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Watching that makes me feel even more sad for Jose because him knocking Conor out would have been a class end to all this but gotta love Conor, he is a Messi-level world class WUM :lol:
He isn't even WUMming though. I have watched his interviews a bit last night and I'll tell you, his self belief is higher then any other person I have ever seen. He is so confident that he can beat every single fighter in the world its insane. I watched one press conference where he picked a fight with the whole of the Lightweight division.
 
He isn't even WUMming though. I have watched his interviews a bit last night and I'll tell you, his self belief is higher then any other person I have ever seen. He is so confident that he can beat every single fighter in the world its insane. I watched one press conference where he picked a fight with the whole of the Lightweight division.
He was WUMing. Like when he was on the other side of the door holding the belt. When he held Aldo's neck etc. That stuff was all to wind Aldo up.

I saw the presser, it was the Go Big one I think. That clearly was more of a business step than anything. He loves numbers as he never forgets to remind us and he used that presser to set himself up with future bouts/rivalries. Pissing off the 155 athletes means everyone in that division now wants him and the fans will be pouring in by the bucketloads.

He's a clever guy and the UFC are loving it but I'm pretty sure this will bite them in the ass as Conor is smart and knows his worth. He will at some point demand things (and already is starting to) that the UFC won't like but his star power will mean that they can't just brush him under the carpet as they have done with others. Conor doesn't seem like a company man and if he starts banging on about fighter pay, then he will get so much respect from other athletes and fans and the UFC will be left pissing in the wind.
 
I see.

That guy I posted seemed to have serious performance drops in that state though, let alone mental focus. Would a 190-200 pounder fighting at 170 not get given the run around by a natural 170 coming into the fight at full strength and fully hydrated?

I genuinely have no idea, all seems a bit strange to me.

Sometimes that happens, most of the time everybody is cutting some weight so it's a degree of who suffers the least rather than a raw cut/didn't cut.

But even if that was the case, the 190-200 pound guy is gonna rehydrate to some degree, even operating at 90% that is a 10 pound weight advantage which doesn't sound a lot but is huge.

In simplest terms (and probably totally inaccurate) you are sacrificing endurance-speed for power-strength with extreme weight cutting.
 
He was WUMing. Like when he was on the other side of the door holding the belt. When he held Aldo's neck etc. That stuff was all to wind Aldo up.

I saw the presser, it was the Go Big one I think. That clearly was more of a business step than anything. He loves numbers as he never forgets to remind us and he used that presser to set himself up with future bouts/rivalries. Pissing off the 155 athletes means everyone in that division now wants him and the fans will be pouring in by the bucketloads.

He's a clever guy and the UFC are loving it but I'm pretty sure this will bite them in the ass as Conor is smart and knows his worth. He will at some point demand things (and already is starting to) that the UFC won't like but his star power will mean that they can't just brush him under the carpet as they have done with others. Conor doesn't seem like a company man and if he starts banging on about fighter pay, then he will get so much respect from other athletes and fans and the UFC will be left pissing in the wind.
Yeah, I suppose you could call it a WUM. I prefer to call it getting in your opponents head. This is why I don't see a rematch happening. Conor is so far into Aldo's head now, it affected him during the fight and will affect him even more with the 13 secs dangling over him. He has just got the guys number.

What makes his mind games so effective is how much he genuinely believes in himself. It's ridiculous.
 
Sometimes that happens, most of the time everybody is cutting some weight so it's a degree of who suffers the least rather than a raw cut/didn't cut.

But even if that was the case, the 190-200 pound guy is gonna rehydrate to some degree, even operating at 90% that is a 10 pound weight advantage which doesn't sound a lot but is huge.

In simplest terms (and probably totally inaccurate) you are sacrificing endurance-speed for power-strength with extreme weight cutting.

In the article someone posted here, that guy who'd never done a cut before got back pretty close to his peak performance within 24hrs too. It also said that a fighter wouldn't have done the pre-cut workout the guy did to get that baseline performance to measure against, which would have weakened him too. You'd have to imagine people who have done it a few times can work those margins to get very close to their peak power again.
 
He isn't even WUMming though. I have watched his interviews a bit last night and I'll tell you, his self belief is higher then any other person I have ever seen. He is so confident that he can beat every single fighter in the world its insane. I watched one press conference where he picked a fight with the whole of the Lightweight division.

He is that confident. His slagging off of other fighters is merely to hype fights and make money for the UFC. He is extremely respectful afterwards.

I would love to see him v Edgar but I don't know how they can hype it. McGregor has always been extremely complimentary of Edgar and Edgar himself wouldn't bite. He's too damn nice.
 
I don't see how Aldo is going to get a rematch. The UFC clearly don't like him for numerous reasons.

  • He isn't a company man. He is notoriously hard to deal with.
  • He won't do much media. He won't hype the fights.
  • People don't buy PPVs for him. He doesn't make the UFC money.
  • They've had over a year of promoting him v Conor. People would be sick of it. They won't do it again. Yet.
  • He makes it almost impossible for them to drug test him. He tried to have a tester deported. When they eventually got him to give a sample, he fell and the sample smashed. Ridiculous.
The main thing is that he will not make them money. It's Conor who makes the money and he could make them more money against someone else.

Imagine the money in Cowboy v Conor (not that I personally believe Conor should be anywhere near a lightweight shot).
 
I was listening to Rogan and Schaub talking on Rogan's podcast after UFC 194. Both are clearly of the opinion that many of the Brazilian fighters are on drugs and that is why there has been a drop in performances from them. They both said it indirectly. Schaub clearly believes it. They mentioned Jose and Erick Silva in particular, plus both were very interested to see how different RDA will be this Saturday.
 
I was listening to Rogan and Schaub talking on Rogan's podcast after UFC 194. Both are clearly of the opinion that many of the Brazilian fighters are on drugs and that is why there has been a drop in performances from them. They both said it indirectly. Schaub clearly believes it. They mentioned Jose and Erick Silva in particular, plus both were very interested to see how different RDA will be this Saturday.

Pretty sure McGregor called Aldo a juicehead when he was talking to Mendes after their fight, so it doesn't surprise me that there are rumours anyway. Can't say Aldo's performances dropped when he was knocked out that quickly though.
 
In the article someone posted here, that guy who'd never done a cut before got back pretty close to his peak performance within 24hrs too. It also said that a fighter wouldn't have done the pre-cut workout the guy did to get that baseline performance to measure against, which would have weakened him too. You'd have to imagine people who have done it a few times can work those margins to get very close to their peak power again.
Sometimes that happens, most of the time everybody is cutting some weight so it's a degree of who suffers the least rather than a raw cut/didn't cut.

But even if that was the case, the 190-200 pound guy is gonna rehydrate to some degree, even operating at 90% that is a 10 pound weight advantage which doesn't sound a lot but is huge.

In simplest terms (and probably totally inaccurate) you are sacrificing endurance-speed for power-strength with extreme weight cutting.

I was talking more if they were weighed at the time of the fight or multiple times before the fight meaning they actually have to fight at the weight they weigh in at. So I was trying to compare a 200lb guy actually fighting at 170 against someone who is actually 170 all the time.
 
I don't see how Aldo is going to get a rematch. The UFC clearly don't like him for numerous reasons.

  • He isn't a company man. He is notoriously hard to deal with.
  • He won't do much media. He won't hype the fights.
  • People don't buy PPVs for him. He doesn't make the UFC money.
  • They've had over a year of promoting him v Conor. People would be sick of it. They won't do it again. Yet.
  • He makes it almost impossible for them to drug test him. He tried to have a tester deported. When they eventually got him to give a sample, he fell and the sample smashed. Ridiculous.
The main thing is that he will not make them money. It's Conor who makes the money and he could make them more money against someone else.

Imagine the money in Cowboy v Conor (not that I personally believe Conor should be anywhere near a lightweight shot).
You don't think a Featherweight champion deserves a Lightweight title shot?
 
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Rogan's face and Aldo being dropped :lol:
 
You don't think a Featherweight champion deserves a Lightweight title shot?

No. If he beats someone like Ferguson first then why not? But if you're champion in a lower weight class, I don't think you automatically deserve a title shot in the one above. If Pettis wins his next fight then surely he would get it? Pettis (if he wins) or Ferguson should be next in my opinion.
 
Pretty sure McGregor called Aldo a juicehead when he was talking to Mendes after their fight, so it doesn't surprise me that there are rumours anyway. Can't say Aldo's performances dropped when he was knocked out that quickly though.

True. Rogan reckons he looked "soft" and "deflated" though, which only means one thing.
 
I was talking more if they were weighed at the time of the fight or multiple times before the fight meaning they actually have to fight at the weight they weigh in at. So I was trying to compare a 200lb guy actually fighting at 170 against someone who is actually 170 all the time.

They used to weigh them day of the fight, which makes it really difficult to rehydrate before the fight and regain that weight in general but it's really bad for brain damage reasons.

They also don't allow them to use IV's now which makes it harder again to recover from these big cuts that people like Connor do and I think we might start seeing less of it (big cuts, not cuts all together).

the only weigh class that confuses me is Heavyweight, cause the difference in body types is amazing like skyscraper Struve, juiced to the gills Overeem and tubby pieces of shit like Roy Nelson.
 
I was listening to Rogan and Schaub talking on Rogan's podcast after UFC 194. Both are clearly of the opinion that many of the Brazilian fighters are on drugs and that is why there has been a drop in performances from them. They both said it indirectly. Schaub clearly believes it. They mentioned Jose and Erick Silva in particular, plus both were very interested to see how different RDA will be this Saturday.

Schaub is a blithering idiot though and Rogan is little better at times. Fwiw Rogan recently posted an apology after people on Reddit and twitter posted numerous photos from previous fights and showing that he looked exactly the same as ever. That's not to say he or anyone isn't doping. The probability is high that most of them are/were but there's no way it's just a Brazilian problem, that's bordering on pure xenophobic bullshit. If anything Weidman is the most mysterious one from UFC 194. He went from making a big cut at MW to cutting from just 193 pounds or something this time around and looking kinda shit in the fight. Not to mention having the testosterone levels of a 90 year old cancer patient for the Belfort fight which experts on the matter said was actually more suspicious than Vitor's levels!

Similar with the upcoming LW title fight. It's rather bewildering that Cerrone is banging on about how he believes RDA is juicing, considering he's the one that has failed a drug test in the past. You'd think he'd rather keep quiet about all that.
 
I don't see how Aldo is going to get a rematch. The UFC clearly don't like him for numerous reasons.

  • He isn't a company man. He is notoriously hard to deal with.
  • He won't do much media. He won't hype the fights.
  • People don't buy PPVs for him. He doesn't make the UFC money.
  • They've had over a year of promoting him v Conor. People would be sick of it. They won't do it again. Yet.
  • He makes it almost impossible for them to drug test him. He tried to have a tester deported. When they eventually got him to give a sample, he fell and the sample smashed. Ridiculous.
The main thing is that he will not make them money. It's Conor who makes the money and he could make them more money against someone else.

Imagine the money in Cowboy v Conor (not that I personally believe Conor should be anywhere near a lightweight shot).

The drug testing is nothing to do with the UFC. So that wouldn't affect their relationship one way or another. They knew Vitor was juicing and helped cover it up so the fight with Jones could go ahead.

Of course the deportation, smashed samples thing was awfully suspicious. However since USADA testing has properly kicked in Jose Aldo has been tested 8 times (and passed). The joint most in the entire UFC (along with Conor and Ronda) , so hardly making it hard for them now.
 
I was listening to Rogan and Schaub talking on Rogan's podcast after UFC 194. Both are clearly of the opinion that many of the Brazilian fighters are on drugs and that is why there has been a drop in performances from them. They both said it indirectly. Schaub clearly believes it. They mentioned Jose and Erick Silva in particular, plus both were very interested to see how different RDA will be this Saturday.

This is the head strength coach for Black House (where Aldo trained for most of his career and whose team he was a part of, along with Silva and most of the other top Brazilian fighters).

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No drugs here, honest.
 
The Romero v Jacare fight shows the tests are pretty worthless anyway. When the random testing came in we a dramatic spike in guys getting caught, but that's dropped off now. Yes, there are some guys looking flatter, but at the same time you can get testosterone suspension without an ester and Aldo showed how easy it is to dodge a test for a day or 2. So you can use test suspension no worries. Aldo obviously couldn't do this twice, hence he looked flatter. But unless they come in the middle of the night it's very hard to catch someone using HGH, certain peptides or testosterone without an ester. Hence Rogan has to describe Romero as a "freak" rather than a normal guy using steroids.
 
Imagine a big UFC title match, bell rings, round 1 and both fighters go hell for leather, like a pair of bulls in a fury.

"Well both these guys are obviously up to their eyeballs with drugs."

*Dana White has mild stroke*
 
So predictions for the next card?

Nate Diaz vs. Michael Johnson - Gonna be the usual recent Diaz bullshit. Talk smack all the way up to the fight then underperform and lose.

Dos Santos vs. Overeem - My logic says JDS will be arrested post-fight for manslaughter but I really want Overeem to win. It doesn't help Overeem's case that he recently got knocked out in training after his woman blew a kiss towards him and it connected with his chin. Having said that, I get a free lobster dinner from my mate if he wins and I think that if I believe it enough it might happen :lol:

RDA vs. Donald Cerrone - I like both these guys and based on their last few fights, RDA should have this covered but for some reason I think Cowboy can win this. RDA looked completely dehydrated in an interview I saw today and Cerrone looks as healthy as an ox. if he doesn't do his usual slow start, he might just take the belt... Either way, I like em both so don't mind how it goes.
 
Who is the most likeable active UFC fighter atm?

In my opinion, I'm quite fond of Robbie Lawler, RDA, Cowboy (to an extent), Holly Holm, Frankie Edgar, Lyoto Machida, Joanna Jfsdfdfdjksbk and Alex Gustafson. But each to their own...
 


edit. 3 missed weigh already...

Thanks for posting that up buddy.

Firstly, holy shit! Jim Alers, I fecking know that guy. He's really good mates with my cousin and we chilled together when I went to USA a while back for the summer!! Didn't realize he was a bloody MMA fighter... must have gone under the radar!!

Man I'm so torn on the RDA and Cowboy fight. Cowboy is one of my favourite fighters but I also like RDA as he seems like a honest hard working fighter with no sideshow bullshit. I want Cowboy to win on one hand as it would be good to see him hang the belt on his RV but if RDA wins, you know Conor is gonna shit his pants. That mofo is a fecking beast!

Fight night's gonna be electric!!
 
So predictions for the next card?

Nate Diaz vs. Michael Johnson
Dos Santos vs. Overeem
RDA vs. Donald Cerrone

Nate Diaz vs. Michael Johnson Diaz is just showing up for the paycheck i think. Hopefully he brings it but MJ should win it.
Dos Santos vs. Overeem Can't see anything else but a KO for JDS. He is training in the US so i expect to see him with some new tricks up his sleeve. Gonna be interesting to see if he improved his footwork and head movement...
RDA vs. Donald Cerrone This fight gonna be crazy... i think Dos Anjos defend his title. But anything can happen, good.

*Charles Olivera vs Myles Jury should be a cracking fight as well... Olivera missed weight and this is Jury's first fight at featherweight. My brain says Olivera wins it with some choke, but ill pick Jury for this one. Almost a year since Cowboy kicked his ass and send him to featherweight, so i expect him to be much improved and willing to change that last memory we all have from his last fight.
 
Watch out for Valentina Shevchenko she could easily be the future of women's bantamweight. 16-time world muay thai champion with a 3-1 record over Joanna in muay thai (she is bigger than her in Joanna's defence). But still she is possibly the best ever female muay thai fighter so interesting to see how she does in the ufc.

I agree with all of George's picks above. Missing weight is usually a sign something aint right, otherwise I'd be picking Oliveira. Should be a good card.
 
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If JdS loses to Overeem, he is more or less finished imo. The climb back to respectability will be too steep.