking ridiculous now, first Haye, then Kotelnik, now Floyd all pulling out with injuries. Well disappointing, so much for what was meant to be an exciting month of boxing.
 
With the recent announcement that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is injured, a potential showdown between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto is the frontrunner mega-fight to take place in the fall. Mayweather injured his ribs and was forced to withdraw from his July 18 bout with Juan Manuel Marquez. The fight was scheduled to take place the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Questions are lingering over the Mayweather withdrawal.

Numerous sources within the industry have said the ticket sales for Mayweather-Marquez were not doing well. Mayweather's promotional company was the lead promoter for the event. The speculation of "event issues" grew bigger when the injury announcement was released to the media after Cotto was able to decision Joshua Clottey on Saturday night in New York's Madison Square Garden. Cotto and Mayweather were the two frontrunners to fight Pacquiao in the fall. Pacquiao sat ringside for Cotto's win over Clottey and he was expected to sit ringside for Mayweather-Marquez. Now Pacquiao's decision became a little easier to make.

Bob Arum of Top Rank, who promotes both Pacquiao and Cotto, is already working on a deal to match the two fighters in November. Mayweather is expected to fight Marquez in the fall. According to Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, Mayweather will likely only fight once in 2009, which leaves a lot of time and a lot of roadblocks before Pacquiao and Mayweather could actually meet in the ring. He says Mayweather's injury is legit.

"It's a legitimate injury," said Schaefer to Sports Illustrated. "We have talked to a doctor. My understanding is that it is muscle related. It's a tough injury for Floyd because he was looking to fight twice this year. Now he is probably only going to get to fight once."
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Some good news, boxing fans: Manny Pacquiao versus Miguel Cotto? It's tentative for Nov. 14 in Las Vegas
Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto have each told their promoter they want to fight each other next.

Now, that promoter, Bob Arum, has to work out the details to make a bout that is penciled in for Nov. 14 in Las Vegas.

"I hope to put it together this week, to get an agreement on terms," Arum told The Times today from his Top Rank headquarters in Las Vegas.

Arum identified the two major points of negotiation as weight and the purse split.

Pacquiao (49-3-2, 37 knockouts) watched Cotto's dramatic split-decision world welterweight title victory over Joshua Clottey on Saturday in New York from ringside after picking up his award for 2008 fighter of the year across town.

After seeing Cotto sustain a deep left eyebrow cut late in the third round, wiping streaming blood from his eye as he out-punched Clottey in the final championship rounds, Pacquiao expressed confidence to associates that he could beat Cotto. Arum said Pacquiao told the promoter later that night that his first preference is to fight Cotto.

Pacquiao fought Oscar De La Hoya at the welterweight limit (147 pounds) in December, but he returned to junior-welterweight (140) to crush Ricky Hatton in a second-round knockout last month.

Empowered in negotiating as the world's top pound-for-pound boxer, Pacquiao will dictate at what weight a potential Cotto bout would be fought -- likely around 142 pounds, sources say -- and the Puerto Rican Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs) hasn't fought below the welterweight limit since June 2006.

Pacquiao also will determine what the acceptable purse split will be.

Shane Mosley, Pomona's world welterweight champ, already had announced he'd agree to fight Pacquiao for a 60-40 split, and Arum made it clear Cotto also would receive a minority share.

"Shane's a terrific fighter, but for now he's the second choice," Arum said. "If we can't put together a Pacquiao-Cotto fight, we'll reach out to Shane."

Mosley's promoter, Richard Schaefer, called the push for Pacquiao-Cotto "ridiculous" since Mosley knocked out Antonio Margarito in January and Margarito knocked out Cotto last summer. (Cotto beat Mosley by decision in 2007.)

"Cotto has a deep cut, Shane's ready to go," Schaefer said. "Sugar Shane Mosley is the best fighter in that division. He can punch more, he has more speed. Shane really wants this fight and is willing to make concessions. This is the fight people want."

There would be more interest in a Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. bout, and Pacquiao's interest in maximizing revenue makes that bout a near certainty in the future. Mayweather's camp reported Sunday, however, that he'd suffered a rib injury last week in training for his comeback fight July 18 against Juan Manuel Marquez, forcing a postponement.

The timing was curious and brought up the question of whether it might be a way for Mayweather to get out of a fight that was struggling to reach sellout status.

But Schaefer said Mayweather is locked into a contract to fight Marquez and said, "It's absolutely not a ploy. It's a legitimate injury, he's in a tremendous amount of pain." Schaefer said he'd like to reschedule the fight in September.
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I'd prefer Manny fight Mosley, but with Arum promoting both these fellas...
 
Justr got back from NY and the Cotto fight. It was f*cking crazy to say the least. Fighting in the stands, racial tension everything. Them Puerto Ricans are fiercely proud!
I think Cotto deserved the decision but it was hair thin and nowhere near that 116 score he was given.
The knock down, the round he trapped clottey in the corner and unloaded and the fact clottey did close to nothing in the last 2 rounds secured it for Cotto
 
Just read from Clottey himself that he was so offended by the result and his treatment from Bob Arum he considered retiring, but after advice from people including Shanon Briggs he has decided to continue and will persue a fight in October or November. His preference is Paul Williams.
 
I wish Williams would pick a division already, and stay in it for decent period of time. He says he's willing to go up as far as LHW, so why hang around looking at potential fights at 147?

I would like to see him put together a string of fights at middleweight, then possibly move up to super-middle in a few years.

I know he claims he can't get fights, but I highly doubt he would have much trouble securing opponents at either weight.
 
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