Well he's now called a "refereeing assistant." I don't know, I just know that if that goal had gone against Arsenal, I'd be fuming for days. You can argue they even themselves out though, given that Spurs scored when the assistant had his flag up at Fulham a couple of weeks back.
The Nani Goal
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Well he's now called a "refereeing assistant." I don't know, I just know that if that goal had gone against Arsenal, I'd be fuming for days. You can argue they even themselves out though, given that Spurs scored when the assistant had his flag up at Fulham a couple of weeks back.
Poor sportsmanship on Nani part? How the hell so? He literally sought for the referee's permission who ALLOWED him to kick the ball.
What more do you want him to do?
Spot on. Gomes certainly has some blame
A. It was a penalty in the first place.
B. When Nani went to ground and put his hand on the ball, that happens every fecking game when players go to ground.
C. By the time Gomes had put the ball on the ground, the linesman hadn't flagged yet, the ref hadn't blew the whistle and was actually waving play on.
D. You play to the fecking whistle, Nani did nothing wrong.
I see nothing wrong with the goal, but sure it's always polemic with us.
B. When Nani went to ground and put his hand on the ball, that happens every fecking game when players go to ground.
C. By the time Gomes had put the ball on the ground, the linesman hadn't flagged yet, the ref hadn't blew the whistle and was actually waving play on.
D. You play to the fecking whistle, Nani did nothing wrong.
I see nothing wrong with the goal, but sure it's always polemic with us.
Farcical situation, complete lack of communication all round.
They were trying not to contradict the nobend commentators
Yep, penalty I thought. No doubt. 2-0 was probably the right result, as I've said, but the way the second was scored was seriously dubious.
Linesman feck up, made worse by Gomes being an idiot =Nani goal.
But the goal is absolutely legitimate.
But the goal is absolutely legitimate.
Heads up play by nani. Gomez should play till the whistle. Unsporting, maybe, but so is over acting for a foul, pulling the shirt, getting in the officials face, etc....
I am afraid thats clearly not the case. When you watch him he's walking back talking to a United player, and made no signal ( which is a clearly defined signal used by referees ) that he is playing the advantage.
Clattenberg, the moment Gomez had the ball in his hands starts to move back and makes no attempt to talk to Nani, nor make any gesture to signal he was playing an advantage. QUite simply he did nothing. That can only lead you to the conclusion he never saw the handball, which being fair, from where he was, he may well not have done, but the linesman quite clearly would have and it was the lack of a signal from the linesman that caused the chaos.
How could Clattenberg play an advantage when the linesman didnt even signal for the handball in the first instance. He only flagged once he realised the feck up he'd made, and by that time it was too late.
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Handball but the Ref didn't blow so how can it be a free kick?? If its a free kick why did Gomez put the ball 10yards away from incident??
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Handball but the Ref didn't blow so how can it be a free kick?? If its a free kick why did Gomez put the ball 10yards away from incident??
If anyone can supply a GIF of the slow motion replay of Nani running around sticking his tongue out looking like the cat with the cream and all that after scoring one of the scabbiest goals of all time, I'll be eternally greatful.
He's such a glorious twat.
He's such a glorious twat.
You don't even understand the basic rules pal, only the referree can disallow a goal.
So the rule book says the ref has to use hand signals if he's allowing an advantage? Not blowing the whistle simply means there's no foul/advantage played. Common sense really. You play to the whistle. Not his hand movements. I'm sure all players in the league are not deaf and require ref's hand signals to communicate whether there's a foul or not.
I assumed the ref did see the handball but played advantage.
Nani saw the way Gomez was moving and thought a freekick had been awarded, he then thinks about complaining that the freekick was being taken from the wrong place, ref waves him to play on and he realises that the ball is in play. Goal.
Nani saw the way Gomez was moving and thought a freekick had been awarded, he then thinks about complaining that the freekick was being taken from the wrong place, ref waves him to play on and he realises that the ball is in play. Goal.
I bet not even one newspaper will mention that it was a blatant penalty
Mr B Cantona has it spot on methinks
i really cant see why theres so much fuss tbh
Both the penalty and handball incidents are irrelevant, no whistle has sounded and the spurs keeper has the ball in his hands, no need to stop the game just play on
Gomes f*cked up, thats all there is to it, and he even realised this himself i reckon as before Nani has even shot he runs back into position to try and save it
spurs are always good value for a laugh :jol:
i really cant see why theres so much fuss tbh
Both the penalty and handball incidents are irrelevant, no whistle has sounded and the spurs keeper has the ball in his hands, no need to stop the game just play on
Gomes f*cked up, thats all there is to it, and he even realised this himself i reckon as before Nani has even shot he runs back into position to try and save it
spurs are always good value for a laugh :jol:
What's wrong with it morally?
Nani has such strong Morals, he even asked the ref before striking the ball towards the goal...
How many footballers would do that? Sir Alex teaching our players to respect the officials and the game
Some would argue a good sportsman would have gone to the referee and admitted what he'd done.
I would use the Robbie Fowler v Seaman incident as evidence of what a good sportsman should do.
However, that is a one in a million case scenario and not one that you would expect any player to take.
I agree.
fecking hilarious it was though, they were showing the replay of the foul by Kaboul in the box when it happened
I think Clattenberg is a berk of a referee, but he's not done anything wrong here, in fact he's handled the situation well. Nani arguably should have had a penalty... but he doesn't so we carry on. He falls on and handles the ball, the ref could give Spurs a free kick, but Gomes picks the ball up, so he lets play continue and doesn't award a free kick... so we carry on. Gomes inexcusably puts the ball down, and Nani obviously tucks it home for a legitimate goal
Gomes is the mug here, and we all know it, so do Spurs fans. I guess they just want a bit of righteous indignation
Bang on!
Give it time and this incident was the one that decided the game according to a lot of people.
oh please. stop sounding like a scouser.
you play to the whistle. end off.
we have had numerous decisions go against us. Get over it and 'kick on' as Fergie says.
It all evens out imo.
Why was Gomes taking the "freekick" from where he placed the ball, did he think there was a freekick for a dive. It was a penalty anyway, so I feel no guilt.LMAO
So watching the video, Nani's shot comes a good 12 seconds after Gomes has been given the advantage. Are you really going to bring it back for a freekick after a 12 second phase of play because the team dont continue to enjoy possession of the ball after that time?
Gomes received around 15 yards towards the United goal from where the incident took place. He received about 9 seconds of having the ball under his control alone, and 12 seconds before anyone else touched the ball.
What does someone have to do to "take" the advantage then? He wasnt likely to score was he.
Gomes received around 15 yards towards the United goal from where the incident took place. He received about 9 seconds of having the ball under his control alone, and 12 seconds before anyone else touched the ball.
What does someone have to do to "take" the advantage then? He wasnt likely to score was he.
Very good eye there BBNG
This is all pretty straightforward, no?
The issue is whether the ref erred in not awarding a handball. He was giving Spurs an advantage. One they would have been glad about if Gomes hadn't assumed it was a free kick and chucked the ball on the ground. It was a judgement call that only begins to look suspect when you take into account what Gomes did immediately afterwards. Plenty of handballs aren't given when there is an advantage to be played.
Everything else is simple. Nani played on as he either knew a free kick hadn't been awarded or was chancing his arm.
Now what's interesting is that Clattenburg would have been guilty had he decided to disallow the goal. On what basis could he do that? They had their advantage and that's how they chose to use it. Would he have brought the play back for a free kick if a striker shot wide after being sent through while playing advantage?
I don't think it's the most sportsmanlike thing to do on Nani's part, but he was playing the whistle.
Oh, and Alastair is talking some of the most extreme bollocks we've had on here in a while. A linesman can award exactly feck all. He's is simply a set of eyes and ears for the ref to use when making decisions, whether that be by means of raising his flag or communicating with the ref. Linesmen don't stop the play, award goals, give yellow cards etc. The decision is the referee's.
The issue is whether the ref erred in not awarding a handball. He was giving Spurs an advantage. One they would have been glad about if Gomes hadn't assumed it was a free kick and chucked the ball on the ground. It was a judgement call that only begins to look suspect when you take into account what Gomes did immediately afterwards. Plenty of handballs aren't given when there is an advantage to be played.
Everything else is simple. Nani played on as he either knew a free kick hadn't been awarded or was chancing his arm.
Now what's interesting is that Clattenburg would have been guilty had he decided to disallow the goal. On what basis could he do that? They had their advantage and that's how they chose to use it. Would he have brought the play back for a free kick if a striker shot wide after being sent through while playing advantage?
I don't think it's the most sportsmanlike thing to do on Nani's part, but he was playing the whistle.
Oh, and Alastair is talking some of the most extreme bollocks we've had on here in a while. A linesman can award exactly feck all. He's is simply a set of eyes and ears for the ref to use when making decisions, whether that be by means of raising his flag or communicating with the ref. Linesmen don't stop the play, award goals, give yellow cards etc. The decision is the referee's.
Yes, the referee has to signal he's playing an advantage, of course. Not blowing the whistle = no foul. It would get confusing very quickly.
Anyway, fredthered has got it bang on. Wonder if he'll be accused of being a Scouser any time soon.
Fowler did not want the player sent off. But he was happy with the decision going his way if I remember correctly.
Morally, it should have been a penalty.
The referee had his eye on the ball the entire time. The referee knows exactly what he's done. He talked to Gomes, he gave Nani permission to kick the ball. It all happened under the referees watchful eye, but Nani is supposed to run over to him after he has scored and claim that it shouldnt stand?
Give over.
What's wrong with it morally?
Nani has such strong Morals, he even asked the ref before striking the ball towards the goal...
How many footballers would do that? Sir Alex teaching our players to respect the officials and the game
Oh come off it. It wasnt a fair goal, whatever way you want to paint it.
We all know that United got the goal because hte linesman fecked up.
If the lino had flagged properly and the goal had been disallowed not one of us would have complained.
If that had happened at the other end then we'd all be screaming the house down about it, but the rules are the rules.
Yes it was a goal, a legitimate goal, but we all know that really we got that goal because the lino is a fecking plonker.
Nice one too by Rio. Very sound reasoning.
Admit to doing what? Scoring a perfectly good goal or that he handled the ball?
The ref knew he handled the ball, the linesman told him but he didn't give a free kick. That's it. You could see him saying it at the end of the game to the Spurs players.
All this nonsene about it being 'morally' wrong is bollocks.
Can someone please explain why the linesman put his flag up in the first place?
He either believed that a free kick had been awarded or should have been awarded. But you already knew that.
Because the entire Tottenham team surrounded him, shouting at him.
Yes Kaboul should have stopped the play and said, It should be a penalty Ref.
Wake up Fred the red.
Definitely dubious. 2 wrongs make a right or is it 3 wrongs in this one goal? All in all, there would have been so much lesser trouble if the linesman had seen Kaboul's foul instead of just seeing the handball from Nani, that and if players actually play to the fecking whistle. Grates me when they just automatically assume the officials will make the right decision 100% of the time.