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Andersons Dietician said:
If she really wanted out she can stop the fight, it kinda feels like she just wanted the decision taken out of her hands so it didn’t come back on her.
It is however a weird one and they will know her a lot better than any of us. She maybe doubts herself a lot and normally does things like this in training and just needs that little bit of encouragement to get herself going. If she was properly broken, could hardly hold herself up or was taking a massive beating with nothing going back then I’m sure they’d have pulled her.

Another to take in to account is it’s a title fight, maybe they didn’t want her to possibly have any regrets later on if that was a possibility.

On the flip side of that tho, if she was properly switched off then going out in to a fight is a bit stupid, but again if she really wanted out she can stop it.
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They're not supposed to leave it up to the fighter to stop it though as that's obviously dangerous. They're supposed to step in when neccesary to protect the fighter, even against the fighter's express wishes if need be. Them shrugging and saying she'll stop it if she "really" wants to stop it isn't right and isn't them doing their job properly.

They will indeed know her better than anyone else but it isn't neccesary to know her at all to see that sending her back out was a bad call. She had been comfortably beaten over four rounds and was asking for the fight to be stopped. As a rule if a fighter as tough as Pennington has been beaten so bad that she asks for the fight to stop, it's time for the fight to stop.

It's easy to say she hadn't taken much of a beating from outside the octagon but she had obviously taken enough damage to want the fight to end. By the end she had taken enough to be taken to hospital. They didn't give her any advice on how to turn the situation around either, or even throw in the towel as soon as it became clear that round 5 was going badly for her as well. They just sent her out to take more punishment in the vague hope that she would miraculously pull off a win against someone who was dominating her.

I've seen very few fighters side with the corner today, despite their "let me keep fighting" outlook. Even more damning, that idiot Brendan Schaub did side with the corner, which is only further proof that they did something stupid.
 
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sullydnl said:
They're not supposed to leave it up to the fighter to stop it though as that's obviously dangerous. They're supposed to step in when neccesary to protect the fighter, even against the fighter's express wishes if need be. Them shrugging and saying she'll stop it if she "really" wants to stop it isn't right and isn't them doing their job properly.

They will indeed know her better than anyone else but it isn't neccesary to know her at all to see that sending her back out was a bad call. She had been comfortably beaten over four rounds and was asking for the fight to be stopped. As a rule if a fighter as tough as Pennington has been beaten so bad that she asks for the fight to stop, it's time for the fight to stop.

It's easy to say she hadn't taken much of a beating from outside the octagon but she had obviously taken enough damage to want the fight to end. By the end she had taken enough to be taken to hospital. They didn't give her any advice on how to turn the situation around either, or even throw in the towel as soon as it became clear that round 5 was going badly for her as well. They just sent her out to take more punishment in the vague hope that she would miraculously pull off a win against someone who was dominating her.

I've seen very few fighters side with the corner today, despite their "let me keep fighting" outlook. Even more damning, that idiot Brendan Schaub did side with the corner, which is only further proof that they did something stupid.
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Since I posted that I saw a statement from Tecia Torres, Pennington’s fiancé and she basically expressed what I had said above and defended the corer.

I think as well this was something that was mentioned about her in the TUF show as well when she was on it, that she is mentally fragile or something, constantly doubting herself.

It’s a different scenario from what you’ve alluded to above with the corner, she has expressed she doesn’t want to continue, she can stop the fight. It’s not like someone taking a 1 sided beating and wanting to continue, that’s when the corner steps in, when you’re a danger to yourself. It is a grey area I guess because she has said she doesn’t want to continue, probably switched off, hence why the corner man kept sayin change your mindset but like I said that might just be a regular occurrence of her doubting herself. She still had all her facalties and if she really wanted out she can stop it. No one forced her to do it.

Broken nose and hospital visits pretty much par for the course with fighting.
 
RedFish said:
Mckenzie Dern 7lbs over the weight limit. What a joke.
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She was told by the commission to stop cutting weight before they had to weigh in so I would have imagined she would have hydrated again hence making it 7lbs. Still failing to make weight and apparently she cut 4kg on the Wednesday and thought she could make it but her body just stopped sweating even after being in the sauna for 2hrs.
Obviously just left herself way too much weight to cut but from the sounds of it she had a horrific camp, said she was kicked from her team, which would be intresting to find out why. However she had to try and gather together a team whilst preparing for the fight in a 2 month turn around.
 
RedFish said:
Think Gastelum is destined for the title. Potential was clear to see early on and this kiddo is only getting better.
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He's young enough but then again he's the same age as Whitaker. Those two are going to be around for another decade.

Also don't sleep on Paulo Costa. He's going to be a massive force in the division.
 
As a fan of Chuck, I really don’t want to see him come back. It was tough to watch the ignominy of David Haye last week as he was a shadow of his former self.. Chuck would be the same, if not worse.

In fact, with the way Chuck’s chin was prior to his retirement, I’d be worried that he would be KO’d from the pre-bout glove touch.
 
Vato said:
:lol: Chuck has lost his damn mind wanting to fight Jones.
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I spent a whole two minutes trying to think who this Chuck was.
What was I missing? I had to google it

Chuck Liddell didn't even cross my mind!
I love the man but its suicide by cop if this happens.
 
Raoul said:
Nunes should fight Holm or Viera next.
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Holm is fighting Megan Anderson (also she don't deserve it!!), and no way they risk Nunes loosing to Phenom Viera just yet. They will feed Nunes to Cyborg first, because that's the only women fight that could headline a PPV and sell pretty good.
 
George Owen said:
Holm is fighting Megan Anderson (also she don't deserve it!!), and no way they risk Nunes loosing to Phenom Viera just yet. They will feed Nunes to Cyborg first, because that's the only women fight that could headline a PPV and sell pretty good.
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Nunes v Cyborg would be good but it wouldn't happen at 135 since Cyborg can't make that. It may be possible at catchweight of 145.
 
George Owen said:
yep, for the title at 145. Nunes could be the first woman with 2 belts, although i don't think she has many chances.
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I think Cyborg would win that (imo). Her punching is just a bit too good and I think she's better on the ground. It would easily be the biggest women's fight of all time though (maybe not in PPV buys but definitely in quality and status).
 
Raoul said:
I think Cyborg would win that (imo). Her punching is just a bit too good and I think she's better on the ground. It would easily be the biggest women's fight of all time though (maybe not in PPV buys but definitely in quality and status).
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Aye, Cyborg is the better fighter imo as well as being bigger and stronger. I'd love to see that fight though as both of them are running low on potentially interesting fights.
 
cyberman said:
I spent a whole two minutes trying to think who this Chuck was.
What was I missing? I had to google it

Chuck Liddell didn't even cross my mind!
I love the man but its suicide by cop if this happens.
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I don't see how it would happen thank feck. Jones is still under contract with UFC presumably and suspended, and in any case surely no athletic commission would sanction it? It looks like Chuck vs Tito III is going to happen though, and I know already that I'll gladly watch it.
 
Think Chuck is just trying to boost his profile for his proposed bout with Tito.

I love Chuck but the man's 48 now and this is definitely a younger mans game. No way they would commission him fighting Jon Jones either!
 
You lot are cruel. Throwing more lambs to Cyborg slaughter. :nono:

They really have no idea what to do with her. Should've been heavier female divisions set up ages ago and it's farcical Cyborg is allowed to run roughshod over women who have no business being in there with her from the outset.
 
JP77 said:
Gastelum/Jacare was awesome. Two proper tough, likeable guys going at it and putting on a show as expected.

I'd love to see Gastelum/Whittaker for the title at some point. Two young dudes in their prime with tonnes of quality. No idea where they go once Whittaker/Romero fight. Weidman beat Gastelum last year but he's still out due to surgery and he's only had a one fight win streak after losing three in a row. Gastelum just beat Jacare but how do you give him a title shot ahead of Weidman when Weidman beat him? With Rockhold moving up to LHW I'm not sure what they give Gastelum or Weidman next. Maybe Gastelum get's the loser of next months title fight.
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Props to Weidman beating Gastelum, but honestly I seriously doubt that would happen again should they meet for a 2nd time.
 
Raoul said:
I think Cyborg would win that (imo). Her punching is just a bit too good and I think she's better on the ground. It would easily be the biggest women's fight of all time though (maybe not in PPV buys but definitely in quality and status).
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Scheva v JJ @ 125 would be the ultimate for me. Though the .natural size advantage for Valentina ( and ground game) would make her a clear favourite.
 
RedFish said:
Scheva v JJ @ 125 would be the ultimate for me. Though the .natural size advantage for Valentina ( and ground game) would make her a clear favourite.
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Not sure if I could get excited about that. Sheva is probably just as good as Nunes at 135 and JJ has lost her last two at 115, so I don't entirely see how should would survive against Sheva at 125.

If JJ was unbeaten and Sheva had beaten Nunes once then this would be a lot more exciting imo.
 
RedFish said:
Props to Weidman beating Gastelum, but honestly I seriously doubt that would happen again should they meet for a 2nd time.
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is Weidman injured, don't think he's fought since beating Gastelum. He actually beat him pretty handily in that fight, he did get caught that one time at end of the round but he dominated that fight otherwise
 
UFC Russia announced sept 15th, it's not a ppv so no mega Khabib fight. Good chance though for some of the talented Russians to showcase their skills.
 
poleglass red said:
UFC Russia announced sept 15th, it's not a ppv so no mega Khabib fight. Good chance though for some of the talented Russians to showcase their skills.
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Yeah good call. Dana has been teasing an event in Russia for a while and with so many Dagestani (and other Russian) fighters emerging at the moment, it was important for him to hold an event there since many of these fighters are struggling to get US visas. It would be hard to make this a PPV since it would be off peak hours for US viewers (who buy nearly all of the PPV events).
 
poleglass red said:
is Weidman injured, don't think he's fought since beating Gastelum. He actually beat him pretty handily in that fight, he did get caught that one time at end of the round but he dominated that fight otherwise
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Yeah he's got a long term injury from what I've read.

poleglass red said:
UFC Russia announced sept 15th, it's not a ppv so no mega Khabib fight. Good chance though for some of the talented Russians to showcase their skills.
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Let's take bets. How many Magomeds will be fighting?
 
I just stumbled across this when browsing another forum and found it interesting.

US President Teddy Roosevelt boxed, wrestled, and practiced jiu-jitsu.
Born in 1858 and died in 1919.
He only gave up boxing after suffering some damage to his vision during a sparring match while he was President.
He also put on matches between American wrestlers and Japanese jiu-jitsu experts and made written assessments of the matchups.
Teddy's descriptions were echoed 90 years later when wrestlers met jiu-jitsu men in the UFC:

"I still box with Grant, who has now become the champion middleweight wrestler of the United States. Yesterday afternoon we had Professor Yamashita up here to wrestle with Grant. It was very interesting, but of course jiu jitsu and our wrestling are so far apart that it is difficult to make any comparison between them. Wrestling is simply a sport with rules almost as conventional as those of tennis, while jiu jitsu is really meant for practice in killing or disabling our adversary. In consequence, Grant did not know what to do except to put Yamashita on his back, and Yamashita was perfectly content to be on his back. Inside of a minute Yamashita had choked Grant, and inside of two minutes more he got an elbow hold on him that would have enabled him to break his arm; so that there is no question but that he could have put Grant out. So far this made it evident that the jiu jitsu man could handle the ordinary wrestler. But Grant, in the actual wrestling and throwing was about as good as the Japanese, and he was so much stronger that he evidently hurt and wore out the Japanese. With a little practice in the art I am sure that one of our big wrestlers or boxers, simply because of his greatly superior strength, would be able to kill any of those Japanese, who though very good men for their inches and pounds are altogether too small to hold their own against big, powerful, quick men who are as well trained." - Theodore Roosevelt, Feb 1905.
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If the quotes are legitimate, and they seem to be , it's a nice historical curiosity that Teddy Roosevelt of all people had a pretty good insight into how some of the style vs style matchups in UFC would tend to play out long before organised MMA (or even Brazilan Ju jitsu) were even properly conceived.
 
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