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Just watched it and avoided the results


Another cracking show. The amount if great fights I've now watched in less than a week...we have been spoilt

Smilin Sams interview was hilarious

Lineker is scary

Ferguson fight was nuts
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Most insane week the UFC has ever had, Vegas has been surreal. :lol:

American MMA fans are awful, I can't understand it.
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I'm gonna try and get to a show in Vegas next summer. Probably with my wife, so it won't be a drunken lads weekend.

I'm assuming tickets are easy enough to get?

Was your accomadation expensive?

Did you fly Aer Lingus?

Any tips?
 
so Rory Mcdonald going Bellator way? i read something about their president making the move.

Might be good for him. Regroup, heal that fecked up nose and face not so tough opposition, get a winning streak going. Also the money might be even better.
 
George Owen said:
so Rory Mcdonald going Bellator way? i read something about their president making the move.

Might be good for him. Regroup, heal that fecked up nose and face not so tough opposition, get a winning streak going. Also the money might be even better.
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He is a fee agent, so only listening to their offer hopefully UFC will match it and he won't waste his career going to Bellator
 
Randall Flagg said:
I'm gonna try and get to a show in Vegas next summer. Probably with my wife, so it won't be a drunken lads weekend.

I'm assuming tickets are easy enough to get?

Was your accomadation expensive?

Did you fly Aer Lingus?

Any tips?
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Stayed in the Excalibur this time which was fine, stayed in the MGM last time I was there and I'd definitely recommend there if you're heading with the wife. Accommodation wasn't too expensive, these casinos want you in the door so you spend.

Tickets for McGregor Aldo were fairly difficult to come by, took a good day and a half of refreshing the page before getting them. UFC 200 tickets were a lot easier to acquire so I'm assuming it's a McGregor thing.

Flew with Virgin, they were brilliant.

Vegas has to be seen to be believed, nowhere else like it in the world. And the UFC put on a show over there.
 
Raoul said:
Well no, since there are about 5 or 6 fighters higher ranked and qualified than Henderson who are queuing up to murder Bisping.
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And GSP outranks all of them.
 
Gol123 said:
And GSP outranks all of them.
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Like feck he does. He's not even a MW. If anything, he needs to fight Lawler.

With any luck Bisping will get clocked by Henderson's fist in the first round and we won't have to worry about the clown show any more.
 
Potential anti-dopin eh?

Making a mockery of WWEs wellness as well
 
To be looking like that and still going as strong as he is at 39, there's no way in hell Lesnar's not on something. It was hard to take his comeback seriously and appreciate it as much as I'd have liked when it's so blatantly obvious the guy is anything but clean.
 
"og boo whoo, it wasn't my fault, it was tainted etc etc". feck off. seriously this shite has to stop, load of cheating scum making millions off of proper fighth fans
 
DatIrishFella said:
"im a white boy whos jacked, deal with it" are you feck you cheating cnut. MMA is a fecking joke atm.
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I'd say most sports are a joke at the moment. Looking specifically at MMA, as absurd as they might sometimes sound, I think the Diaz brothers know what the situation really is. There's an industry worth a lot of money that's dedicated to helping athletes stay one step ahead of the anti-doping agencies, and due to how widespread it is and how big their own profits are, there isn't any great urgency for the governing bodies and companies to bring them all down.
 
I can't believe people are so anti- PED here. The entire mma industry including all the Pride wars, highlight reel finishes etc. were due to PEDs.

MMA is an incredibly taxing sport and without PEDs you won't be recovering or be able to fight 2-3 times a year as before.

Without PEDs, its just more injuries, less frequent fights, more gassing.

Your body is only built to naturally recover from a certain amount of damage. You cannot push that limit without taking PEDs.
 
I'm done with MMA as a sport until either USADA fecks off or every fighter unilaterally gets their shit together. At this point there is no reason to believe that any of them are clean or have been clean for 100% of their careers.
 
I think people are being a bit dramatic blaming USADA though. Who's actually failed drug tests under USADA that are big names? Brock, Mendes and Jon Jones are the only 3 I can think of at the moment who have been in big PPVs (Anderson Silva was before I think.)

Stuff like this is good for the sport in the long run, to want athletes to cheat just seems a bit odd in a way. I agree they are doing it but I'd want something done about it.

Since USADA came in July there has been some great cards as well. UFC 189 is 1 people regard as one of the best ever, the whole 190 period was probably some of the best PPVs in the sport really.

I agree there will be plenty of them on PEDS I said it when Jones tested positive but it's only been in place a year so you will always get big numbers at the start. I think this looks far far worse for WWE than it does the UFC, the UFC will probably forget about Brock now with this and UFC 200 doing poor numbers apparently they have no reason to keep him round. WWE top athletes are probably all roided out their minds and this puts morep ressure on them.
 
Oggmonster said:
I think people are being a bit dramatic blaming USADA though. Who's actually failed drug tests under USADA that are big names? Brock, Mendes and Jon Jones are the only 3 I can think of at the moment who have been in big PPVs (Anderson Silva was before I think.)

Stuff like this is good for the sport in the long run, to want athletes to cheat just seems a bit odd in a way. I agree they are doing it but I'd want something done about it.

Since USADA came in July there has been some great cards as well. UFC 189 is 1 people regard as one of the best ever, the whole 190 period was probably some of the best PPVs in the sport really.

I agree there will be plenty of them on PEDS I said it when Jones tested positive but it's only been in place a year so you will always get big numbers at the start. I think this looks far far worse for WWE than it does the UFC, the UFC will probably forget about Brock now with this and UFC 200 doing poor numbers apparently they have no reason to keep him round. WWE top athletes are probably all roided out their minds and this puts morep ressure on them.
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I am more than convinced that because Brock has limited dates for WWE that they won't be testing him. Their wellness policy will probably only extend to their full time roster.
 
Stobzilla said:
I am more than convinced that because Brock has limited dates for WWE that they won't be testing him. Their wellness policy will probably only extend to their full time roster.
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You might mate, I've not watch it properly in years and don't really know how it works with regards to drugs. I know they tried clamping down on PEDs etc a few years ago but whenever it's n TV I find it hard to believe the top ones like Cena aren't taking something. Their schedule is a lot tougher than MMA and boxing as well and I think them 2 sports are full of PEDs. Despite wrestling being scripted I imagine it still hurts a lot and you'd need something to keep you going.
 
Oggmonster said:
You might mate, I've not watch it properly in years and don't really know how it works with regards to drugs. I know they tried clamping down on PEDs etc a few years ago but whenever it's n TV I find it hard to believe the top ones like Cena aren't taking something. Their schedule is a lot tougher than MMA and boxing as well and I think them 2 sports are full of PEDs. Despite wrestling being scripted I imagine it still hurts a lot and you'd need something to keep you going.
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Painkiller addiction has always been an issue in wrestling
 
Kaush949 said:
I can't believe people are so anti- PED here. The entire mma industry including all the Pride wars, highlight reel finishes etc. were due to PEDs.

MMA is an incredibly taxing sport and without PEDs you won't be recovering or be able to fight 2-3 times a year as before.

Without PEDs, its just more injuries, less frequent fights, more gassing.

Your body is only built to naturally recover from a certain amount of damage. You cannot push that limit without taking PEDs.
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No one is interested in what the body can endure using PEDs. Its an unnecessary facet which skews the sport towards the abusers anyways.

If fighters can't adjust their training and gas tanks according to the rules, then thats on them. They can kiss goodbye to their career, a la Johny Hendricks.
 
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MMA isn't a joke for having one of the best anti doping programs in sports. The sports that stick their heads in the sand are. Brock popping is hardly a surprise but nor is indicative of fighters as a whole. He is hardly a regular Joe. If you aren't attempting to cut down doping then you are effectively saying that to compete at the top level you MUST get jacked to the gills and dope to dangerous levels like cyclists in the mid 90's. Whoever has the best doping program wins or whoever's body reacts the best to it. As fun as the PRIDE days were, MMA is a legitimate sport now and you need to treat doping as a legitimate issue.
 
justboy68 said:
MMA isn't a joke for having one of the best anti doping programs in sports. The sports that stick their heads in the sand are. Brock popping is hardly a surprise but nor is indicative of fighters as a whole. He is hardly a regular Joe. If you aren't attempting to cut down doping then you are effectively saying that to compete at the top level you MUST get jacked to the gills and dope to dangerous levels like cyclists in the mid 90's. Whoever has the best doping program wins or whoever's body reacts the best to it. As fun as the PRIDE days were, MMA is a legitimate sport now and you need to treat doping as a legitimate issue.
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It's not mma though, it's the UFC.
If this continues I can see Bellator or some rival organisation start to rise up and challenge UFC.
The sport isn't strong enough to withstand banning their top stars time and time again
 
I don't see a problem with any of this. USADA is doing what it is supposed to do and the guilty fighters are losing money, getting suspended, and being publicly shamed. In essence, the system is doing precisely what it was supposed to do. I also agree with Mark Hunt that he should receive half of Lesnar's prize money, which would be quite a lot since Brock got paid in the millions for the last fight. Once his B sample is returned positive, they should strip him of his prize money and make that a standardized policy across the board for all fights.
 
cyberman said:
It's not mma though, it's the UFC.
If this continues I can see Bellator or some rival organisation start to rise up and challenge UFC.
The sport isn't strong enough to withstand banning their top stars time and time again
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Fair point. Ultimately however I think Bellator would be pressured to follow suit if they want to be taken seriously as a UFC competitor. If they want to go further down the freak show route then perhaps not.
 
Oggmonster said:
I think people are being a bit dramatic blaming USADA though. Who's actually failed drug tests under USADA that are big names? Brock, Mendes and Jon Jones are the only 3 I can think of at the moment who have been in big PPVs (Anderson Silva was before I think.)

Stuff like this is good for the sport in the long run, to want athletes to cheat just seems a bit odd in a way. I agree they are doing it but I'd want something done about it.

Since USADA came in July there has been some great cards as well. UFC 189 is 1 people regard as one of the best ever, the whole 190 period was probably some of the best PPVs in the sport really.

I agree there will be plenty of them on PEDS I said it when Jones tested positive but it's only been in place a year so you will always get big numbers at the start. I think this looks far far worse for WWE than it does the UFC, the UFC will probably forget about Brock now with this and UFC 200 doing poor numbers apparently they have no reason to keep him round. WWE top athletes are probably all roided out their minds and this puts morep ressure on them.
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Yoel Romero - Would probably be MW champ now if not for his test.
 
cyberman said:
It's not mma though, it's the UFC.
If this continues I can see Bellator or some rival organisation start to rise up and challenge UFC.
The sport isn't strong enough to withstand banning their top stars time and time again
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Its only a matter of time before pressure from fans, media and athletic commissions forces Bellator to follow suit.
 
MannyB said:
Its only a matter of time before pressure from fans, media and athletic commissions forces Bellator to follow suit.
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Nah they have no pressure on them at all. The NFL have a joke of a drug policy yet are America's no 1 sport.
The problem is UFC etc don't exactly have an acadamy like other sports. Their fighters fight their way through drugged up killers just to make it to the UFC. Nobody is clean in the minors so why handicap yourself when there's a chance you could actually be killed?
Most fighters are being told to get in and get out. Make your money and leave.
If I'm a young fighter I would try make a name for myself as soon as I can. Get a rep so when I get popped I can make a living whoring my name out to these invitationals and being top of the card at lesser events.
If I'm older I have nothing to lose. Especially when I sense my skills starting to diminish and I know this is my last chance to make some money.
If the UFC had a roster of millionaires from top to bottom then the organistation would be as clean as a whistle.
The fact so many struggle to set themselves up for life means there isn't that much to lose. Why not gamble?
 
I don't agree that the UFC should turn a blind eye to doping. Someone could be killed in this sport. Yes, knockouts are exciting, but so are the fights when someone is almost done for but comes back to win. Shit, the best fights the UFC ever produced were the first TUF finale and Robbie Lawler vs Rory McDonald. Back and forth for round after round.
 
Raoul said:
Like feck he does. He's not even a MW. If anything, he needs to fight Lawler.

With any luck Bisping will get clocked by Henderson's fist in the first round and we won't have to worry about the clown show any more.
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Money talks. GSP MW title fight makes more money then any other fight. He outranks them all because of that.
 
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