The MMA thread

marchi-91 said:
I think the fact he's only been in 2 years still needs to be recognized. He lacks general experience and its something that I thinks imperative in being a UFC champion. Look at Corture for example. Age does not seem to limit the body in this game to the extent of other sports. Putting it simply though, he needs to work on his cardio. It will feck him over time and time again if he doesn't.
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He needs to drop about 20 pounds AND work on his cardio - and stop pumping iron as if he's about to enter Mr. Olympia. I'm glad Cain destroyed him - it will make him better in the end.
 
If you take Brock and have him drop 20 pounds, he isn't Brock Lesnar that became the champ. He is something else.

What makes him difficult and all but impossible to beat for most HW's is that size and power and explosion. Not every fighter is going to be Cain who can stuff that shot and then wear him out.

Most guys are like Mir, who can't stop the take down or get up once he is on them.

Will Brock be a better fighter if he tries to emulate Cain? I don't think so. I think he will be the same guy, only he won't be 290 pounds come fight time, and now guys like Mir can get up.

What Brock needs to do, is learn strategy. Work within the confines of what makes him dangerous. He is a huge, explosive monster. He doesn't need to go balls to the walls, he can just press people up against the cage ala Handy, dirty box and win rounds by controlling the fight and getting the better of the dirty boxing. This will expend minimal energy and maximize the energy his opponent expends when Brock is leaning on him.

He is limited in the stand up, so he should work primarily on his jab. Forget everything else. Just jab. Jab his way in for everything. Jab for his wall and stall. Jab his way in if he is going to blow some one up ala Mir.

What happened on Saturday was expected to one extent by me and it seems many others, but the spazziness of it was rather unexpected. He needs to cool his jets and become a calculated stone cold killer. Saturday smacked of inexperience and a lack of seasoning.
 
Nucks said:
I expected him to gas as well, but not that quickly. I think Brock knew going into this fight that the longer the fight went, the less chance he had of winning for exactly that reason. So he came out pedal to the metal and tried to blow Cain up as quickly as possible.

End result is Brock setting a suicidal early pace, gassing much earlier and then getting smoked.
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This....rather stupid strategy as well....and this is the man that would apparently destroy Fedor. I don't question his commitment but he needs to become a smarter fighter. Can't boss everyone around in the cage/ring because of your size. Which was just proven.
 
It didn't seem like a smart approach from Brock, but then the only way he was winning that fight was through a very early KO/TKO. Practically no chance of him doing that on the ground. He'd be wasting his very limited energy just trying to hold Cain down, he wouldn't get into a dominant position for some GnP. Cain's too accomplished a wrestler and too smart to let that happen, he isn't Frank Mir.

Only reasonable strategy Brock could have had was to bum rush Cain and try overwhelming him with strikes, taking a lesson from Carwin I suppose. Just Cain handled it brilliantly and kept his composure, and dealt out a surprising amount of damage with his strikes.
 
Funny you should mention Fedor. That's exactly who Valasquez reminded me of with that performance against Brock. Heavy hands, vicious ground and pound and good at getting back to his feet.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Funny you should mention Fedor. That's exactly who Valasquez reminded me of with that performance against Brock. Heavy hands, vicious ground and pound and good at getting back to his feet.
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Cain reminds me of Fedor too. He seems to have the same composed mindset and instincts, doesn't show any kind of emotion when he fights.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Oh for feck's sake. Managed to forget this was on.

Doesn't seem to be repeated on ESPN either. Anyone know how I could watch this? Is there a site that hosts videos of old UFCs?
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The whole event is up on teN.ehdtA if you're that way inclined.
 
A Cain Fedor fight is so compelling right now.

You can make convincing arguments for either guy to win the fight.

Cain despite his knock out of BigNo.g has shown to have suspect stand up, Kongo almost cold cocked him two or three times. Fedor has the fastest hands in the division and some of the hardest hands. Almost no doubt in my mind that if Cain stayed standing with Fedor he would get lit up and KO'd. I don't think Cain has the jitz to slap a triangle on Fedor as he dives into his guard either :)

What makes this fight compelling for me is that I don't think it would be on the feet. I think Cain would shoot early and he would shoot often. The question becomes then, can Fedor pull out a submission with Cain swarming all over him? Can Fedor catch him with a power shot in the brief stand ups? Can Cain stay out of trouble and deliver effective GnP? Can Cain keep Fedor on his back?

I literally cannot think of a fight out there that has had me on pins and needles the way Tyson Holyfield 1 did, but I think this one would as well.

Now, I was extremely confident Holyfield would beat Tyson, but that didn't make watching the fight any less exciting because Tyson has the "it" factor. Everyone watching that fight knew that all it took was one instant for Tyson to end it.

Likewise with this fight, I'm pretty confident I know who would win, but again that wouldn't make it any less exciting, I think that excitement stems from the fact both guys can win it, and both guys have such developed skill-sets and physical abilities that victory will literally ride on the razors edge.
 
Looks like a UFC-WEC merger is finally happening. Good news I suppose, should give the likes of Aldo more exposure
 
Anyone watch WEC last night?

Faber - Mizugaki was so nasty. Takeya looked like a corpse afterwards. Put the ref in a difficult spot to catch it, but Faber must've been holding that choke 5-10 seconds after Takeya had passed out. Came out looking like a stiff and the camera cuts away ... Frightening stuff!

Overall a great event though
 
Can't expect much to be fair. Lot of these fighters aren't near top drawer, and theyre mostly not fresh enough to need to seriously impress with an all out war
 
Was looking forward to Sakara vs Rivera the most, so Sakara's forced to pull out :(

Happy Okami won though. If Belfort fails against Silva I think Okami has a good chance of beating him
 
What's everyone's top 5 these days ?

1. GSP
2. Cain
3. Anderson Silva
4. Shogun
5. Fedor

Frankie Edgar, Lyoto, Rashad etc just below.
 
I'd go ...


1. Werdum
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Anderson
5. Aldo
 
My P4P list.

1) GSP (Way, way way the feck out front)
2) Fedor (Needs to revenge Werdum fluke)
3) Aldo (Legend in the making)
4) Silva (Massively over-hyped in a weak division in my estimation, but deserving of 4 atm)
5) Shogun (Will the knees hold up?)
6) Machida (Shogun/Machida III could be phenomenal)
7) Edgar (Hate his style, it is basically point wrestling in MMA)
8) Sonnen (dependent on his positive test)
9) BJ (Won the first fight IMO, but perhaps too slow to compete with Edgar now)
10) Jones (How good is the LWH division right now?)
 
Sounds like Sonnen may get off with a pretty minor punishment, and his case sounds pretty reasonable. there's talk of him coaching the next season of TUF with Bisping, which would be class :D

My picks for tomorrow:

Sotiropoulos vs Lauzon
Davis vs Boetsch
Harris vs Falcao (Having never seen Falcao fight. Harris is good value though and a solid fighter)
Hughes vs Penn
Rampage vs Machida

Great card though. Sot vs Lauzon could be FOTN, Phil Davis is a great prospect and hopefully Penn and Machida can get back on track

Plus Karo making his comeback on the undercard!
 
I think Bisping would get destroyed by Sonnen, but it'd make for entertaining TV having Sonnen and Bisping coaching against each other. Sonnen is solid gold with his trash talking, and Bisping can only encourage it
 
My picks for tonight:

Sotiropoulos vs Lauzon
Davis vs Boetsch
Harris vs Falcao
Hughes vs Penn
Rampage vs Machida

I have a feeling Hughes could beat Penn. I don't know why because Penn should win.
 
Name Changed said:
My picks for tonight:

Sotiropoulos vs Lauzon
Davis vs Boetsch
Harris vs Falcao
Hughes vs Penn
Rampage vs Machida

I have a feeling Hughes could beat Penn. I don't know why because Penn should win.
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Interesting. I'm going G-Sot, Mr. Wonderful Phil Davis, Harris, Hughes, Machida
 
Name Changed said:
My picks for tonight:

Sotiropoulos vs Lauzon
Davis vs Boetsch
Harris vs Falcao
Hughes vs Penn
Rampage vs Machida

I have a feeling Hughes could beat Penn. I don't know why because Penn should win.
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Pretty sure Hughes will win. I desperately hope Penn wins, but I don't think he will.

My picks are:

Sotiropoulos vs Lauzon
Davis vs Boetsch
Harris vs Falcao
Hughes vs Penn
Rampage vs Machida
 
niMic said:
Pretty sure Hughes will win. I desperately hope Penn wins, but I don't think he will.

My picks are:

Sotiropoulos vs Lauzon
Davis vs Boetsch
Harris vs Falcao
Hughes vs Penn
Rampage vs Machida
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I'm precisely the opposite. Want Hughes to win badly, but not sure he can present the same problems to Penn that Edgar did. Penn can fight his usual counter-attacking style again as Hughes won't present a fraction of the movement that Edgar did, he'll have his usual speed advantage restored too.
 
Good stuff from Sot, really tidy fighter. Disappointed in Lauzon though, decent first round but looked very tired for the second round
 
Tim Boetsch coming out to fecking Kid Rock :( Was hoping he'd have something from the Conan soundtrack on again

Now I really want Davis to win
 
Falcao looking good. Big let off for Harris there, saved by the bell
 
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