I agree. I was just trying to indulge @cyberman who, judging by his post thinks Aldo is more deserving then Frankie.
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Do knockouts vary in degrees of comprehensiveness ?
Aldo definitely deserves another chance given his own dominance for nearly a decade. I respect Conor, but the knockout was a fluke imo, and Aldo wins that fight 9 out of 10 times.
Expected more reason from you tbh.
It wasn't a fluke though?
Look, Conor has earned my respect through his recent fights, but this idea that he is better than Aldo has to be challenged. Flukey results happen from time to time in MMA - look at the first Aldo-Mendes, JdS-Velasquez, Mir-Lesnar etc etc. Aldo is one of the greatest fighters in UFC history and is still pretty much in his prime. He deserves a rematch.
It was flukey in that it was a one off that would likely not happen again if they fought 9 more times.
Well McGregor would definitely rile him up again I'd imagine, Aldo would probably fight a bit smarter but he's always gonna try and be explosive, Conor's counter punching is second to none in that division so I do think he'd knock him out again, first or second round.
Maybe, maybe not. We will have to see.
Fluke is not the right word, but there's good reason to think that 9 times out of 10 the fight plays out differently. Knockout blows can be a very funny thing. Certainly not saying Aldo wins 9 times out of 10 but it's a different fight and I think there's good reason to put them back in eventually. Edgar should get his shot first though imo. There are two very deserving challengers which is precisely why McGregor ideally would stop messing around with the idea of this ridiculous rematch and start defending his belt. There will be time for more super fights when there is no obvious contenders.
A rematch with Diaz at 200 would have Conor fight again in about October, so about 10 months, which given the talent in FW right now would be unfair to the rest of them.
But McGregor has beaten all the talent in the featherweight division bar Edgar already? Edgar is the only one hard done by here and I do feel for him.
You can argue for and against McGregor holding the division hostage but for me the bigger question is why is he fighting Diaz again? I would rather see him fight someone new... RDA, Khabib, Cucuy, Alvarez, Pettis, Donald Trump... Anyone!!
Big money fight (this one is arguably the biggest draw out of any of the fights available), the first fight was pretty damn good and the second should be even better, plus I expect McGregor wants to get revenge and get that win back. He's got a point to prove against Diaz, imagine he feels he could have beaten him but made mistakes that he feels he can fix in a second fight.
In all honesty I'm missing the point on why so many people are outraged. Personally I thought the build to the first fight on short notice was fantastic and the fight itself delivered excitement. It wasn't as if it was a shit fight so I don't get why people are against seeing McGregor going against Diaz again when we know it's going to be a cracking build up and fight, which ultimately is what almost all of us watch this sport for. The UFC haven't even mentioned anything in regards to FW/Edgar/Aldo yet and already people are losing it, I'd just be patient and see what they say on the situation and where we stand.
I suppose he forgot to include the years before that where Aldo was defending every 4-7 months.
Having said that, he's probably a McGregor newb who thinks MMA started in 2013.
If McGregor wants to stay at 170, Diaz is a great matchup because it's a mismatch, if McGregor manages to beat convincingly Diaz he will be a legit 170 fighter.
There's no magical rule that says a fighter can never face an opponent twice. If there were, we would've been deprived of some of the top fights. Jones will face Cormier again next month, Silva faced Weidman twice, Cain and JDS fought three times. Despite the hype machine, Conor isn't any different than the rest of them in this regard.
I'm sure a rematch would be every bit as good as the first one. Nate would have a full camp to prepare and Conor would come in with a different strategy, as in not pretend to be a wrestler against a jiu jitsu specialist.
Another rematch I'd love to see is Rumble v Gustafsson. I think Alex would approach the fight differently (as in not get knocked out) and could yield a different result.
Yeah, I will love a rematch but I'm looking at the rankings and I would like to see McGregor against a different fighter one who has a good chin like Kendricks or a great wrestler like Nurmagomedov, I would also like a fight against Condit.
Conor would lose to Khabib imo. Once the fight was on the ground it would be over.
Diaz is 155'er... Beating him says nothing about coping at 170 against the likes of Lawler, Hendricks and Condit.
Diaz is 155'er... Beating him says nothing about coping at 170 against the likes of Lawler, Hendricks and Condit.
They fought at 170 and I'm not saying that it will say something about his ability to beat the best 170 fighters, I'm talking about being a 170 fighter.
early prelims starting in 35 minutes
Even that's assuming he comes out of it relatively unscathed. There's every chance he gets beaten to a pulp and then it gets pushed back even further. It's just so stupid. We've only just seen these two fight and it had a pretty conclusive outcome. Why the feck would we want to watch it again when there are so many other enticing options for both fighters?
No matter how much I enjoyed a film I don't immediately watch it again straight after when there are other good films waiting to be watched. It was a good fight but it was also a conclusive one. It wasn't like it was a flash ko and there are still unanswered questions about how they match up, nor was it a controversial decision type affair. Immediate title rematches like Rockhold - Weidman are bullshit for the same reason. Except this is even worse as there are better options available for both Mcgregor and Diaz and it's not even a title fight. When do non title fights with conclusive finishes ever have immediate rematches? It's incredibly obvious why people aren't happy with it.
Edit: Anyway I'm in the mood for watching fights tonight. Hoping for some exciting prelims!
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Nothing like film so the comparison isn't even worth making. It's quite obvious WHY the fights been made and I listed the reasons. Two of them are simple, it's the money fight (name me a realistic bigger money fight involving either of them right now) and it's clearly the fight McGregor wants it would seem and at this stage as we know, what McGregor wants, he get's (rightly or wrongly, that's a separate argument though). On a personal front, like I said, I thought the first was very good and am all for a second fight if that's the way they decide. I'd equally have no issue with them pairing him against Aldo or Edgar for the record.
Weidman/Rockhold 2 isn't bullshit at all but we've already had this conversation. Weidman was a dominant force and undefeated. That fight was back and fourth until he made a basic mistake that cost him, him getting finished like he did doesn't change that. And then couple that with the fact there's no other person in that division who deserves the title shot ahead of him right now (Romero has the illegal substance issue right now, Jacare is coming off of a loss and is scheduled to fight Belfort at 198 anyway, the winner will likely get the winner of this title fight). That rematch makes sense. I hate the idea that instant rematches shouldn't happen.
I never said otherwise. I'm just saying that it's obvious why people are unhappy, in response to your second paragraph. You're in the minority in liking immediate rematches for fights with conclusive finishes and I'm sure you already know that. Not saying your opinion is invalid or anything but in general people don't like them and so especially don't like this rematch of a relatively meaningless fun fight. From my point of view it massively undermines the first fight when you immediately run it back. It's almost as if you're saying the result doesn't count, or that the challenger is required to win twice in order to be the champion.
Even from a numbers point of view though I'm not sure it's best in the long term for the UFC. While Mac vs Diaz might be the biggest individual fight. Put them in separate fights that make sense and you have two fights to make up the numbers. Mcgregor will still do big viewing figures and Diaz will boost his fight as well. For example Diaz vs RDA for lightweight would probably do better than some other lightweight title fight.
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Yeah I'd agree I'm one of the few who have no problem with immediate rematches (well not in all cases, it needs to at least make some sense. In the case of Weidman/Rockhold 2 or Rousey getting her shot I think it makes sense as it did when Silva got his rematch). I didn't expect McGregor/Diaz 2 in all honesty, it's obviously a money match but I still think it's more down to this being the fight McGregor wants, he clearly wants to avenge that loss and to do that quickly.
Anyway, a decent card tonight although not one I'll stay up for. I think the Pearson fight is starting in a little while on Fight Pass though so might try catch that and watch the rest in the morning.
Yep I think that must be it. It's the explanation that makes the most sense and UFC are letting him have his way as long as the money rolls in. Pride might be getting in his way though in my opinion, I don't particularly like his chances in a a rematch with a full camp Diaz.
Yes Pearson - Laprise is up next. I'll probably stay up for the prelims and watch the main card tomorrow.
"Celtic Kid" Matthews vs "Hollywood" Case should be a good one. Pumped for that one.
Which is why Diaz has a few losses to his name, I guess.
What weight did the two weigh in at?
I rate Laprise pretty highly, could be a tough fight for Pearson. Both are coming off losses to Trinaldo which is quite coincidental.
Pearspon vs laprise now
Both coming from a loss to the same guy, TRinaldo.
Both coming from a loss to the same guy, TRinaldo.
Close fight. I think Pearson did just enough with the leg kicks to take the first two. The third was clearly Laprise.
Good victory by Hooker
Some horrible scorecards tonight. 30-27's when there is no possible way it could be etc.
Boom.
Yeah that was awesome
fecking class from Jake Matthews