But who knows, you could prob make an argument for anyone winning any round but 4 which I thought Shev won decisively.
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Nunez will probably win, cause you "have to beat the champion", but in my opinion, Schevchenko won the fight.
They will feck over Shev
Bullshit.
That's an absolutely awful decision. Shevchenko won that fight.
Thought Shevchenko got that
Bad decision, atleast if you take into consideration that Nunez had open hand the entire fight, and should have had a point removed.
I thought Shev won 3-2, but, it was so close, you could probably make a strong argument for either fighter winning 5-0 or 4-1.
Didn't know takedown and sitting on your opponent was worth so much
Unbelievable. The take down was as weak a takedown as it gets. Nunes basically just used it as a rest break and even when they were on the ground Shevchenko was doing more damage from the ground.
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I had Schevchenko winning 2, 3 and 4. Maybe even 5, Nunes did nothing what so ever with the takedown. The first was a takedown from Schechenko where Nunes managed to squeeze out and get her back but did nothing, the second Nunes did absolutely nothing and in fact Schevchenko was the one landing strikes from the bottom.
It was a hard fight to score because both weren't really doing much. I felt Valentina could've pushed the action more in the later rounds with her technical striking but she opted to fight with her back to cage for 5 rounds and it cost her on the scorecards.
Very impressed with Henry Cejudo. He looked great last night.
Very impressed with Henry Cejudo. He looked great last night.
That main event was a load of shite. Do not want to see part 3 of that
RDA looks a beast at 170
RDA looks a beast at 170
Shevchenko won that in my eyes. Landed the better shots, even from the bottom.
RDA and my boy Cejudo smashed it.
RDA and my boy Cejudo smashed it.
I thought it was captivating. I actually have a lot more respect for Tyron Woodley after watching the Nunes-Sheva fight. Highly technical stuff where neither fighter could fully commit without opening themselves up to the other's counters.
Shevchenko got robbed. She should get another rematch.
Wouldn't surprise me if Dana gives her another shot since he would almost certainly love to feck with Nunes.
Alternatively Holly Holm may get a shot, but that would make for a less interesting fight since most people now know that Shevchenko is the best fighter in the division.
I can't believe the one judge that had Shevchenko winning, gave the 4th round to Nunes, the clearest round of the fight in the other direction
. Also Nunes winning the 2nd is ludicrous. Makes you despair for the judging standards. The only scorecard that even makes sense is the middle one, even though I think round 5 should have been scored the other way.The fight was close and I though Val just edged it. Take down itself shouldn't mean much, it should be about what you do with it and Val was firing from the bottom while Amanda did nothing. I thought it was an interesting fight though and would happily see them go again, maybe not straight away but after a couple more fights. Both clearly at the top of that division imo.
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Shevchenko needed to put a stamp on it being the challenger. When is this close, the benefit of the doubt we'll always go to the champion, whether said champion deserved it or not.
Yeah agree with this. I think Shevchenko edged it too for me. But never rely on judges when it's a tight call, they'll usually always go for the champ. In the last round she probably should have just gone all out, but easier said than done of course!
Agreed. fecking judges are so random with their shit.
Remember TJ vs Cruz... Much closer fight, champion with major offensive output and the more significant strikes, yet they went with Cruz.
Unless a challenger comes and get a finish or a absolutely clear victory like Cody did to Cruz, the belt should remain with the Champ.
I know that's sort of an unwritten rule, but then what's the point of the decision rule?
Schevchenko clearly won the match, so she should be the new champion.
If that's how it's going to be, let them just fight till one is knocked out, or collapse on the floor after 97 rounds.
Screw this 5 rounds stuff... let them just fight till one is done.
There's no doubt in my mind that she won the fight.
Schevchenko clearly won the match, so she should be the new champion.
If that's how it's going to be, let them just fight till one is knocked out, or collapse on the floor after 97 rounds.
Screw this 5 rounds stuff... let them just fight till one is done.
There's no doubt in my mind that she won the fight.
This another thing that I find annoying. When two fighters fight it should be scored based on the fight and the Champion should not have some sort of perceived advantage just because they are the champion, where the challenger has to win decisively otherwise they lose.
That's strange to me, it's like an unfair handicap on the challenger.
It would be, although I don't actually know if this exists or if it just exists in the minds of observers. If you look at the scorecard for this last fight, it just seemed like 3 random judges going with what they thought they saw, as opposed to 3 judges who colluded that Shevchenko would have to win decisively otherwise Nunes would keep the belt.
Its certainly something I have seen alluded to before. That a challenger needs to win decisively if they are to take a decision.
I remember years ago not long after I really began to love the sport, Shogun in my eyes beat Machida on points but Machida got the nod. And we have seen it a few times since.
But I am not sure it’s done purposely
I remember years ago not long after I really began to love the sport, Shogun in my eyes beat Machida on points but Machida got the nod. And we have seen it a few times since.
But I am not sure it’s done purposely
Another act of idiocy that has backfired on the UFC
But how to make it fair and bulletproof then? After a close fight, the judges are a lottery, you had to be inside their heads to know why they scored like they did, there are no guidelines for that. A lot of times doesn't make sense comparing their scorecards.
Some judges maybe consider how you ended the fight more important than how you did in the first rounds (after all, this is a fight to the death, the last man standing wins no matter what happened before).
or imagine MM is defending his belt for the 10th time, and the fight stats were the same for both fighters, both bloody in the end, but the challenger did one more takedown... would you gave him the belt? personally i wouldn't.
I would seriously propose that the challenger starts with -1 point (for title fights). That would make it much easier to judge.
Also, it would prevent fighters to stall and just move around looking to win by points or countering, instead of taking the fight to the champion. 25 minutes is enough time to finish or win a fight convincingly.
I think Wonderboy, Maia and now Shevchenko (specially) could have done so much better if they had a sense of urgency.
until they bring new rules and guidelines, we will have to keep suffering controversial decisions. (or until some infallible robot take over the scoring)
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This is completely wrong imo. Fights shouldn't be weighted towards the champions, they should be fair 50/50 propositions where whoever scores more points wins. There is no magical rule where challengers have to be the aggressors and "take the fight" to the champs. Its a tactical battle based on the respective, nuanced skills of each fighter and the best fighter should win.
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that's how it should be but in reality it's not working.
TJ won his fight vs Cruz, lost the belt.
Valentina won vs Amanda, didn't get the belt.
close fights are gonna be controversial because it's ultimately 3 humans that have the last word.
Or we learn to live with it without complaining (like Valentina post fight and all those who bet on her to win) or we introduce new guidelines to prevent this bad calls.
Should go back to strike force rules
you mean PRIDE?
That's exactly what I meant
That's exactly what I meant
hahaha i wasn't following religiously back then so i can't remember how that actually worked.
They should get rid of points decisions altogether. Keep fighting until someone wins or someone quits. Fannies.
Or when someone's mom yells from the window, that the dinner is ready, and you have to get home ASAP, or else!