The MMA thread

I must be one of the few people that thought Sonnen had a chance. He had impressed me in the last couple of fights, and people had seemed a bit tentative to go after Silva in the last couple of the Silva fights I'd seen.

Fair play to Silva though, he pulled it out of the bag. I bet Sonnen is kicking himself, maybe it was tiredness or a bit of complacency, but he had the fight on a plate and he should have been expecting Silva to try for a submission at that stage of the fight.
 
I agree about Fitch. Boring as hell, but Jesus he is good at what he does. I assume his initial match with GSP wasnt a classic? Now with Jake Shields that division aint going to improve much either.

Last 2 UFC PPV's have been excellent. But I dont have high hopes for the next. Edgar V BJ was poor entertainment even though the result was shocking and it will be the same again. And Toney V Couture? I dunno what to expect from this
 
Hopefully Penn comes back and makes a big statement against Edgar. Nothing against Edgar but a Penn beatdown is a great sight.

Florian is good value too but if Maynard gets the better of him it could be a dull fight

I'm excited to see what happens with Couture - Toney. It's sort of like another Sonnen-Silva, with Toney talking so much shit despite the fact many wouldn't give him much of a chance. Should be a quick fight either way. I'm hoping Toney KO's Randy because I think he's a great character for the sport and there are good fights for him in the division. Perhaps he'd encourage some more boxers to try out MMA as well.

I think Diaz vs Davis should be a quality fight, and my favourite English fighter Nick Osipczak is on the prelim card. Looking forward to it
 
UBERScholes said:
Hopefully Penn comes back and makes a big statement against Edgar. Nothing against Edgar but a Penn beatdown is a great sight.

Florian is good value too but if Maynard gets the better of him it could be a dull fight

I'm excited to see what happens with Couture - Toney. It's sort of like another Sonnen-Silva, with Toney talking so much shit despite the fact many wouldn't give him much of a chance. Should be a quick fight either way. I'm hoping Toney KO's Randy because I think he's a great character for the sport and there are good fights for him in the division. Perhaps he'd encourage some more boxers to try out MMA as well.

I think Diaz vs Davis should be a quality fight, and my favourite English fighter Nick Osipczak is on the prelim card. Looking forward to it
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I am looking forward to the Toney fight. I would imagine Couture will try and take it to the floor as soon as he can. Toney has to try and knock him out before he gets taken down and beaten up. Could be quite entertaining and over quite quickly.
 
It was haunted by a ghost.

If Toney is going to win, its going to be a really quick fight. I'm thinking after the initial settling in period, Couture will eventually try to take it to the ground and that'll give Toney the chance to land a clean uppercut if he shoots or from the clinch if he tries to use that trip him. Once its on the floor Toney may hold on a bit longer than some people expect as he's a tough guy and should be able to take the beating for a while, though maybe wont know how to defend himself properly. And thats pretty much it. If Toney can time his strike right and catch Couture on the chin it could be game over. If he doesnt hit how he'd like and Couture gets him down, it might take a minute or two but then thats game over for Toney.
 
The odds are rediculous, i'm seriously betting on Toney, not just because i'm a boxing and a JT fan but he's actually taking it seriously and looks to be getting into the best shape he's been in in 5 or 6 years, maybe more.

Yes he's new to MMA but there really hasnt been a boxer with his skill level or a striker with his skill/power. Another thing that bodes well for Toney is that he never panics. He can go 12 rounds so he can go 3 5 min rounds. He is very relaxed in the ring, but then that could be because he was in a boxing ring, if things go tits up in the cage we just might see him panic.

Can't wait though and at 5/1 or so i'll def be taking JT for the KO.
 
He's gonna get dumped on his arse and beaten up. Put your house on it.

Even if Couture doesn't take him down immediately no matter how good a boxer someone is, it's a piece of piss to close and clinch. Within moments of the fight going to a clinch, Toney will end up taken down and he won't be able to get up. Betting on a boxer to knock someone out before they've been drawn into a single clinch is a mug's game, no matter what the odds.
 
Fair play Pogue, that's what makes it interesting, alot of people are saying Couture will do just that and there is a good chance but even so it's worth a punt on toney.

Completely different but Toney is a master of boxing in the clinch/inside. So if he is taken to the clinch he knows how to throw from close range and one punch to Couture will stop him.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Fair play Pogue, that's what makes it interesting, alot of people are saying Couture will do just that and there is a good chance but even so it's worth a punt on toney.

Completely different but Toney is a master of boxing in the clinch/inside. So if he is taken to the clinch he knows how to throw from close range and one punch to Couture will stop him.
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The clinch is such a different beast in MMA though. You're allowed to hold the back of the head, you've got open fingered gloves to get a better grip etc. etc. Fighting is mainly about instincts and I doubt Toney's had enough times to change his natural instincts when he gets in close.

Will be an interesting fight all the same. I used to love the really early UFC when you had clashes between completely different styles. Sumo wrestlers against kick boxers and the like. I remember some bloke came in wearing a single boxing glove! This fight is a bit of a throw-back to those days. Looking forward to it
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The clinch is such a different beast in MMA though. You're allowed to hold the back of the head, you've got open fingered gloves to get a better grip etc. etc. Fighting is mainly about instincts and I doubt Toney's had enough times to change his natural instincts when he gets in close.

Will be an interesting fight all the same. I used to love the really early UFC when you had clashes between completely different styles. Sumo wrestlers against kick boxers and the like. I remember some bloke came in wearing a single boxing glove! This fight is a bit of a throw-back to those days. Looking forward to it
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Exactly, it'll be an interesting fight regardless. The thing i love about JT is he comes to fight, the guy loves to fight and I think in the cage he has the potential to surprise a few people. Obviously i have no idea but Couture is getting old and one shot with those 4 ounce gloves, even to the body will knock him over.

Anyway, i'm not putting my house on it but £20 at 5-1 is not exactly a bad shout considering that Toney is a world class boxer and a born fighter. He's no ray mercer that's for sure.

and he's taking it seriously, he's been training with wrestlers who by all accounts are of a high calibre where as Couture hasn't trained with any boxers at all... that could be a fatal flaw.
 
I have a feeling Couture is gonna get smashed. He has looked terrible as of late. It all depends on Tony however. He HAS to put in the work to work on take down defense. If he can stifle Randy a few times, I think Randy is done-dadda.
 
There's no way in hell Couture is going to lose to Toney. For that to happen, Toney will pretty much have to knock him out with the first punch. Because I doubt he's going to get the chance for more. How in the earth is an old boxer going to learn the takedown defense to stop Couture in under a year?
 
No idea, some report that he has been others report that it's only since he started training for the actual fight.

I hope he has been training and by all accounts he looks like he's taking it seriously. I don;t think it'll be as easy for Couture as MMA fans and the bookies think. I give Toney a chance because he's a great fighter.
 
niMic said:
There's no way in hell Couture is going to lose to Toney. For that to happen, Toney will pretty much have to knock him out with the first punch. Because I doubt he's going to get the chance for more. How in the earth is an old boxer going to learn the takedown defense to stop Couture in under a year?
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Some people will pick it up quite naturally. It all depends on the individual concerned. His footwork should be quite good as it's a fundamental element of boxing. Therefore he should be good at moving out of the way if couture shoots for his legs/midsection. If/when they're in a clinch, I would Imagine he will struggle.
I would be less worried about defending against take downs than actually defending himself when he does get taken down. Couture has the ability to take down anybody, so I'd imagine Toney's focus would be working at defending himself when he is on his back and working on techniques to get back up to his feet, where he holds the advantage.
 
Big ***'s had to pull out of UFC 119 with injury, and so it's Frank Mir vs Crocop now. I think it's great news, Mir vs Crocop should be a quality fight, wasn't too excited about the Big *** vs Mir rematch.

It's a good opportunity for both fighters. I think Mir will take it though, much as I'd prefer to see Crocop win
 
Mir versus Mrko? Good fight coming up. I can see Cro Cop taking this by TKO. War Filipovic!!!!!

And Rampage-Lyoto was always going to happen after Rashad and Shogun beat them.
 
The loser of the Rampage Lyoto fight faces a long and difficult climb back to relevance. IMO that is likely to be Rampage, as I can't see Lyoto losing again.
 
Raoul said:
The loser of the Rampage Lyoto fight faces a long and difficult climb back to relevance. IMO that is likely to be Rampage, as I can't see Lyoto losing again.
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It should be a great fight. The problem with Lyoto is if he gets him. He really struggled after a few shots from Shogun but they didn't see that powerful. Lyoto has been so elusive in his career so far that he hasn't had to take much on the chin. If Rampage manages to get a couple of decent shots in, Lyoto could really struggle. I'd still fancy Lyoto, but I wouldn't be putting my house on it.
 
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It should be a great fight. The problem with Lyoto is if he gets him. He really struggled after a few shots from Shogun but they didn't see that powerful. Lyoto has been so elusive in his career so far that he hasn't had to take much on the chin. If Rampage manages to get a couple of decent shots in, Lyoto could really struggle. I'd still fancy Lyoto, but I wouldn't be putting my house on it.
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Agree that Rampage has the power to hurt Lyoto badly, but I don't think he's got the speed, workrate or desire at this stage of his career to catch him.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Agree that Rampage has the power to hurt Lyoto badly, but I don't think he's got the speed, workrate or desire at this stage of his career to catch him.
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I think Lyoto will want and need to put him away early. The longer he is in there with Rampage, the more change there will be of him getting clipped.

Lyoto will be big favourite though.
 
I think it'll be another very frustrating fight for Rampage and Machida will take it pretty easily via decision. He'll be very sensible following his reckless performance against Shogun and it'll be business as usual.

I heard there's some steroid controversy surrounding Carwin. Named as a recipient of illegal substances in the trial of some pharmacist who's been sentenced to 4 years in prison
 
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I think Lyoto will want and need to put him away early. The longer he is in there with Rampage, the more change there will be of him getting clipped.

Lyoto will be big favourite though.
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I agree with UberScholes on this. Rampage still has a very good chin. I can't see Machida being reckless enough to go looking for an early knockout and leaving himself exposed to a big counter. Far more likely that he cruises to a dull but comfortable decision.
 
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I agree with UberScholes on this. Rampage still has a very good chin. I can't see Machida being reckless enough to go looking for an early knockout and leaving himself exposed to a big counter. Far more likely that he cruises to a dull but comfortable decision.
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Rampage is too dumb of a fighter and Machida too smart. Rampage will get picked apart.
 
Semmy Schilt could be heading to the UFC. Was joking around about his K1 belt being stolen and upset a few people, so he's looking for a different org, negotiations with UFC have started apparently.

I'd love to see this happen. His MMA career hasn't been great, obviously he has some big limitations. But the guy could do serious damage in the UFC. His MMA losses this decade have been Barnett, Fedor, Big *** and Sergei. Which basically makes him look like Overeem, except he's a bigger, tougher version of Overeem with a far superior pedigree in K1.

I reckon he clowns Carwin, and he'd be a horrible fight for JDS. Cain would really struggle with him, and I think Lesnar would too. Schilt ain't the worst grappler around, he has 41 MMA fights, and he'd have by far the best striking in the UFC HW division. Question is whether he's motivated enough and whether he can cut down to 265
 
One Machida knockout and everyone thinks he is a good fighter, he is not a good fighter more like a chicken fighter.

One punch and runs away, what a cat fighter, even though I don't think Rampage will win if Machida does the Ortiz fight with him.
 
Its effective but I dont like to watch it. I'd rather watch a wrestler beat someone up from in guard than watch Machida/Bisbing punch and evade to be honest. I'm sure lots of people disagree but its just a preference.
 
UBERScholes said:
Semmy Schilt could be heading to the UFC. Was joking around about his K1 belt being stolen and upset a few people, so he's looking for a different org, negotiations with UFC have started apparently.

I'd love to see this happen. His MMA career hasn't been great, obviously he has some big limitations. But the guy could do serious damage in the UFC. His MMA losses this decade have been Barnett, Fedor, Big *** and Sergei. Which basically makes him look like Overeem, except he's a bigger, tougher version of Overeem with a far superior pedigree in K1.

I reckon he clowns Carwin, and he'd be a horrible fight for JDS. Cain would really struggle with him, and I think Lesnar would too. Schilt ain't the worst grappler around, he has 41 MMA fights, and he'd have by far the best striking in the UFC HW division. Question is whether he's motivated enough and whether he can cut down to 265
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So you think a 36 year old with an MMA record of 26-14 would pretty much have a good chance against any of the presumed top 4 heavyweights in the UFC?

Insanity.
 
niMic said:
So you think a 36 year old with an MMA record of 26-14 would pretty much have a good chance against any of the presumed top 4 heavyweights in the UFC?

Insanity.
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If people give Overeem a shot of destroying anyone in the HW division, despite the fact he's consistently been beaten by top level competition and often in embarrassing fashion, just because he's gotten bigger and has a kickboxing pedigree, why not Schilt considering he's even bigger than Overeem and has ten times the kickboxing pedigree?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The clinch is such a different beast in MMA though. You're allowed to hold the back of the head, you've got open fingered gloves to get a better grip etc. etc. Fighting is mainly about instincts and I doubt Toney's had enough times to change his natural instincts when he gets in close.

Will be an interesting fight all the same. I used to love the really early UFC when you had clashes between completely different styles. Sumo wrestlers against kick boxers and the like. I remember some bloke came in wearing a single boxing glove! This fight is a bit of a throw-back to those days. Looking forward to it
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The contrast in styles in the original UFC's were brilliant. Fights were over much faster and they also had to fight in 3 fights all in the same night!
 
Yep. Old school UFC as raw as it was, was a lot more entertaining a watch than the glorified wrestling matches that have plagued recent UFC's.

I still remember picking up UFC 2 on vhs from HMV when it was released and I shit you not it actually had a card inside the case for you to fill in if you wanted to enter in the next tournament. :lol:
 
Sounds like Silva vs Sonnen II is in the works, apparently White confirmed it was happening. Good for Sonnen, but I'd have liked Silva to have fought Belfort before a rematch. Anderson has looked a bit slow on the standup, both Maia and Sonnen were able to land punches on him. It'd be interesting to see a stand up battle with Belfort but Belfort is so unpredictable


Just watched Sakuraba vs Royce Gracie I and Sakuraba vs Renzo Gracie

Saku > *. The man is a genuine legend

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According to Sonnen, Silva isnt going to be fighting for a while anyway. And Sonnen said he'd be fighting in the mean time. So perhaps we'll have Sonnen Vs. Belfort and whoever wins facing Silva when he gets back in the octagon.
 
Toney is going to get reamed. Unless Couture is a moron.

The post fight interview will be funny. James will say Lesnar is ducking him, regardless of the actual result of the fight.
 
Ekeke said:
According to Sonnen, Silva isnt going to be fighting for a while anyway. And Sonnen said he'd be fighting in the mean time. So perhaps we'll have Sonnen Vs. Belfort and whoever wins facing Silva when he gets back in the octagon.
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Don't think that's going to happen, this is what Belfort told Sherdog a few days ago.

“I talked to Lorenzo (Fertitta) this week and will return in November,” Belfort said. “I just asked him to not be (on the November card in Germany). I'm tired of traveling. I would like to return to fighting here in America. According to my conversation with Lorenzo, my opponent will not be Sonnen, but another guy that will be decided soon.”
 
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