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Dirty Schwein said:
That would make sense but Cruz pretty much said he wants a rest and that TJ should probably get next shot. Cody also mentioned TJ immediately after the fight. Dana also said TJ will get next shot.

After the way he schooled Lineker, denying him title shot would be a joke. But it would be funny seeing TJ lose his Shit if he doesn't get the shot.
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100%, I feel bad for the fighters, they seem to be the only people who really put any stock in the rankings anymore.
 
Pscholes18 said:
It almost looks like she took the fight just for the money...doesn't even look liked she trained...never once tried to close the distance and take Nunes down....just stood there and wait for Herb to stop it.
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simonhch said:
Yep. That was hilariously bad. She looked like an amateur out there. I mean, she was always a good amount of smoke and mirrors anyway, because her striking form is nothing short of embarrassing for a pro fighter. I've trained recreational fighters who hit better than that. But she didn't even, as you both say, play to her strengths.
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Slevs said:
Can't believe how stupid Ronda was trying to box with Nunes. Thought she'd be better than that.
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The full fight is posted on this page, watch her try to grab Nunes multiple times, but she gets shoved off easily. To get to the clinch she needs to box initially and probably walk through some punches, with actual good strikers like Holm and Nunes she's finding it's not that easy. She has no wrestling takedowns (god knows why she's never learned), she needs the clinch to get her opponent down.

Quite honestly she was badly hurt within 10 seconds and lost all composure and sense of what she was doing, I don't think we can really comment on her gameplan.

The same narrative was pushed in the Holm fight - that Rousey tried to outbox her - if you rewatch it, Holm actually defended several hip throws in the fight, and even had to defend an arm bar attempt on the ground, but no one remembers.

cyberman said:
I've hated him for a long time. From no selling half of Codys landed shots last night to making a big deal about a dubious headbutt to give Dom an out for getting carved up. It was a headbutt folks! I'll show you at the end of the round! It was a headbutt!
Best of all was not being sure Dom landed a shot and saying he 'Wasn't sure Mike but I think he tagged him. He could be hurt Mike, if he was tagged he could be hurt'.
Or overstating Dom's workrate during round 5 and practically begging for a dubious judge decision.
God Im angry again!
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Earthquake said:
"Mike, Cody might need to win round five here. Mike, Mike, he might think he needs to win this round, Cody has to be careful here, this round could be important, we just don't know....."

He may have been watching a different fight on his phone.
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Rogan was gushing over Cody the whole fight, no idea what you were listening to. He said at the start of round 5 Cruz 'probably needs a finish', you'd think rounds 1, 2 and 3 were complete blowouts in Cody's favour based on his commentary when they were fairly competitive, he said he'd be 'very surprised if the judges didn't give it to Cody but the judges do make odd decisions sometimes', and after the fight said 'I think we have a new champion'. He did say Cody was taking a risk by conceding the last round because he thought he had it in the bag, in the overall picture of how he thought the fight went I don't think that's enough to say he was biased towards Cruz.
 
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JP77 said:
Boxing is completely fine, proven with her going out there to make a statement against Bethe and knocking her out. You're basically downplaying her because she uses her main strength in judo.

You said Nunes is a terrible matchup for her, we'll revisit this in just over two months time when IMO Ronda will have absolutely torn through Nunes. I'm sure if that happens though the excuse will then go back to how poor the division is, because God forbid we ever give any credit or praise to Rousey for her talent.
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Still think her boxing is fine? She literally doesn't move her head.

Watching Cody vs Cruz and then Rousey afterwards made me howl at the difference in standard.
 
I know Nunes is a deceptively hard hitter, but there was really no excuse for Rousey to have not started the fight on a full cardio tank without some sort of game plan to move her feet and head to stay out of reach of Nunes' punches. Whoever prepared her game plan, whether that was Edmund or whoever, needs to be seriously questioned. You simply don't take a fighter coming off a massive loss like that and not adequately prepare them with a game plan to mitigate the opponents strengths. Simply inexcusable and if it was Edmund, I would kick him to the curb in a heartbeat.
 
So WSOF had their big event last night. Although apparently Unsurprisingly Fitch v Shields sent everyone to sleep. Also Fitch hinted at retirement afterwards.

Sounded like a decent card otherwise. Interestingly 2 of their biggest names are now out of contract

Their lightweight champ Justin Gaethje who is unbeaten in his career

And their bantham weight champ Marlon Moraes,who has not lost for 5 years

Both from what I've seen and read about would be great additions to the UFC
 
The problem is more Rousey than people are giving credit to. Her coaches mighn't be even average, but they are giving her instructions that she does not comply with as evidenced in the Audio of the fight: http://alaysia4.tumblr.com/post/155198486534/thechlostertalkssports-dirtyboxing-enjoy-the and Rousey's actions during it, show that she is not doing what they've probably been working on for months. What happened out there was all Rousey, for whatever reason, (though I believe it's an obvious display of stage fright or PTSD) her head wasn't in the fight even though she was probably told what to expect as soon as the bell went.

It's easy to round on Edmund, being the thoroughly dislikeable individual that he is, but to absolve Rousey of blame for what went on out there is not doing her any favours. Fact is, she could have a re-animated Cus d'Amato training her for six months and it would do little if she froze like a deer in headlights on the night. The two factors (How poor a striking camp she actually has vis-a-vis her mental state on fight night) should be looked at in isolation.

Rousey has never liked getting hit, and it jars her line thinking every time. She always goes into an instinctive, suicidal bull-rush-for-the-clinch mode, absorbing a number of punches to get in - that worked fine on the tomato cans she was being served up, but it will never work on competent strikers with movement and belief in themselves. Rousey's whole belief system needs to be stripped back and worked on if she is to do anything in this new MMA world and that requires a level of humility and introspection she might not even have in her.

Given she's 30 in a month's time, with a career outside of the ring to try and salvage by now (her stock and persona as some bad ass is not marketable after two humiliating defeats), she might just sack it all off and walk away from the sport entirely.

At 30, it might be too late for her to join another camp, truly take on their values whilst humbling herself and being told all her faults etc. and being just another fighter. She doesn't strike me as the sort who can get over herself and see the bigger picture... or work well with others who won't be yes-men indulging her ego.

From a PR perspective, it would be the angle to sell her from... the broken champ rising from the ashes and all that... but I can't see her getting on board with that.

Incidentally, Jon Jones has sort of offered her the chance to train with him?

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The irony of him being the messenger notwithstanding, it would be interesting to see what could be done with her in a proper camp that worked on her both mentally and physically. It might just be too big a slice of humble pie for her to entertain the idea - what with Holm being there - but it would be her best bet to restore some credibility as win or lose, she wouldn't be humiliated out there again... assuming her stage fright/PTSD trauma can be addressed as well. I do agree with Jones that this is her chance to round her legacy out and not leave the sport in the most undignified manner imaginable.
 
Fortitude said:
The problem is more Rousey than people are giving credit to. Her coaches mighn't be even average, but they are giving her instructions that she does not comply with as evidenced in the Audio of the fight: http://alaysia4.tumblr.com/post/155198486534/thechlostertalkssports-dirtyboxing-enjoy-the and Rousey's actions during it, show that she is not doing what they've probably been working on for months. What happened out there was all Rousey, for whatever reason, (though I believe it's an obvious display of stage fright or PTSD) her head wasn't in the fight even though she was probably told what to expect as soon as the bell went.

It's easy to round on Edmund, being the thoroughly dislikeable individual that he is, but to absolve Rousey of blame for what went on out there is not doing her any favours. Fact is, she could have a re-animated Cus d'Amato training her for six months and it would do little if she froze like a deer in headlights on the night. The two factors (How poor a striking camp she actually has vis-a-vis her mental state on fight night) should be looked at in isolation.

Rousey has never liked getting hit, and it jars her line thinking every time. She always goes into an instinctive, suicidal bull-rush-for-the-clinch mode, absorbing a number of punches to get in - that worked fine on the tomato cans she was being served up, but it will never work on competent strikers with movement and belief in themselves. Rousey's whole belief system needs to be stripped back and worked on if she is to do anything in this new MMA world and that requires a level of humility and introspection she might not even have in her.

Given she's 30 in a month's time, with a career outside of the ring to try and salvage by now (her stock and persona as some bad ass is not marketable after two humiliating defeats), she might just sack it all off and walk away from the sport entirely.

At 30, it might be too late for her to join another camp, truly take on their values whilst humbling herself and being told all her faults etc. and being just another fighter. She doesn't strike me as the sort who can get over herself and see the bigger picture... or work well with others who won't be yes-men indulging her ego.

From a PR perspective, it would be the angle to sell her from... the broken champ rising from the ashes and all that... but I can't see her getting on board with that.

Incidentally, Jon Jones has sort of offered her the chance to train with him?

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The irony of him being the messenger notwithstanding, it would be interesting to see what could be done with her in a proper camp that worked on her both mentally and physically. It might just be too big a slice of humble pie for her to entertain the idea - what with Holm being there - but it would be her best bet to restore some credibility as win or lose, she wouldn't be humiliated out there again... assuming her stage fright/PTSD trauma can be addressed as well. I do agree with Jones that this is her chance to round her legacy out and not leave the sport in the most undignified manner imaginable.
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I'd love to see her join Jackson-Winklejohn MMA, just to see what they could do with her and how different she would be at the end of it, just 6 months in New Mexico may be all she needs.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
I'd love to see her join Jackson-Winklejohn MMA, just to see what they could do with her and how different she would be at the end of it, just 6 months in New Mexico may be all she needs.
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Personally, I think it's too late for her, so set in her ways is she. It would be quite incredible if they could fix so many of the broken things in her stand-up... getting her head off the centre line, chin tucked and reflexive would be a miracle before striking is even added to the mix.

If it were possible to get her to wrestle and shoot as a wrestler would, or is capable of, it could negate so many of her obvious weaknesses by having her circumvent as much of the striking game as possible, but getting a world-class Judoka to effectively go against their grappling principles is probably next to impossible, too.

If Ronda was a clean slate/blank canvas, those six months would serve her better than what she is now, where she's got to un-learn so much, accept it, and then build from the ground up again. It's a mammoth task, especially so when there's an obvious blueprint out there to beat her and a division of fighters chomping on the bit to put the final nails in the coffin.

I'd try to get her mobile and evasive with a more rounded and rangy grapple-base before thinking of ways to make here even a decent striker because I think the latter would require more effort, and time, than it's worth.
 
Her problem is both mental and tactical. She seems to have been destroyed mentally over the past year to where it seems she fears losing more than she is obsessed with winning. That's obviously never going to turn out well. Tactically, she seems to have not learned from her loss to Holm as she didn't respect Nunes' punching distance to avoid getting clocked in the face a mere 10 seconds in. I feel that Jackson/Wink et al could be a good influence on her. As could someone like Firas Zahabi.
 
Anything but a 'rise from the ashes' storyline, especially under Jacksons. I'm so annoyed now Herb Dean didn't let Nunes completely dismantle the hype train rather than just derail it.

She's was one the best out there (albeit carried by marketing/PR) but she got found out, twice, and in championship fights. On top of that, the second title fight was a gift where she was able to look far worse without any of the 'distractions'. Superior and more decorated fighters have suffered far worse losses without feeling the need to be so precious about it.

Now I've just seen a video of Dana saying people in the crowd were crying as they left the arena. :lol:
 
Guys Ronda lives 45 minutes away from Huntington Beach and Master Cordeiro at Kings MMA. He is the perfect trainer for giving grapplers competent muay thai skills (Werdum, RDA). She's had the perfect gym on her doorstep her whole lifetime and never gone there. Such a missed opportunity really.
 
Rousey is done, the sheer magnitude of the beatings she has taken in the last two fights is a psychological scar that won't go away.

She had a chance to disappear for a year and re-emerge with renewed vigour and a re-tooled arsenal/gameplan which would have meant the loss against Holm would have been glossed over to an extent. Two progressively worse beat downs won't allow for that. She came out exactly the same fighter she always has been. Gutsy, belligerent and aggressive but just as easy to hit as ever and with an almost suicidal response to being hit (rush in even more).

Really enjoyed both Cruz and Nunes post fight interviews, Nunes has a lot of character, and surprisingly expressive English, and I can see that being put to good use in filling some of the void Rousey leaves in the women's game.
 
^^^

Nunes interviews (and her behavior during the weighting) was great. Holmes was clearly afraid from Rousey, despite that she destroyed Rousey, and a lot of people thought that it was an one off. On the other side, Nunes was so arrogant and confident that she will destroy Rousey.

And then her comments about her coach and that Rousey should retire were even better.
 
Fairly old now but interesting short doc...

 
Dominos said:
Still think her boxing is fine? She literally doesn't move her head.

Watching Cody vs Cruz and then Rousey afterwards made me howl at the difference in standard.
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I was painfully wrong on this fight, deserve some shit considering I said Ronda would tear through her. Isn't the first time I've got something wrong, 100% won't be the last time either mate.

People are talking about her going to a different camp but I don't see that happening. To be honest there's a huge chance we don't see her ever fight in MMA again.
 
JP77 said:
I was painfully wrong on this fight, deserve some shit considering I said Ronda would tear through her. Isn't the first time I've got something wrong, 100% won't be the last time either mate.

People are talking about her going to a different camp but I don't see that happening. To be honest there's a huge chance we don't see her ever fight in MMA again.
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MMA is ridicuosly hard to predict at the best of times

Ignore the so called I told you so experts in here

I think Ronda suffered a severe crisis of condifence following the Holm loss and that's what beat her so easily this time more than anything.
 
JP77 said:
I was painfully wrong on this fight, deserve some shit considering I said Ronda would tear through her. Isn't the first time I've got something wrong, 100% won't be the last time either mate.

People are talking about her going to a different camp but I don't see that happening. To be honest there's a huge chance we don't see her ever fight in MMA again.
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Randall Flagg said:
MMA is ridicuosly hard to predict at the best of times

Ignore the so called I told you so experts in here

I think Ronda suffered a severe crisis of condifence following the Holm loss and that's what beat her so easily this time more than anything.
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I never mentioned predictions, I said it wouldn't surprise me at all if Ronda won within 1 round. We had a discussion about a fighters qualities, and we seen further evidence so I brought the discussion back.

Still, her lack of striking defence and Nunes' punching was never a good combination, I don't think Ronda of 2 years ago is going to avoid eating hard shots as she tries to close the distance.
 
http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/1/2...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

holy feck now Garbrandt wants fecking money fights!!!!

Once again, a newly crowned champion who haven't defended the title and is already calling for money fights!!! feckKK!K!!KL

what happened to the real champions? ffs...

He lost me as a fan just as quick as he won me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until his next fight is announced..
 
George Owen said:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/1/2...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

holy feck now Garbrandt wants fecking money fights!!!!

Once again, a newly crowned champion who haven't defended the title and is already calling for money fights!!! feckKK!K!!KL

what happened to the real champions? ffs...

He lost me as a fan just as quick as he won me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until his next fight is announced..
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This is what happens when good fighters get paid miniscule amounts. They are incentivized to seek mega fights and behave like clowns during the pre-fight media packages in order to get more eyeballs for PPV points. Fighters should never get PPV points imo as it just encourages this sort of thing. Pay them a lot more for each fight, but leave the PPV numbers out of it. Unfortunately, the genie is already out the bottle and half the belt holders would leave if they tried to remove the PPV point incentive.
 
Raoul said:
This is what happens when good fighters get paid miniscule amounts. They are incentivized to seek mega fights and behave like clowns during the pre-fight media packages in order to get more eyeballs for PPV points. Fighters should never get PPV points imo as it just encourages this sort of thing. Pay them a lot more for each fight, but leave the PPV numbers out of it. Unfortunately, the genie is already out the bottle and half the belt holders would leave if they tried to remove the PPV point incentive.
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yeah i agree. Obviously the best fighters should get good money to fight, and for that you can make a pretty decent salary formula taking into accounts numbers like winning streak, current ranking position, the ranking position of your opponent, etc, so everybody gets a fair chunk based on their fighting output.

But no idea how they gonna do that now because like you say, the genie is already out.

Was reading that Khabib offered to pay USD $200.000 (from his own money) to Tony Ferguson, so he can take the fight. Obviously El Cucuy rejected the offer, saying that it should be UFC the ones to pay him (obviously, they are the employer).

ps. how long before a leaked sex tape? :lol:
 
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George Owen said:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/1/2...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

holy feck now Garbrandt wants fecking money fights!!!!

Once again, a newly crowned champion who haven't defended the title and is already calling for money fights!!! feckKK!K!!KL

what happened to the real champions? ffs...

He lost me as a fan just as quick as he won me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until his next fight is announced..
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He's a bit thick calling out Aldo as a money fight... Aldo won't sell shit. TJ is bland out of the cage too but that storyline is more likely to sell.
 
George Owen said:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/1/2...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

holy feck now Garbrandt wants fecking money fights!!!!

Once again, a newly crowned champion who haven't defended the title and is already calling for money fights!!! feckKK!K!!KL

what happened to the real champions? ffs...

He lost me as a fan just as quick as he won me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until his next fight is announced..
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The 'money fights' thing annoys me and so does the 'I need to sit down with my coaches to decide what to do next'.

How about you just fight the next in line?
 
MannyB said:
The 'money fights' thing annoys me and so does the 'I need to sit down with my coaches to decide what to do next'.

How about you just fight the next in line?
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Fighters wouldn't have to do this if they weren't paid peanuts. Trust me, I hate this crap too but I get why they do it. It's a sport where retirement happens at an early age and they get paid feck all so they want to maximise their time in the spotlight to make more moola. Can't get mad about that.
 
Although I agree many fighters should get more money, that has nothing to do with them wanting want they perceive as the money fight. It would happen either way, just like it does in boxing,

Calling out Aldo is weird. The TJ fight I think creates more interest.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Fighters wouldn't have to do this if they weren't paid peanuts. Trust me, I hate this crap too but I get why they do it. It's a sport where retirement happens at an early age and they get paid feck all so they want to maximise their time in the spotlight to make more moola. Can't get mad about that.
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Oh I get the money thing, the UFC should be paying more. It just grinds my gears that fighters think they should have a say in who they fight.
 
TBH, doing what they are doing, id want a money fight too especially as a champion.

Some people make fun of WWE etc, but the trashtalking side gets eyeballs on you and people interested (and tbh, thats what UFC seem to pay based on).

Speaking of wrestling, Looks like Todd Grisham has been signed by UFC.
 
It's a shame UFC don't pay these fighters more as we are seeing more and more money fights being lined up, no belts on the line just screwing fans over.

I can't hate the fighters for doing it though, they are realistically only at the top of their game for a short period of their lives, making UFC millions and getting paid the scraps.
 
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