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Brown Pride!

Shields is dull but effective. Thought he'd be a decent enough fight for GSP, but on that performance his cardio will be a huge question mark. Perhaps he'd do more @ 185
 
Rogan on Brock: "A thousand years ago the only way you saw a guy like this is when he showed up on your shore in a boat. And then you ran".
 
I was expecting him to win but not like that, he fecked Lesnar up proper. Even worse than Carwin did, and standing, amazing!
 
Brock really made a mess of it. He came out and wasted all of his cardio within the first two minutes of the first round.
 
Ekeke said:
Split decision, about right. Raped him positionally on the floor even though he hardly did any damage, Kampann didnt do much more except for a knee or two.
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Rofl. This was a 30-27 fight for Kampmann.

Positioning doesn't win fights.

Kampmann landed 5 or 6 GOOD body knees. That won the first round alone.

Knock down in second round, that won the second round alone.

Shitting all over shields for 3 minutes of a 5 minute round wins THAT round.

Positioning, and I cannot reiterate enough, does not warrant points. A tie breaker sure, if the rest of the fight is call it. All shields did, was secure a couple take downs, three? He also had 2 mounts. He did no striking when in those positions and in all cases they were quickly reversed.

Shields did not deserve to win that and it is fecking pathetic and speaks to the state of judging in MMA.
 
Raoul said:
Brock really made a mess of it. He came out and wasted all of his cardio within the first two minutes of the first round.
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This is exactly how I expected the fight to go, with one exception. I thought Brock would have a gas tank for the first round and most of round two with Cain finishing it in the late second or third.

Brock blew his wad with that awesome flying knee :lol:
 
Brock can't take a punch. Cain's superior technique trumps Carwin's raw power. Vs Carwin Brock just bricked it, but against Cain he was getting rocked genuinely. Amazing stuff.
 
UBERScholes said:
Brown Pride!

Shields is dull but effective. Thought he'd be a decent enough fight for GSP, but on that performance his cardio will be a huge question mark. Perhaps he'd do more @ 185
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GSP would absolutely tool Jake Shields. I honestly can't see him being better at.. anything. The main thing is, GSP would be able to keep it standing if he wanted to a much higher degree than Kampmann could. And GSP would demolish him standing.
 
Nucks said:
This is exactly how I expected the fight to go, with one exception. I thought Brock would have a gas tank for the first round and most of round two with Cain finishing it in the late second or third.

Brock blew his wad with that awesome flying knee :lol:
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Those were the last four words I expected to ever hear from Goldie..

"Flying knee from Lesnar!"
 
UBERScholes said:
Brock can't take a punch. Cain's superior technique trumps Carwin's raw power. Vs Carwin Brock just bricked it, but against Cain he was getting rocked genuinely. Amazing stuff.
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In fairness, no one can take a punch from Carwin. Brock's fatal mistake was to exhaust himself in the opening minute of the fight. It was all downhill from there.

In future fights, he may consider reducing his weight into the 240s and increasing his cardio and agility.

Cain v Carwin seems like the next logical fight. Brock might have to deal with Mir yet again.
 
niMic said:
GSP would absolutely tool Jake Shields. I honestly can't see him being better at.. anything. The main thing is, GSP would be able to keep it standing if he wanted to a much higher degree than Kampmann could. And GSP would demolish him standing.
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I would've agreed with you even before this performance, but Shields is one of the few top level guys that GSP hasn't beaten and it'd be interesting to see GSP get someone with that skillset rather than going back through Kos and Fitch and everyone else. Seeing Shields gas like that against Kampmann, I think GSP would be a very tedious fight if GSP couldn't finish him.
 
Raoul said:
In fairness, no one can take a punch from Carwin. Brock's fatal mistake was to exhaust himself in the opening minute of the fight. It was all downhill from there.
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I thought Brock would gas early but I can't imagine he gassed that quickly. Maybe there was a element of it given the high pace but he must've been getting rocked, he was all over the place, Cain was landing good shots.

I was very concerned though because Brock was getting shots in on Cain too. He doesn't have the best defence standing, which is something that might be exposed brutally vs JDS. I was thinking back to the Kongo fight but Cain was unfazed by Brock's strikes. Saying that, Brock has poor standup.

Cain v Carwin seems like the next logical fight. Brock might have to deal with Mir yet again.
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Cain has JDS next, which is going to be an incredible fight. Those two are the best the UFC HW division has to offer. I heard Carwin has Nelson next, but I don't know if anything has been confirmed.
 
UBERScholes said:
I would've agreed with you even before this performance, but Shields is one of the few top level guys that GSP hasn't beaten and it'd be interesting to see GSP get someone with that skillset rather than going back through Kos and Fitch and everyone else. Seeing Shields gas like that against Kampmann, I think GSP would be a very tedious fight if GSP couldn't finish him.
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Well, that's true. GSP has gone through almost everyone, with ease. I just remembered that Shields was supposed to get a title shot if he won this fight.. this must be the most unimpressive title-challenge-inducing performance in the history of the UFC.
 
niMic said:
Well, that's true. GSP has gone through almost everyone, with ease. I just remembered that Shields was supposed to get a title shot if he won this fight.. this must be the most unimpressive title-challenge-inducing performance in the history of the UFC.
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Toss up between Shields and Maynard I suppose. Just think, UFC could end up with Maynard, Shields and Evans as three of their champions ...


Think I'm going to pull an all nighter so I can watch Aoki in action @ DEEP 50 :drool:
 
Apparently Brock verbally submitted to strikes :D Officially Zulu'd?

 
UBERScholes said:
Brock can't take a punch. Cain's superior technique trumps Carwin's raw power. Vs Carwin Brock just bricked it, but against Cain he was getting rocked genuinely. Amazing stuff.
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Doesn't help when Lesner gasses himself before the half way point of the first round. Then again, always an average fighter. Hopefully all the fan boys will shut up now.
 
There is rumours that the Undertaker V Brock thing was just a work in motion for a WWE match at Wrestlemania.

Would not be surprised at all if Brock quits now. HE was amazingly lucky to get through Carwin and last night he was destroyed. Who else apart from JDS (who would also kick his ass) can he fight now?
 
Hawani usually does good interviews, although this time it seems he got caught up in trying to ratchet up the tension between the two.
 
Randall Flagg said:
There is rumours that the Undertaker V Brock thing was just a work in motion for a WWE match at Wrestlemania.

Would not be surprised at all if Brock quits now. HE was amazingly lucky to get through Carwin and last night he was destroyed. Who else apart from JDS (who would also kick his ass) can he fight now?
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Brock vs Frank Mir III? :D

Dana will again be looking to fast track Brock to a title shot. Looked gutted with the result yesterday. Once the dust settles on Cain vs JDS the UFC HW division has blown its wad and they'll start recycling the 'new breed' unless they can raid Strikeforce for a few of its Heavyweights.
 
rofl Brock vs Fedor "biggest fight ever" has been blown wide open within 6 months. Great sport. At least Manny and Floyd know they can delay because they'll continue winning.
 
At 33 he isn't adding any significant tools to his game. I think Lesnar's best bet if he ever wants to be champion again is to just work on his wrestling (Which for all its promise hasn't been too impressive) and follow the blueprint of a Maynard/Fitch. Become someone aiming to just neutralize opponents and take decisions. Which I hate to see, but I think it's the logical path for Brock. He can work on striking all he wants, but if he can't take a punch there's not much point. He's a severely limited fighter, but there are plenty of fighters around with limitations who are still top shelf.

Overeem for example has the same problem as Brock, withering under pressure with a questionable chin, and he's a K1 level kickboxer. That's why his only credible victory in MMA for the last few years has been a Brett Rogers in recovery from Fedor.
 
UBERScholes said:
I thought Brock would gas early but I can't imagine he gassed that quickly. Maybe there was a element of it given the high pace but he must've been getting rocked, he was all over the place, Cain was landing good shots.

I was very concerned though because Brock was getting shots in on Cain too. He doesn't have the best defence standing, which is something that might be exposed brutally vs JDS. I was thinking back to the Kongo fight but Cain was unfazed by Brock's strikes. Saying that, Brock has poor standup.



Cain has JDS next, which is going to be an incredible fight. Those two are the best the UFC HW division has to offer. I heard Carwin has Nelson next, but I don't know if anything has been confirmed.
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I expected him to gas as well, but not that quickly. I think Brock knew going into this fight that the longer the fight went, the less chance he had of winning for exactly that reason. So he came out pedal to the metal and tried to blow Cain up as quickly as possible.

End result is Brock setting a suicidal early pace, gassing much earlier and then getting smoked.
 
Don't think anyone expected such a gung-ho approach from lesnar. It was exciting to see but smacked of desperation. Despite all the plaudits from the UFC and all his arrogance, it's clear who the better fighter is. The only problem was whether Cain could handle the onslaught and he passed with flying colours. His technique was spot on in defense.

Had Carwin attacked lesnar the same way Velasquez did then we wouldn't have had a "Broctober"
 
I'd like to see what Carwin can do against Cain if that ever takes place, which it presumably will after the JDS fight.
 
UBERScholes said:
At 33 he isn't adding any significant tools to his game. I think Lesnar's best bet if he ever wants to be champion again is to just work on his wrestling (Which for all its promise hasn't been too impressive) and follow the blueprint of a Maynard/Fitch. Become someone aiming to just neutralize opponents and take decisions. Which I hate to see, but I think it's the logical path for Brock. He can work on striking all he wants, but if he can't take a punch there's not much point. He's a severely limited fighter, but there are plenty of fighters around with limitations who are still top shelf.

Overeem for example has the same problem as Brock, withering under pressure with a questionable chin, and he's a K1 level kickboxer. That's why his only credible victory in MMA for the last few years has been a Brett Rogers in recovery from Fedor.
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I think the fact he's only been in 2 years still needs to be recognized. He lacks general experience and its something that I thinks imperative in being a UFC champion. Look at Corture for example. Age does not seem to limit the body in this game to the extent of other sports. Putting it simply though, he needs to work on his cardio. It will feck him over time and time again if he doesn't.
 
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