The MMA thread

George Owen said:
hahaha i wasn't following religiously back then so i can't remember how that actually worked.
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I don't agree with all pride rules but the one I'm talking about refers to decisions, where the three judges score the fight on its entirety, and not round by round.

Having said that, the nunes v shevchenko fight would still have been hard to call :lol:

However, Bisping would have lost to Hendo and Wonder boy would have lost to Tyron the first time round (there are no draws)
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I don't agree with all pride rules but the one I'm talking about refers to decisions, where the three judges score the fight on its entirety, and not round by round.

Having said that, the nunes v shevchenko fight would still have been hard to call :lol:

However, Bisping would have lost to Hendo and Wonder boy would have lost to Tyron the first time round (there are no draws)
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Exactly. Back then, i guess it worked because everyone was on Roid rage, so tactics and gameplan were out of the window as soon as the fight started. :lol:

But with the professional fighters of today... run run run and attack in the last 20 seconds of the fight.

For the fight Jones vs Gustafsson, a lot of people gave it to Gus based on the fight judged round by round, but Jones was obviously winning in the end so with the PRIDE rules he would have won. He still got the nod with the round by round judging...

it's just a mess.

fight to the death like @duffer says or until someone throws the towel. (or my -1 point rule :cool:)
 
Here are a few options of they can't KO each other or win decisively within the round limit:

1. Ref brings out goal posts and we go to sudden death penalties.

2. Rock, Paper, Scissors.

3. They have to stand there and punch each other one at a time until one is out cold. Champ goes first.
 
Grylte said:
I know that's sort of an unwritten rule, but then what's the point of the decision rule?
Schevchenko clearly won the match, so she should be the new champion.

If that's how it's going to be, let them just fight till one is knocked out, or collapse on the floor after 97 rounds.
Screw this 5 rounds stuff... let them just fight till one is done.
There's no doubt in my mind that she won the fight.
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http://mmadecisions.com/decision/8400/Amanda-Nunes-vs-Valentina-Shevchenko

Media scorecards. 10 for Nunes. 10 for Shev. 2 draws.

2 out of 3 judges went with Nunes/

In no way was it "clear".
 
My opinion is "you have to beat the champion decisively" is complete bullshit. If you think the challenger edged 3 rounds, score them 3 rounds.

However, you can't cry robbery unless you win decisively. And that goes for both Nunes and Shev. Either could have lost and they have no right to complain about being robbed, if you're going to fight a razor close fight, just accept the scores on the night.
 
Haven't rewatched the fight, but I thought Valentina won that. First round I had for Nunes but after that Scheva showed far more purpose and aggression , a wicked variety of punches and thunderous snap front kicks. She did it all, and though Nunes continued to walk Valentina down , I thought she was picked off skillfully on the counter. Annoyed about the result. What to do?!!!!
 
I really have a hard time believing this. No one can possibly be that dumb so as to take a steroid that they knew would get detected just before the biggest fight of their life.
 
Shevchenko makes some good points here. She apparently didn't get hit in the face once during the entire fight and somehow still managed to lose. (scroll right)

 
Terrible looser.

She should know by now that a close fight can go either way. Next time she should go for the finish instead of playing safe.

Although i think she will move down to 125... She seems scared or over respecting of bigger opponents.
 
George Owen said:
Terrible looser.

She should know by now that a close fight can go either way. Next time she should go for the finish instead of playing safe.

Although i think she will move down to 125... She seems scared or over respecting of bigger opponents.
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There is no 125 division at the moment and even if there were she would be dumb to go down since there aren't enough fighters to populate it.

As for this fight, she already said she respects the judges decision but still disagrees with them. How much more conciliatory can a person possibly be after being widely regarded as having been screwed by the judges.

As for Nunes, I expected her to improve after her performances against Tate and Rousey, but she seemed timid and lacking in any sort of cohesive strategy other than just leg kicks.
 
Raoul said:
There is no 125 division at the moment and even if there were she would be dumb to go down since there aren't enough fighters to populate it.

As for this fight, she already said she respects the judges decision but still disagrees with them. How much more conciliatory can a person possibly be after being widely regarded as having been screwed by the judges.

As for Nunes, I expected her to improve after her performances against Tate and Rousey, but she seemed timid and lacking in any sort of cohesive strategy other than just leg kicks.
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Just say nothing and move on. What's the point in that statement? won't change anything. Not the first and not the last bad scoring.

Both fighters were unimpressive and playing the same dangerous game (letting the judges decide, in all it's randomness).
 
George Owen said:
Just say nothing and move on. What's the point in that statement? won't change anything. Not the first and not the last bad scoring.

Both fighters were unimpressive and playing the same dangerous game (letting the judges decide, in all it's randomness).
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Well she has every right to make a statement given that most people thought she won the fight. She's not attempting to change the final result by speaking out - just connecting with people who supported her.
 
nah, just excuses.

The majority of people pissed with the decision are biased anyway. A lot of people were betting on her (including me).

At my house at least, when the fight ended, we just look at each other trying to figure out who won that.

the fight was fecking close. Valentina is deluded if she thinks otherwise.

Also: http://mmadecisions.com/decision/8400/Amanda-Nunes-vs-Valentina-Shevchenko

yeah she has the right to do whatever she wants, but i think it doesn't reflect good on her. She is looking like a sore looser.
 
George Owen said:
nah, just excuses.

The majority of people pissed with the decision are biased anyway. A lot of people were betting on her (including me).

At my house at least, when the fight ended, we just look at each other trying to figure out who won that.

the fight was fecking close. Valentina is deluded if she thinks otherwise.

Also: http://mmadecisions.com/decision/8400/Amanda-Nunes-vs-Valentina-Shevchenko

yeah she has the right to do whatever she wants, but i think it doesn't reflect good on her. She is looking like a sore looser.
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All that link shows is that the judges varied wildly on who won which round. The lack of consistency in their scoring just shows they don't know what the feck they were doing. At least the fans on that site seemed to think Shevchenko won by a nearly 2-1 margin.
 
Raoul said:
All that link shows is that the judges varied wildly on who won which round. The lack of consistency in their scoring just shows they don't know what the feck they were doing. At least the fans on that site seemed to think Shevchenko won by a nearly 2-1 margin.
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i was referring to the media scores...



The judges could have scored in any way and it would have been acceptable result (a draw specially).
 
George Owen said:
Terrible looser.

She should know by now that a close fight can go either way. Next time she should go for the finish instead of playing safe.

Although i think she will move down to 125... She seems scared or over respecting of bigger opponents.
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She shouldn't have to go for the finish any more than. Nunes. If anything it was Nunes who was the more cautious rigidly sticking to her gameplan of keeping Valentina at bay and looking for the big right hand. Valentina isn't stupid , why should she go all out and risk getting KOed by being reckless. Nunes has power, so personally I thought Scheva showed far more aggression and technique and variety doing enough, I felt to win the last 4 rounds, definitely 2, 3 and 4 and the 5th also for me.
 
George Owen said:
@Raoul

The current season of the ultimate fighter will crown the first flyweight women champion of the UFC.

Shevchenko would be smart to fight the winner.
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I see no need for her to drop weight. She's only been beaten in the UFC twice and that's by Nunes in two questionable decisions. It'll be interesting to see if they make a rematch for this fight or not. I'd rather Holm go up to fight Cyborg and if she does, Shevchenko is the only person right now that can challenge Nunes in that division. I'm hoping we get Shevchenko/Joanna at some stage too.

On Nunes, I'm not much of a fan of hers but I think her cardio issues clearly effected her in this fight in that it made her much more reserved. She has to fight differently not only against a fighter like Shevchenko but also knowing it's a five round fight, so can't get bailed out by going for it knowing there's just three rounds. It's clearly something that has played on her mind because she's been criticised for her stamina quite a bit and she clearly wanted to prove a point to people. I'd expect a third fight to pan out in a very similar way to this one.

In better news at 115, Namajunas/Joanna is finally set for the title at 217 :drool:
 
RedFish said:
She shouldn't have to go for the finish any more than. Nunes. If anything it was Nunes who was the more cautious rigidly sticking to her gameplan of keeping Valentina at bay and looking for the big right hand. Valentina isn't stupid , why should she go all out and risk getting KOed by being reckless. Nunes has power, so personally I thought Scheva showed far more aggression and technique and variety doing enough, I felt to win the last 4 rounds, definitely 2, 3 and 4 and the 5th also for me.
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That's what I've been saying. Both fighters risked the decision not going their way. Neither did enough.
 
JP77 said:
I see no need for her to drop weight. She's only been beaten in the UFC twice and that's by Nunes in two questionable decisions. It'll be interesting to see if they make a rematch for this fight or not. I'd rather Holm go up to fight Cyborg and if she does, Shevchenko is the only person right now that can challenge Nunes in that division. I'm hoping we get Shevchenko/Joanna at some stage too.

On Nunes, I'm not much of a fan of hers but I think her cardio issues clearly effected her in this fight in that it made her much more reserved. She has to fight differently not only against a fighter like Shevchenko but also knowing it's a five round fight, so can't get bailed out by going for it knowing there's just three rounds. It's clearly something that has played on her mind because she's been criticised for her stamina quite a bit and she clearly wanted to prove a point to people. I'd expect a third fight to pan out in a very similar way to this one.

In better news at 115, Namajunas/Joanna is finally set for the title at 217 :drool:
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Correct. It could be daft for a fighter who many consider the best fighter at Bantamweight to move to another division for no reason at all. Her future is at Bantamweight and she will eventually get the belt. If anything, Nunes should consider moving up to 145 since her weight cut at BW is increasingly difficult, although I sense she's a bit scared to take on Cyborg. That only leaves a potential fight with Holm or a Shevchenko rematch on the table.
 
I honestly don't know a single person who gets excited about fights in that division, even those including MM.
 
Raoul said:
I honestly don't know a single person who gets excited about fights in that division, even those including MM.
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It's like watching the French or German league :lol:
 
Raoul said:
After Cejudo's performance last weekend, I think a MM rematch may be in order. I would be vaguely interested in watching that.
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Yeah. If anyone is gonna beat DJ, it's Cejudo, with his Olympic gold standard wrestling and now his much improved striking. I think he was rushed the first time round.

George Owen said:
Jones vs DC 2 confirmed overturned to No-Contest.

DC champ again.
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JJ... What an absolute bum and utter waste of great sperm.
 
Things like this are exactly why I stopped being a fan of Jones and began to dislike him. Early in his career before he became the champion I was really getting behind him but after a while I just stopped digging his personality and the way he was. At stages of his career he came across as fake and putting on a persona for the cameras, I think the feud with DC opened up a lot of peoples eyes. You see the difference between pre Jones in that and the way he started acting after that. I hated how DC was booed by fans yet Jones was cheered despite the shit he had done. Just get the impression he's been fake and put on a persona throughout a lot of his career and isn't this nice humble guy that he tried to portray so much prior to the DC stuff.

100% this opens up question marks on his entire career. Is it a coincidence that after returning from his ban against OSP that it's the most ordinary Jones has looked? At the same we could maybe have said ring rust but with him now possibly cheating again it opens up questions on if that performance was actually down to it being one of the first times he hadn't been taking something (he still dominated the fight but didn't look like the same Jon Jones as usual). Cormier has handled the previous one and this one brilliantly, I just don't get how so many turned on the guy in favour of Jones throughout both of those periods in the build up to the two fights.



"You don't cheat the sports, you don't cheat the fans, you don't cheat me. You have all the psyichal advantages, sir. You're 30 years old, you're 6ft 4, you've got 85 inch reach. I'm 38 years old, I would love to take stuff and not have to wake up every morning and not have to walk down my stairs sideways and just get back to training. It's unfortunate, we had one of the biggest fights of the year and once again this guy has made a mockery of the sport..."

And he's right. Jones has the build and looks like he has all of the tools but when you fail yet another test for PED's, how can you not question this mans career and what he's been capable of doing?
 
A lot of people like Jones over DC because he's more exciting in the cage but now with the failed tests, I think people will not be as kind to him. But then again, a lot of MMA fans are halfwits, like Liverpool fans wearing Suarez shirts.
 
I knew Jones was a fake not long after he broke through. Nothing about him showing his real personality was a surprise for me, it was always going to come out.

Got to say its been amusing watching people hold out hope that there has been a mistake with the testing, or that he had his drink spiked, or USADA have fecked up and whatever other conspiracy theories have been going around. Just get it, he's a feck up. Even Dana has given up on him.

Won't miss his fighting style either. All oblique kicks and eye pokes. The 'greatest ever' is fecking infuriating too when you consider the career of Anderson Silva and lengths he went to to not only to challenge himself but to entertain.
 
MannyB said:
I knew Jones was a fake not long after he broke through. Nothing about him showing his real personality was a surprise for me, it was always going to come out.

Got to say its been amusing watching people hold out hope that there has been a mistake with the testing, or that he had his drink spiked, or USADA have fecked up and whatever other conspiracy theories have been going around. Just get it, he's a feck up. Even Dana has given up on him.

Won't miss his fighting style either. All oblique kicks and eye pokes. The 'greatest ever' is fecking infuriating too when you consider the career of Anderson Silva and lengths he went to to not only to challenge himself but to entertain.
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Not like Silva has ever tested positive!
 
Dominos said:
Not like Silva has ever tested positive!
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Difference being Silva was passing the exact same tests everyone else in his era had to take. He failed one after his leg break. He was also fighting guys with TRT exemptions (to help them of the juice) and as far as I know, Silva has never had one or required one.

Jones is failing drug tests that others in his era are passing seemingly with no issue.
 
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