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I'm a bad loser and I've pretty much stayed away from all things mma since mcgregor tapped

Not watched replays, interviews even missed 2 weeks of the mma hour

But I'm back. What time are the weigh ins?
 
Randall Flagg said:
I'm a bad loser and I've pretty much stayed away from all things mma since mcgregor tapped

Not watched replays, interviews even missed 2 weeks of the mma hour

But I'm back. What time are the weigh ins?
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Shouldn't take the loss too badly Randall, it was an exhibition fight in a division two above his. Anyone who fights anyone, anytime and any weight will lose eventually.
 
Maybe the UFC are thinking of doing Aldo vs Edgar for the vacant strap as well? If Mcgregor is going with the Diaz rematch it seems possible he's decided he never wants to make the cut to 45 again. That scenario would at least be somewhat justifiable on the UFC's part.

Reddit and Sherdog are in uproar over this.
 
The more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense. It's a bit like boxing, the money fight instead of the next in line for the title shot.
 
It's also funny how they are supposedly doing it at 170 again to keep up the lie of pretending Diaz is a welterweight and not a lightweight.
 
Dana and Lorenzo are obviously playing the long game here, in that if Conor loses a rematch with Nate, it will have a massive PPV draw in either case, and if Conor loses he can always go back down to FW and defend his belt. The scenario that would be bad for the UFC, would be if Conor goes back to FW now and loses to Aldo or Edgar, at which point his stock would take a hit and he wouldn't have the support or leverage to move up and fight the likes of RDA or Diaz, or anyone else. If Conor loses a rematch with Nate, he will still have a belt and they will be able to promote another mega fight with the likes of Aldo or Edgar.
 
Why at WW though? Why? Its just so stupid and pointless now!
 
KiD MoYeS said:
The more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense. It's a bit like boxing, the money fight instead of the next in line for the title shot.
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You had to give it more thought... :lol:

Interestingly, the UFC are starting to do what boxing has been doing for years, protect fighters, preserve records, delay fights etc.

The whole "You fight who we tell you to fight, when we tell you to fight", that made MMA so attractive has gone out of the window with McGregor. Dana says as much himself.
 
Just reading Sherdog Forum, they all seem pretty confident that Edgar would heat Mcgregor in a fight? Why?
 
Gol123 said:
Just reading Sherdog Forum, they all seem pretty confident that Edgar would heat Mcgregor in a fight? Why?
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Some feel Edgar is an awful fight for McGregor but Conor just needs one punch to finish it, I'd like to see the fight just so McGregor can put the featherweight division behind him and challenge at lightweight.
 
Gol123 said:
Just reading Sherdog Forum, they all seem pretty confident that Edgar would heat Mcgregor in a fight? Why?
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I think because Edgar is a better version of Mendes and with cardio for days. Mendes gave Conor a decent beating until he gassed due to taking the fight on such short notice so using MMA maths (which we all know is ridiculous) they assume Edgar can beat Conor.

I still can't understand the need for a rematch with Diaz... it just doesnt make sense outside of the money/PPV buys but even then, most people would buy McGregor PPVs even if he fought someone else... I mean, will they just re-run this fight until Conor eventually wins? For me, there weren't unanswered questions from the last fight, I saw what I needed to see. It wasn't a flash knockout. It wasn't some close fight like Gus vs. Bones or Lawler vs. Condit. It was not a for a title fight that went to the wire, there is no reason except money and building up Conor's rep.

Frankie was right, the C in UFC does stand for Conor. Still pissed off. If Edgar is unavailable or Conor doesn't want to make 145, there are many other fighters I'd rather see Conor face instead of a rematch with Diaz, it just feels like a fight made to jerk off Conor's ego.
 
Wouldn't be all that surprised if McGregor's management has leaked the story to gauge reaction. All the talk after 196 was Aldo rematch, then the past week or so he was defending against Edgar and now it's the Diaz rematch. McGregor has said he listens to what the fans want, so lets see...
 
To add to my last point, would Diaz get a rematch had he lost or if he loses the next fight, will they make Conor vs. Diaz 3? I don't think I can think of any non-title fight that deserves a runback... I think the Romero vs. Jacare one warranted a second fight but even that didn't get it, so why is this happening?
 
Dirty Schwein said:
To add to my last point, would Diaz get a rematch had he lost or if he loses the next fight, will they make Conor vs. Diaz 3? I don't think I can think of any non-title fight that deserves a runback... I think the Romero vs. Jacare one warranted a second fight but even that didn't get it, so why is this happening?
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It's pretty obvious why it's happening, isn't it?

$$$
 
Big question is whether Mcgregor can cut for 145. Maybe he is struggling with getting his weight back down and that is why he is thinking about the bigger weights.

There is just no way I see him beating Dias. He cant KO him early and that's his big weapon.
 
It seems widely accepted Mcgregor is too big for 145, it's an unhealthy cut.

Which means he should be competing at 155. He's taller with a longer reach than the current LW champion. But the idea I keep reading is that he's simply not big enough to beat the #5 ranked LW? Is he not big enough, or is he not good enough?

Is Diaz on a full camp at 155 meant to be an easier fight than a 10 day notice Diaz at 170?
 
Dominos said:
It seems widely accepted Mcgregor is too big for 145, it's an unhealthy cut.

Which means he should be competing at 155. He's taller with a longer reach than the current LW champion. But the idea I keep reading is that he's simply not big enough to beat the #5 ranked LW? Is he not big enough, or is he not good enough?

Is Diaz on a full camp at 155 meant to be an easier fight than a 10 day notice Diaz at 170?
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The fight is reportedly at 170 again.

Also, the biggest arguments were the effects fighting at 170 had on McGregors performance.
 
Gol123 said:
Just reading Sherdog Forum, they all seem pretty confident that Edgar would heat Mcgregor in a fight? Why?
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Really? Great cardio, good footwork, good boxing, good wrestling and a solid chin.

Lots of options in terms of setting up a gameplan and he has ability to mix it up in the fight if things don't go to plan. McGregor should be concerned.

I'm not an Edgar fan by any means but I want to see how champs answer questions from challengers.

KiD MoYeS said:
Some feel Edgar is an awful fight for McGregor but Conor just needs one punch to finish it, I'd like to see the fight just so McGregor can put the featherweight division behind him and challenge at lightweight.
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Frankie Edgar has had his chin tested at LW, got rocked a few times early in fights but still came back to win. No reason to think that wouldn't carry on at FW .
 
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Gol123 said:
That was the general jist of it.
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How so?


As a side note - when he was fighting at FW he was apparently walking around at 170+

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...egor-needs-to-drop-27-pounds-ahead-of-ufc-189

And I heard wonderboy say he was under the impression he walked around at around 180.

Now I'm sure I heard him suggest he didn't cut weight at all to weigh in at 168, which seems bizarre given he looked to have bulked up for the Dos Anjos fight. So either the estimates on his walking weight were horribly wrong or he's still cut to make 170.
 
Dominos said:
How so?


As a side note - when he was fighting at FW he was apparently walking around at 170+

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...egor-needs-to-drop-27-pounds-ahead-of-ufc-189

And I heard wonderboy say he was under the impression he walked around at around 180.

Now I'm sure I heard him suggest he didn't cut weight at all to weigh in at 168, which seems bizarre given he looked to have bulked up for the Dos Anjos fight. So either the estimates on his walking weight were horribly wrong or he's still cut to make 170.
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I don't know. Anything to keep the hype train chugging along.
 
Gol123 said:
Big question is whether Mcgregor can cut for 145. Maybe he is struggling with getting his weight back down and that is why he is thinking about the bigger weights.

There is just no way I see him beating Dias. He cant KO him early and that's his big weapon.
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I agree with this to be honest. It seems like he doesn't want to do the cut. Why it's at 170 is a mystery but it does seem like the FW division is to much of a cut for him. In fairness looking bad he looked unhealthy at the weigh ins when he was fighting at FW.

Dominos said:
And those were? He'd have performed better if we was forced to 155?
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That does seem the opinion and the excuse a lot of people give. I don't think he can cut it at 170 cos the weight is to big for him. LW is perfect really, it's just Diaz is a terrible match stylistically.
 
Conor only won the title 3 months ago, hes not exactly holding the division hostage here.
Edgar needs to get out and fight, i hate the way he's sitting on his title shot. It's Aldo getting screwed here if anything.
Do not be so self entitled.
 
what groves said about him enjoying the high life makes a lot of sense when you look at the conditioning for his last fight, I was in Galway 2 weeks before the fight and he was out and about there as well in the early hours of Saturday night, not many successful professional fighters have camps like that.
 
cyberman said:
Conor only won the title 3 months ago, hes not exactly holding the division hostage here.
Edgar needs to get out and fight, i hate the way he's sitting on his title shot. It's Aldo getting screwed here if anything.
Do not be so self entitled.
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He is when you consider he had no business moving up to LW in the first place when there were clear challengers at FW. Now its looking like he'll be holding up the FW division for close to a year despite having two pointless fights at 170. Holding up the FW division is exactly what he's doing and Frankie is taking a massive hit in terms of career and title fight pay.

And waiting it out is exactly what Edgar should do. No point risking injury and missing out on yet another title shot later in the year.

Edgar has already taken a risky fight with Mendes to cement his spot when he had claim to it anyway. Not someone you can accuse of 'sitting on his title shot'.
 
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MannyB said:
He is when you consider he had no business moving up to LW in the first place when there were clear challengers at FW. Now its looking like he'll be holding up the FW division for close to a year despite having two pointless fights at 170.

And waiting it out is exactly what Edgar should do. No point risking injury and missing out on yet another title shot later in the year.

Edgar has already taken a risky fight with Mendes to cement his spot when he had claim to it anyway. Not someone you can accuse of 'sitting on his title shot'.
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Well that's not true. McGregor is a lightweight fighter, he wanted to move up a lot earlier in his UFC career but the top brass wanted him to remain at featherweight. He's an extremely active fighter, there was no harm in him moving up to challenge lightweight originally. Look at Aldo, how many times a year would he defend his title? No harm in McGregor moving to lightweight.

What he's doing now though, apparently challenging at welterweight again, is stupid. The original fight with Diaz was fine as an exhibition fight considering dos Anjos pulled out but a rematch in the biggest card to date is silly.
 
I don't know why people think Connor is not holding the feather weight division hostage, yrs Aldo fought less but he wad injured a lot so nothing could be done about that. It was fair enough Connor holding it up when he went up to fight for LW title but this match is pointless... And what next if he wins? Make it a trilogy? He goes for LW or maybe WW?

Also, Holm, TJ, Jacare, Condit etc had closer loses in more important fights, why don't they all get their rematch?
 
The last featherweight title fight was roughly the same time as the last lightweight and welterweight title fights.

Only three divisions without announced upcoming title fights, if McGregor is fighting at welter again at UFC 200 he needs to vacate.
 
MannyB said:
He is when you consider he had no business moving up to LW in the first place when there were clear challengers at FW. Now its looking like he'll be holding up the FW division for close to a year despite having two pointless fights at 170. Holding up the FW division is exactly what he's doing and Frankie is taking a massive hit in terms of career and title fight pay.

And waiting it out is exactly what Edgar should do. No point risking injury and missing out on yet another title shot later in the year.

Edgar has already taken a risky fight with Mendes to cement his spot when he had claim to it anyway. Not someone you can accuse of 'sitting on his title shot'.
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Wait until he holds it up a year then before you throw that accusation at him.
He fought Diaz / RDA so soon after beating Aldo because he didnt want to hold up the 145 title and get his shot at 155. If he had no intention of fighting at 155 he simply would not have fought until 200. Edgar is being passed up at 200 but its only one fight, not 2. Its not as if Conor is this inactive fighter. Werdum defends his title once a fecking year.
A fw fight instead of Diaz / RDA was never an option.
145 is a unique division. From Conor wanting to fight every few months to make every weight class to Aldo deserving a shot before Edgar. Frankie sitting on his ass like an entitled child is an embarassment.
Go out there and demand it. This no risk bullshit holds the sport back with Frankie refusing another fight and Aldo doing the same.
Maybe well have a triple threat match and keep everyone happy. You know inbetween Conor challenging himself and putting his 155 shot on the line.
Or being accused of ducking Frankie by facing Diaz who kicked his ass a month ago.
If everyone was like Conor the UFC would be a better place imo
 
Oggmonster said:
That does seem the opinion and the excuse a lot of people give. I don't think he can cut it at 170 cos the weight is to big for him. LW is perfect really, it's just Diaz is a terrible match stylistically.
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This seems to be the opposite really of what was said before the fight. Almost everyone expected him to beat Diaz and it was a more favourable matchup because it was bound to be a fight that stayed on the feet (with anyone who'd take him down like RDA or Alvarez being the bad stylistic match ups).

On holding the division up - if he genuinely intends to go back down and defend then fair enough. I think what we're more likely going to see is he's pissed about in other divisions for the best part of a year and then he vacates - he should've decided by now if he ever intends to make that cut again.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Well that's not true. McGregor is a lightweight fighter, he wanted to move up a lot earlier in his UFC career but the top brass wanted him to remain at featherweight. He's an extremely active fighter, there was no harm in him moving up to challenge lightweight originally. Look at Aldo, how many times a year would he defend his title? No harm in McGregor moving to lightweight.
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He might be a LW fighter, but he had no business challenging for the LW belt. And now he has no business taking another fight at "LW" when there are two fights for him at FW in Edgar and Aldo. And what good is being an active fighter if you are only going to defend your belt every third fight.

Re: Aldo - his record shows he defended every 4-7 months, going right the way back to his WEC days, and he cleared out his division.

The two longer periods were between the first Mendes fight (where he KO'd him in the first) and the Frankie fight and after the second Mendes fight. The first gap was because he had effectively cleared the division hence Frankie dropping down from LW and getting an immediate title shot (which I didn't agree with).

Feck knows what happened with Aldo during the latter gap but it ties in with the impression everyone has in here of him only fighting once a year. Might have had something to do with a fallout with the UFC over pay and sponsors. There was also a world tour and "rib injury" too.

cyberman said:
Wait until he holds it up a year then before you throw that accusation at him.
He fought Diaz / RDA so soon after beating Aldo because he didnt want to hold up the 145 title and get his shot at 155. If he had no intention of fighting at 155 he simply would not have fought until 200. Edgar is being passed up at 200 but its only one fight, not 2. Its not as if Conor is this inactive fighter. Werdum defends his title once a fecking year.
A fw fight instead of Diaz / RDA was never an option.
145 is a unique division. From Conor wanting to fight every few months to make every weight class to Aldo deserving a shot before Edgar. Frankie sitting on his ass like an entitled child is an embarassment.
Go out there and demand it. This no risk bullshit holds the sport back with Frankie refusing another fight and Aldo doing the same.
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Eh? There is a clear challenger and Conor is ready and willing to fight. By not defending his belt at 200, he is holding up a division. Why the feck do we have to wait a year before we can point that out?

Ffs, Frankie's not an entitled child, he's just entitled... :lol:. And he has the best tools in the division to take the belt.

The bottom line is, by schedule, 200 should be a FW title fight but it's not. Which means it'll be close to a year between FW title fights despite the title fighter having had two fights and there being a clear FW challenger.
 
MannyB said:
He might be a LW fighter, but he had no business challenging for the LW belt. And now he has no business taking another fight at "LW" when there are two fights for him at FW in Edgar and Aldo. And what good is being an active fighter if you are only going to defend your belt every third fight.

Re: Aldo - his record shows he defended every 4-7 months, going right the way back to his WEC days, and he cleared out his division.

The two longer periods were between the first Mendes fight (where he KO'd him in the first) and the Frankie fight and after the second Mendes fight. The first gap was because he had effectively cleared the division hence Frankie dropping down from LW and getting an immediate title shot (which I didn't agree with).

Feck knows what happened with Aldo during the latter gap but it ties in with the impression everyone has in here of him only fighting once a year. Might have had something to do with a fallout with the UFC over pay and sponsors. There was also a world tour and "rib injury" too.
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I'm okay with super fights, more should happen. McGregor dos Anjos was a brilliant fight to schedule in my opinion, who didn't want to see it? I think McGregor would have vacated the featherweight belt had he challenged for, and won, the lightweight belt. McGregor can currently defend the featherweight belt as actively as Aldo did in my opinion, so I've no issue with it. If he is set to fight Diaz at welterweight again so soon then I think he'll have to think about vacating the belt, not sure I like Aldo Edgar fighting for an interim belt when we still have no idea what weight McGregor intends to fight at. My guess is that he goes to lightweight but he'll pick money fights at any weight over title fights. He's a mad man and he's changed the UFC.
 
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Frankie doesn't have any more fight other then Conor and Aldo. Aldo won't fight anybody bar Conor next, it seems and Conor is more interested in LW/WW and Diaz. Saying he should just go out and fight to prove himself is ridiculous. There is no fight left in the division for him to prove himself with.
 
MannyB said:
He might be a LW fighter, but he had no business challenging for the LW belt. And now he has no business taking another fight at "LW" when there are two fights for him at FW in Edgar and Aldo. And what good is being an active fighter if you are only going to defend your belt every third fight.

Re: Aldo - his record shows he defended every 4-7 months, going right the way back to his WEC days, and he cleared out his division.

The two longer periods were between the first Mendes fight (where he KO'd him in the first) and the Frankie fight and after the second Mendes fight. The first gap was because he had effectively cleared the division hence Frankie dropping down from LW and getting an immediate title shot (which I didn't agree with).

Feck knows what happened with Aldo during the latter gap but it ties in with the impression everyone has in here of him only fighting once a year. Might have had something to do with a fallout with the UFC over pay and sponsors. There was also a world tour and "rib injury" too.


Eh? There is a clear challenger and Conor is ready and willing to fight. By not defending his belt at 200, he is holding up a division. Why the feck do we have to wait a year before we can point that out?

Ffs, Frankie's not an entitled child, he's just entitled... :lol:. And he has the best tools in the division to take the belt.

The bottom line is, by schedule, 200 should be a FW title fight but it's not. Which means it'll be close to a year between FW title fights despite the title fighter having had two fights and there being a clear FW challenger.
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First there is no clear FW challenger. Its highly disputable between Aldo and Frankie.
2nd why do you keep saying it will be a year between defences? Conor will have fought 3 times in just over 6 months by 200. Why will he suddenly take 6 months for his next fight?
Conor risked his shot v Mendes, risked his shot v Diaz and is getting rewarded accordingly. People respect him and want to see him fight.
Frankie is playing silly beggars by playing it safe.
Aldo will get the shot before Frankie and tough shit Frankie if this happens because he doesn't want to risk a fecking Dana White promise.
There was no talk of mandatory challengers or holding up divisions with super fights when Frankie moved from LW to FW after a loss straight into a title fight with Aldo? Where was his morals then? Aldo had gotten injured and they waited until he healed up. All and all that took around 8 months from beginning to end.
Any talk of whoever the FW mandatory challengers unfair treatment then? Of how he had to wait until that mess got sorted to get the shot he was fighting all those matches at FW for? ( I cant remember who it was tbh which probably says something)
Frankie is in his mid 30s. Surely he knows not to rely in the word of a promoter and to go out and make a statement.
 
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First there is no clear FW challenger. Its highly disputable between Aldo and Frankie.
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I guess this means both deserve a title shot, am I right? Both have a claim and it seems everyone wants to see Edgar/McGregor so thats the fight to make first.
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2nd why do you keep saying it will be a year between defences?
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It'll be nearly seven months in July. 2-4 weeks off, 8-10 week training, 10 months at the earliest providing he doesn't take any damage. 10 months, 11 months, "Close to a year"... :smirk:
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Conor will have fought 3 times in just over 6 months by 200. Why will he suddenly take 6 months for his next fight?
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Conor was able to take a fight in early March after the mid-December fight because he didn't take any damage, the fight lasted 13 seconds and he wouldn't need to cut as much weight for 196. If anything, after an eight month build-up, two month camp and an 13 second fight, most fighters are eager to get back in there. Don't expect the Aldo to RDA/Diaz time scale to be the norm.
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Conor risked his shot v Mendes, risked his shot v Diaz and is getting rewarded accordingly. People respect him and want to see him fight.
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Conor had to take the fight against Mendes after the world tour and thousands of Irish fans shelling out $1,000s to fly out to Vegas and see him fight. Similar with RDA/Diaz. Mendes and Diaz were late replacements for what were initial title fights. But he had been given the title shots in the first place, Edgar hasn't.

I'm not knocking McGregor in either case. Its admirable he took a replacement opponents when he could just cancelled and no one would have said a thing.
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There was no talk of mandatory challengers or holding up divisions with super fights when Frankie moved from LW to FW after a loss straight into a title fight with Aldo? Where was his morals then?
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Did you actually read the Aldo part of my post?

I didn't agree with Aldo/Edgar but Aldo had pretty much cleared out the division, was sitting on the sidelines needing a fight and Edgar was a natural FW so they were paired up.
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Frankie is in his mid 30s. Surely he knows not to rely in the word of a promoter and to go out and make a statement.
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I thought he did that when he knocked out Mendes.

The rest of your post is a mish-mash of statements which I'm struggling to comprehend.
 
MannyB said:
Eh? There is a clear challenger and Conor is ready and willing to fight. By not defending his belt at 200, he is holding up a division. Why the feck do we have to wait a year before we can point that out?

Ffs, Frankie's not an entitled child, he's just entitled... :lol:. And he has the best tools in the division to take the belt.

The bottom line is, by schedule, 200 should be a FW title fight but it's not. Which means it'll be close to a year between FW title fights despite the title fighter having had two fights and there being a clear FW challenger.
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Who says it's Conor that's holding it up? I've never heard of Conor turning down a fight, ever. It's a far harder fight taking Diaz over either Frankie or Aldo so I doubt it's him ducking people. It's more likely the UFC are trying to make as much money as possible as there'll already be title fights on the card.
 
MannyB said:
I guess this means both deserve a title shot, am I right? Both have a claim and it seems everyone wants to see Edgar/McGregor so thats the fight to make first.
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Only Frankie deserves a title shot. Rarely do you see anybody getting knocked out so comprehensively walk straight back into another title shot.

Conor is given title shots because he earned them by beating whatever what was put in front of him whilst being able to self promote and make millions for the UFC. Frankie will not make them money. Aldo will not make them money. Conor will always be favoured once he continues to bring in the big bucks. That's the way it works rightly or wrongly.
 
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