Do please point out when exactly Clattenburg ruled it out?
I think he meant the assistant ref ruled it out and then Clattenburg overruled the decision in our favor.
The Nani Goal
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I think he meant the assistant ref ruled it out and then Clattenburg overruled the decision in our favor.
As far as I can tell, Nani decided to award himself a penalty, only for everyone to completely ignore him, then Gomes, undetered by Nani's failure, decided he'd award himself a freekick. Then Nani, in one of the most blatant acts of hipocrasy ever seen, decided to inform Gomes that only the referee was allowed to award decisions, by booting the ball into the net.
Meanwhile Clattenberg had presumably come to the conclusion that hauling someone down in the area isn't in any way against the rules, and that neither in fact is scooping the ball into your hand and picking it up when you're not a goalkeeper. Either that or he'd decided that Manchester United scoring a goal was somehow playing advantage in Tottenhams favour.
Summary
Nani - Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
Gomes - Monger
Clattenberg - Mongerist
Meanwhile Clattenberg had presumably come to the conclusion that hauling someone down in the area isn't in any way against the rules, and that neither in fact is scooping the ball into your hand and picking it up when you're not a goalkeeper. Either that or he'd decided that Manchester United scoring a goal was somehow playing advantage in Tottenhams favour.
Summary
Nani - Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
Gomes - Monger
Clattenberg - Mongerist
The linesman in question is this guy:
Blundering linesman Simon Beck brought in line after Chelsea howler | Mail Online
So I was not surprised at all, not to mention the Bale incident in the first half..
I couldn't fecking believe my ears..! Most bitter piece of commentary I've ever heard. Surprised they didn't blame us for Hitler.
Reminds me of Solskjaer's goal
I agree with you on the penalty thing - you'd have been pissed off about the penalty decision, sure.
The linesman's flag is not a recommendation by any means. It's far more than that. The officials are a team - for the referee to actually completely reverse the decision of the linesman doesn't happen very often. It was just such a bizarre decision given that the linesman clearly disagreed with Clattenburg.
The linesman hasn't any authority what so ever. He's only there to aid the referee.
It's again with punishing someone trying to still on his feet.
Linesman are not allowed to rule in or rule out anything. He is there is assist the referee who makes the decisions.
Not if the referee decides to play the advantage to Spurs. Considering Gomes had the ball in his hands and the handball was committed virtually on the dead ball line, I'd say that the biggest advantage to Spurs in that scenario is to let the keeper play on.
The referee can't change that decision if Gomes then stuffs up.
That pretty well sums it up.
Mistakes made by Clattenburg but the whistle never went. It was a bigger mistake by Gomes who picked the ball up and rolled it forward assuming that he had a free kick.
I've been watching football for many years now, and I never seen anything like this.
Best comedy I've seen for weeks. Oh, and a legal goal, if somewhat unsporting. If I ever stopped laughing I may even care.
Best comedy I've seen for weeks. Oh, and a legal goal, if somewhat unsporting. If I ever stopped laughing I may even care.
606 is pretty good, some bloke called Hussain outside OT thinks a freekick was clearly given because he pointed in the direction of the ball.
Why would it be fair for the linesman to reverse the decision of the referee but not for the ref to reverse the linesman decision?
Oh shit me, Clattenburg is now being called a cheat and being told to be investigated because he's looked after a lot of 0-0's.
So in Alastair's world: referee awards goal, but ASSISTANT referree overrules him and has final say.
As I've said, you don't even know the rules, which is a shocking disgrace.
Going off at the spurs forum. 6 of the 8 supporters are livid, the Amercian doesn't understand and the one man who sees it as it is.
Yes, but there clearly wasn't an advantage to be had. Gomes clearly believed that it was a free kick, after the hand-ball, and then decided to roll it out a bit to clear down field. It was impossible for Gomes to know that an advantage had been applied, given that Clattenburg did not signal that that was the case, by holding his arms out.
Not really comparable tbh, there's nothing even remotely controversial about Ole's goal, it's just that refs have now decided that kicking the ball out of the keeper's hand is now illegal. Even though it isnt.
I was furious about that at the time, but then Drogba got dominated by Bramble the next day, and Chelsea didn't win another time. Happy days.
Danny Kelly and his strawman arguments on TalkWank.
For anyone not listening to 606, you really should be.
You took some flak when you first got promoted but I thought you were a decent poster.
I'm a spastic.
If the linesman's flag isn't a recommendation, what is it? Oh right, almost by the very definition of the word it's a recommendation. Sweet Lord.
Don't think much of it. You don't have to wait beyond next game when we'll be seeing a thread about a horrifying decision against United as evidence that the FA don't want United to win.
As I say, the officials are a team. For the linesman to be adamant about disallowing it, only for the ref to consult him, and then give it, is strange to say the least.
Rio's take from Twitter:
Handball but the Ref didn't blow so how can it be a free kick?? If its a free kick why did Gomez put the ball 10yards away from incident??
Handball but the Ref didn't blow so how can it be a free kick?? If its a free kick why did Gomez put the ball 10yards away from incident??
All because his famous incompetence/asshattery actually resulted in something favourable for United for once.
Stevie "Givvusapen" Gee won't be happy.
I did not realise the linesman had a whistle too.
learn about the rules before you make a fool of yourself.
The referee did not reverse the decision of the linesman. That's the mistake you are making.
The linesman either thought that the referee had given a freekick, or (more likely considering how late he put the flag up) thought the referee may have given a freekick. When the ref went over and consulted him about what the flag was for, he informed the linesman that he hadn't actually given a freekick so (rightfully) awarded the goal.
Here we go we've got an actual ref on 606 now, he says the goal is perfectly fine. He's saying the linesman was just bringing his attention to the handball, and Clattenburg told him he was playing advantage. And the ref's saying it's all Gomes' fault.
irrelevant to the result really.
Well would you call a linesman's flag a recommendation if he put it up for an offside, for example? It's a recommendation, fine, if you want to use that word, but it's 99% of the time the final decision.
The referee is at the top of the hierarchy, he will defer decisions when he feels it justified. In this case, the linesman was out of place to challenge and so the decision was upheld. The goal was never not given. It was never re-allowed since it was never disallowed in the first place.
I just desperately wish it had been a winner, laughing at Spurs is great fun, can't wait til that Glaston lad shows up.
He's a gooner, bear with him
He's a LFC fan.
That's the linesman's job. To run along the side of the pitch and call offsides, he's not a referee. He can give opinions and input, that's it.
Yes I wasn't comparing, Nani's goal just reminded me of it thats all
He's a gooner, bear with him
Not everyone is convinced he's actually a gooner.
He's on a constant Rafa/scouse love-in, and now he's outraged that poor little Spurs have lost a match.
Sound like the actions of a Gooner?