Very classy as usual from DC. He's taken a lot of shit over the past couple of years during his various spats with Jones, and he always conducted himself with a lot of maturity. He's a worthy champ until someone knocks him off without cheating.
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Very classy as usual from DC. He's taken a lot of shit over the past couple of years during his various spats with Jones, and he always conducted himself with a lot of maturity. He's a worthy champ until someone knocks him off without cheating.
This is why I have a hard to believing Jones took something. He knows that testing is intense, random, and frequent - especially leading up to fights. It would be as if Jones was thinking "let me just take one dose of Turanibol the week of the fight. Its not enough for a complete cycle so I may not benefit from it, but at least I'll feel like it may help me and after I get caught, I'll just give the belt back to DC and take a 4 year suspension".
If it was just this time i would maybe give him the benefit of the doubt just like i did last year but twice in a year points to a person trying everything to try to beat the system.
It doesn't make any sense because Jones shouldn't need it and he would obviously know theres a very good chance he will get caught. But he has a history of doing really dumb things while thinking he can get away with it.
Shame i think this is basically his career over, i was looking forward to watching him regularly again.
What's the deal with earnings he made from the fight? Surely there's a financial punishment?
He may have to give up his actual purse (not sure), but I doubt they will take away his PPV points as it was his presence that really made the card, and he did show up and fight.
as far as Im aware he gets to keep his agreed fee to turn up on the night
But any win bonus or fight of the night gets taken away
Plus I think the last time he was busted they made a point of saying he was being punished for his reckless approach to what he was taking? So even if he somehow proved he hadn't taken it deliberately this time he'd still be fecked for being reckless yet again.
Hard to think of a scenario here where he isn't unbelievably stupid in one way or another.
Then add in the dodgy testosterone levels at UFC 182, and the "rumour" of him hiding under the cage from USADA, it's almost laughable for him to try convince us he's clean.
I don't know a lot about the process but isn't it possible his masking agent has failed him? Or the dehydration from the weight cut has made it easier to detect?
Yeah he's just a monumental feck up, all the talent in the world, in a position to make a shit loads of money and be the best ever and he thought he could party, drink drive,take drugs and do steroids and get away with it all.
Possibly i'm not sure to be honest mate, from listening to people on Youtube like Rogan discussing it apparently this Turinabol stuff is an old school eastern european steroid that doesn't show up in blood tests and i think i heard them say after taking it, it doesn't stay in the system long.
It only shows up in piss tests, so maybe he just thought he would roll the dice and hope Usada didn't know about it or weren't checking for it or it was out of his system when they tested him. Who knows.
With others fighters especially older ones while you can't condone it you can maybe understand taking steroids, but with Jones it's just unbelievably stupid. He's one of the best ever, young and in his prime.
Playing devils advocate here - if the lab erroneously fecked up his sample, what incentive would they have to correct themselves when doing so would result in them completely losing their own legitimacy, not to mention they would get blacklisted and would likely go out of business.
I'm no Jones fan or hater, but my only doubt about it is the fact that he passed all the random tests leading up to the fight then gets caught on the test he knew was coming... Seems a bit off but it's his previous behaviour that will mean no one trusts him.
Daft choice imo. She's the best fighter at 135 and should stay there. There aren't enough fighters at 125 yet.
It does kind of make sense when you think of it, the one test he knew was coming therefore he would know when the substance would be out of his body if it was pure, if it was tainted it lasts a little longer which he/ his advisers wouldn't have accounted for.
It makes total sense @Raoul .. She is a small 135, so she can't fight at her best.
At 125 chances are she will be the champion sooner than later, so it will be better financially too.
Now, tell me you wouldn't enjoy Valentina doing her debut against Roxy
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(she is the number 1 seed on the current TUF season, so i guess she could win it...)
It would be murder but fun to watch.
At 125 chances are she will be the champion sooner than later, so it will be better financially too.
Now, tell me you wouldn't enjoy Valentina doing her debut against Roxy
:(she is the number 1 seed on the current TUF season, so i guess she could win it...)
It would be murder but fun to watch.
He's a fool.
I'm inclined to agree with Schaub, who may have many moments of cockwomblery but his assessment of Jones was spot on and pretty savage. [Paraphrased but accurate]
"That guy doesn't exist to me anymore. I'm done. I'm out. Jones is not a UFC fighter anymore. He's not the greatest light-heavyweight of all time. He's not on my pound for pound list. He's done. He can go fight in Japan juiced to the gills and I'll watch that. But he's not a UFC fighter to me anymore"
I'd follow a logical chain of;
Tester: "Holy sh1t Boss, Jones has some juice in this test"
Boss: "Back away from the table. Do not touch anything. Do not tell anyone. Word does not leave this room until we've retested while checking all controls.
I can't speak for whether they'd test the B sample without reporting the A results. I assume not. But the whole thing would have been kept quiet unless they were 100% sure.
It was a huge fight with a huge audience. I don't think they'd roll the dice on a positive result.
Had they contaminated a sample by accident I could see them just calling it clean to cover their butt. Can't see it applying in the other direction.
Coach Wink thinks it may have been something in what Jones took to rehydrate after the weigh in.
It makes total sense @Raoul .. She is a small 135, so she can't fight at her best.
At 125 chances are she will be the champion sooner than later, so it will be better financially too.
Now, tell me you wouldn't enjoy Valentina doing her debut against Roxy
(she is the number 1 seed on the current TUF season, so i guess she could win it...)
It would be murder but fun to watch.
Roxy being seeded number one sums up everything about the beginning of the 125 division. Lovely person but she'll get destroyed against any decent fighter. I don't think she'll win TUF anyway.
I said the other day Valentina should stick to 135. I have no problem with her actually going to 125 but don't see it as a must because she's arguably the best at 135 and the last thing that division needs right now is to lose it's top fighters with Holm already floating between 135 and 145.
125 would be a better weight for Joanna/Valentina to potentially meet at though
I get what you're saying theres always the possibility however small that Usada can contaminate a sample, but thats why they split your sample into A and B. So if something turns up in A they then test B if it turns up in that too then its something that was in the fighters system.
I imagine the chances of the same substance contaminating both A and B samples while in the possession of USADA, and it being an old school east european steroid must be astronomical. It seems much more likely that the fighter with a history of failing drug tests stupidly took something.
Thats pretty much how i feel too, doubt he'll fight again and probably not in the UFC. Does anyone know if it's possible for him to go and fight in Rizin etc.?
Would or could the UFC stop him?
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I don't see why he can't go fight elsewhere. Could he go to Bellator ?
He's still under contract with the UFC, so if i had to guess the UFC won't want him fighting for their direct rival. Also not sure how Usada bans work, don't know if he's banned from fighting just in the US for any company.
I don't think Belator work with USADA. In fact, I don't think they use anyone other than the state testing where a particular event is held. I don't think Dana can force Jon to stay in the UFC if he can't fight. He does after all still have to earn a living.
Yeah not sure what his options are really, if he fights for another organisation without permission from the UFC then i suppose they will sure him for breach of contract. But as you say they can't stop him from fighting somewhere else if he really wants to.
The only similar case i can think of was when Bigfoot tested positive for something years ago in i think it was strikeforce, he was given a 12 month ban but went and fought in Japan a few months later against the athletic commissions advice. But he ended up in the UFC so there weren't any real consequences.
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185 lbs.: Luke Rockhold vs. David Branch
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170 lbs.: Thiago Alves vs. Mike Perry FIGHT CANCELLED (FULL STORY HERE)
170 lbs.: Mike Perry vs. Alex Reyes
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155 lbs.: Gregor Gillespie vs. Jason Gonzalez
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155 lbs.: Tony Martin vs. Olivier Aubin-Mercier
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(Just add 5 hours for UK times)
185 lbs.: Luke Rockhold vs. David Branch
UFC Fight Night 116 Main Card On FOX Sports 1 (10 p.m. ET):
170 lbs.: Thiago Alves vs. Mike Perry FIGHT CANCELLED (FULL STORY HERE)
170 lbs.: Mike Perry vs. Alex Reyes
185 lbs.: Hector Lombard vs. Anthony Smith
155 lbs.: Gregor Gillespie vs. Jason Gonzalez
170 lbs.: Sergio Moraes vs. Kamaru Usman
265 lbs.: Justin Ledet vs. Zu Anyanwu
UFC Fight Night 116 Prelims On FOX Sports 1 (8 p.m. ET):
155 lbs.: Tony Martin vs. Olivier Aubin-Mercier
265 lbs.: Anthony Hamilton vs. Daniel Spitz
185 lbs.: Uriah Hall vs. Krzysztof Jotko
135 lbs.: Felipe Arantes vs. Luke Sanders CANCELED (FULL STORY HERE)
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Roxy being seeded number one sums up everything about the beginning of the 125 division. Lovely person but she'll get destroyed against any decent fighter. I don't think she'll win TUF anyway.
I said the other day Valentina should stick to 135. I have no problem with her actually going to 125 but don't see it as a must because she's arguably the best at 135 and the last thing that division needs right now is to lose it's top fighters with Holm already floating between 135 and 145.
125 would be a better weight for Joanna/Valentina to potentially meet at though
I'd worry Valentina would walk through JJs low kicks and jab. She's as technically gifted (almost) but much bigger. You know what they say in boxing - the good big guy beats the good smaller guy. Obviously it's not so simple but JJ hasn't finished that many of her fights and Valentina would be X times more difficult in that respect. Still 2 of my favourite fighters in MMA due to their technical excellence.
Good start for the night. Saggo getting knocked out cold.
3 episodes in and i got Montana to win it so far. Seems to have the strongest wrestling and ground game, which should be enough.
3 episodes in and i got Montana to win it so far. Seems to have the strongest wrestling and ground game, which should be enough.
Uriah Hall can flick that switch.
Incredible comeback from Hall.
Jotko with 2 straight loses.
Jotko with 2 straight loses.
Well that was quick.
This Ledet guy looks funny.
Good performance from Rockhold. A somewhat convincing comeback.
Rockhold is such a fecking bellend....absolute cnut...probably thought Canelo won the fight tonight as well.
Smart move taking the fight to the ground. His GnP is vicious. His stand up still looking suspicious.
what a great night of fights, so many finishes.
what a great night of fights, so many finishes.
Other than possibly Whitaker, I can't see anyone beating Rockhold. Unless of course its a one off situation where he gets clipped by someone like Bisping (which I doubt will happen again).
Why what did he do ?
A shame Mousasi is gone.
After the fight Rockhold was talking of moving up to LHW as soon as DC retires or move up to HW. Not happy with the cutting.