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notice the similarities.

Aldo does this often, he would have likely throw the kick had he been conscious.

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Good spot, its amazing how even the greatest fighters have these idiosyncrasies that can be exploited. It looks like even Hominick had prepared a counter for that lunge attack but just didn't quite land the left in the same way as Conor.
 
Good spot, its amazing how even the greatest fighters have these idiosyncrasies that can be exploited. It looks like even Hominick had prepared a counter for that lunge attack but just didn't quite land the left in the same way as Conor.

Haha, not my spot stole it off another forum! Prolly shoulda mentioned that!

Sometimes I bring you guys nuggets ;)


Yep, Conor seems to have been ready for that move, he reacts seemingly as the attack comes. Conor is 100% focused on the counter while Hominick gives a half hearted counter while mostly focusing on retreating.

I have no doubt Conor can do this to anyone his size or thereabouts who can be hit repeatedly, which is almost everyone. There is almost no top level boxing movement, head movement, punch evasion. You can't trade with a guy who looks like a 145 pound Cassius Clay.
 
Good spot, its amazing how even the greatest fighters have these idiosyncrasies that can be exploited. It looks like even Hominick had prepared a counter for that lunge attack but just didn't quite land the left in the same way as Conor.

After Barao's performances against TJ, and now Aldo's show, i think its fair to say these old champions from times when the level was nothing like it is today, have stagnated quite a bit and im not sure they have been receiving correct advice. Training camps in Brazil are not enough any more. Being saying that for a while now. Evolve or die...

ps. i actually dont see a very bright future for those 2...
 
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Look at the pain on the guy in the beanie hat:

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Also Andre Pederneiras is one stoic individual. Like a traditional martial arts 'master'.

There's also 3 UFC champions in that shot but poor DJ probably couldn't see anything :lol:

Edit: There's actually 4 UFC champs in that shot. One is really hard to spot (and apparently has no emotion whatsoever).


I see Joanna and DJ

Who else?
 
My brother (who doesn't really watch UFC) sat down to watch the fight with me and I was explaining to him that Aldo is undefeated in 10 years and is amazing, P4P the best fighter in the world etc. then he saw that, stood up and left the room saying "yeah Aldo is great" :lol:
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Rematch is a must for Aldo/Conor/the fans. Just look at the Dos Santos/Cain trilogy where JdS caught him in the first one then proceeded to get outclassed twice in the subsequent two. Trouble here is a strategic one for Dana/Lorenzo et al. If they have Conor face Aldo again and lose, the magical journey towards a 155 title fight would be torpedoed. Conor is now their cash cow and they are likely to make their decisions more so on profit logic than what the fans may want.

Not just that, this would be the third McGregor v Aldo fight in a row they'd have to promote. Not ideal from their point of view. Add in the fact that McGregor doesn't wants other fights and there's apparently no love lost between Aldo and the UFC....

Seems pretty clear it'll either be a shot at the lightweight champion or a defense against Edgar. I think the big question now is whether McGrgeor will be forced to vacate the flyweight belt whenever he moves up to fight at lightweight.
 
Personally I think UFC will want the rematch and want it at UFC 200. And I think there would be huge interest in the rematch

AI think Aldo will be happy to wait that long (July)

But I reckon McGregor will want a at April or late March. He wants 3 fights again next year
 
Not just that, this would be the third McGregor v Aldo fight in a row they'd have to promote. Not ideal from their point of view. Add in the fact that McGregor doesn't wants other fights and there's apparently no love lost between Aldo and the UFC....

Seems pretty clear it'll either be a shot at the lightweight champion or a defense against Edgar. I think the big question now is whether McGrgeor will be forced to vacate the flyweight belt whenever he moves up to fight at lightweight.

If he doesn't fight at 145 again it will be because he has trouble with the weight cut. Promoting against Aldo is not a burden, in fact I think most fans want it to happen, and it would comfortably be more of a draw than him fighting anyone at 155, as Aldo is still one of the best fighters in the sport. Conor winning doesn't absolve him from a rematch.
 
Personally I think UFC will want the rematch and want it at UFC 200. And I think there would be huge interest in the rematch

AI think Aldo will be happy to wait that long (July)

But I reckon McGregor will want a at April or late March. He wants 3 fights again next year

I think if McGregor got his way we'd see him fighting for the lightweight belt next while Edgar and Aldo fight each other. Then he'd come down again and defend against whichever of them wins. I suspect that's also why he made a point of saying he wouldn't vacate the flyweight belt, if the UFC were going to go down that route they'd probably want the Aldo/Edgar fight to be for the flyweight title (as would Aldo and Edgar).
 
After Barao's performances against TJ, and now Aldo's show, i think its fair to say these old champions from times when the level was nothing like it is today, have stagnated quite a bit and im not sure they have been receiving correct advice. Training camps in Brazil are not enough any more. Being saying that for a while now. Evolve or die...

ps. i actually dont see a very bright future for those 2...
Barao is done in terms of being a dominant force. We saw that when TJ schooled him twice, and they were quite long lessons. Aldo is a different case because he just got caught. It's not like Conor dominated him or anything, just caught him with one shot and lights out. Not enough of a fight to make these claims...
 
You have to consider though that they've already spent close to a year doing face offs and promotion. I really don't think they want to immediately spend another 3 months doing the same.

In my opinion it will be lightweight title fight at MSG and Aldo rematch at 200 if it all goes to plan for him. Aldo will just wait in the meantime. This leaves Frankie being burned again but it's a realistic possibility, maybe he will be convinced with some force into fighting Holloway.
 
If he doesn't fight at 145 again it will be because he has trouble with the weight cut. Promoting against Aldo is not a burden, in fact I think most fans want it to happen, and it would comfortably be more of a draw than him fighting anyone at 155, as Aldo is still one of the best fighters in the sport. Conor winning doesn't absolve him from a rematch.

I dunno, would McGregor v Cerrone not be a be a big draw? Especially as Cerrone would naturally find it easier to promote the fight than Aldo given he's an English speaker. Plus McGregor would be fighting for a dual title, a pretty big event in its own right....

MMA fans would probably love to see him fight Aldo again but I wonder if there isn't a bit of Aldo/McGregor fatigue among more casual viewers. Certainly seemed like there was a bit less excitement here in Ireland this time around.
 
Barao is done in terms of being a dominant force. We saw that when TJ schooled him twice, and they were quite long lessons. Aldo is a different case because he just got caught. It's not like Conor dominated him or anything, just caught him with one shot and lights out. Not enough of a fight to make these claims...

You can't write a fighter off completely just because he lost twice to the same guy. He might never be a champion again but he can still be a force. Look at JDS, he is still a force despite being dominated by Cain twice. Barao is moving to 145 come to think of it so it will be interesting to see how he does. Maybe he can fight someone like Lamas first.

Robbie Lawlor, Werdum, RDA have all been written off in the past and now they are all champions. Guys like Arlovski and Maia are on great runs in the twilight of their career after people thought they were done.
 
You have to consider though that they've already spent close to a year doing face offs and promotion. I really don't think they want to immediately spend another 3 months doing the same.

In my opinion it will be lightweight title fight at MSG and Aldo rematch at 200 if it all goes to plan for him. Aldo will just wait in the meantime. This leaves Frankie being burned again but it's a realistic possibility, maybe he will be convinced with some force into fighting Holloway.

Maybe Aldo and Frankie would fight each other if McGregor goes up, possibly for the vacated title? Would make sense from their point of view. Aldo get the chance to win back his title, Frankie gets the title shot he wants. Would be an interesting fight in its own right too.
 
I dunno, would McGregor v Cerrone not be a be a big draw? Especially as Cerrone would naturally find it easier to promote the fight than Aldo given he's an English speaker. Plus McGregor would be fighting for a dual title, a pretty big event in its own right....

MMA fans would probably love to see him fight Aldo again but I wonder if there isn't a bit of Aldo/McGregor fatigue among more casual viewers. Certainly seemed like there was a bit less excitement here in Ireland this time around.

Cerrone's profile isn't nearly as big as Aldo's. The latter is widely recognized as one of the best fighters on the planet, whereas Cerrone is merely still a contender in his division. Fans certainly have more interest in a rematch than a 155 fight. It worked well with JdS/Cain, Silva/Weidman, and countless other cases including the next Rousey/Holm. It's entirely appropriate based on recent precedent.
 
Cerrone's profile isn't nearly as big as Aldo's. The latter is widely recognized as one of the best fighters in the planet, whereas Cerrone is merely still a contender in his division. Fans certainly have more interest in a rematch than a 155 fight. It worked well with JdS/Cain, Silva/Weidman, and countless other cases including the next Rousey/Holm. It's entirely appropriate based on recent precedent.

Most of what I have read and heard points towards the opposite to be honest. I feel the majority of fans and media alike want a break from Mcgregor - Aldo and want to see something else for now. It sounds funny saying that people want a break from what was barely even a fight in the end but they've been tied together for so long with all the tours, conferences, face-offs etc. It's time to do something else for a bit. People are sick of immediate rematches on the whole, even though Aldo would be more deserving than the other fighters who have gotten them.
 
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I think if McGregor got his way we'd see him fighting for the lightweight belt next while Edgar and Aldo fight each other. Then he'd come down again and defend against whichever of them wins. I suspect that's also why he made a point of saying he wouldn't vacate the flyweight belt, if the UFC were going to go down that route they'd probably want the Aldo/Edgar fight to be for the flyweight title (as would Aldo and Edgar).
Poor Frankie won a no 1 contenders match 3 fights ago!
 
I dunno, would McGregor v Cerrone not be a be a big draw? Especially as Cerrone would naturally find it easier to promote the fight than Aldo given he's an English speaker. Plus McGregor would be fighting for a dual title, a pretty big event in its own right....

MMA fans would probably love to see him fight Aldo again but I wonder if there isn't a bit of Aldo/McGregor fatigue among more casual viewers. Certainly seemed like there was a bit less excitement here in Ireland this time around.
Buildup not as big in Ireland this time round but Jesus the aftermath is beyond my wildest dreams

Nearly every paper had him on the front and there was non stop coverage on the radio

Incredible reaction from a country where not many people even knew about mma as a sport 2 years ago
 
You can't write a fighter off completely just because he lost twice to the same guy. He might never be a champion again but he can still be a force. Look at JDS, he is still a force despite being dominated by Cain twice. Barao is moving to 145 come to think of it so it will be interesting to see how he does. Maybe he can fight someone like Lamas first.

Robbie Lawlor, Werdum, RDA have all been written off in the past and now they are all champions. Guys like Arlovski and Maia are on great runs in the twilight of their career after people thought they were done.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I think Barao is still a great fighter and might do decent at 145. I'm just saying that he is no longer a dominant force as he was. He looked unbeatable before and that illusion is now gone. It's a different case with Aldo in my opinion as anyone can get caught with one punch.
 
Barao is done in terms of being a dominant force. We saw that when TJ schooled him twice, and they were quite long lessons. Aldo is a different case because he just got caught. It's not like Conor dominated him or anything, just caught him with one shot and lights out. Not enough of a fight to make these claims...

For me Aldo is done as well. His last fight with Chad is his real level... he wont be better than that. At least he doesnt look like having the motivation to learn new tricks. When he was young, it was enough with his natural talent, but the UFC in the last 5 years have improved so much in terms of profesionalism its just not enough with talent or hard work, you need both to be at the top. Frankie Edgar would probably destroy Jose Aldo if they where to fight tomorrow.

mark my words... jose aldo and barao are doner kebab.
 
After Barao's performances against TJ, and now Aldo's show, i think its fair to say these old champions from times when the level was nothing like it is today, have stagnated quite a bit and im not sure they have been receiving correct advice. Training camps in Brazil are not enough any more. Being saying that for a while now. Evolve or die...

ps. i actually dont see a very bright future for those 2...

I completely agree. Aldo and Barao used to be a whole level above anyone in those classes. Now Dillashaw, Conor and Cruz have changed the rules. Now Aldo and Barao sre just as far behind the leaders as guys like Eddie Wineland and Mark Hominick are to them. Who couldnt KO a fly.
 
Connor's accuracy really impresses me. Actually reminds me of Anderson Silva in a sense, like they're on a superior perception level in there as far as distance, timing and accuracy. Most fighters seem to throw for the sake of throwing at times, but Connor more than anyone else throws with a purpose.

I can't accept its a fluke because he talked beforehand about how he think it'd go, he's done it before, as we've seen Aldo was throwing a know combo of his. It might be fortunate in the execution, but only as much as any good plan with good execution still needs a pinch of luck to come off.

Check out the locker room footage at the end.

 
Buildup not as big in Ireland this time round but Jesus the aftermath is beyond my wildest dreams

Nearly every paper had him on the front and there was non stop coverage on the radio

Incredible reaction from a country where not many people even knew about mma as a sport 2 years ago
Prepare for everyone in Ireland to suddenly become an expert in "UFC" of the back of this, because their gym has a punch bag.
 
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Jesus that's grim. What was the ref thinking?
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Top class refereeing, that.
Prepare for everyone in Ireland to suddenly become an expert in "UFC" of the back of this, because their gym has a punch bag.

MMA sessions and gyms popping up everywhere. I briefly considered trying on recommendation of a friend, just sparring for fitness, though not actual combat.
 
Prepare for everyone in Ireland to suddenly become an expert in "UFC" of the back of this, because their gym has a punch bag.


Conor has a "movement" coach. Expect every other Irishman to be soon be touring the world as an expert in "thefeckoutmaiway!"

I'm part Irish so I can make fun of my own. ;)
 
I sure like the idea of betting on Conor and Holm to both win their next fights. Whatever it's called, parlay.

Might be the last time for a while either fights with odds long enough to make it worth doing. Holm beating Rousey and Conor over Edgar/RDA/Cerrone/Pettis sounds just fine to me. None are lethal finishers and aren't hard to lay a fist on, relatively speaking.
 
Is Mighty Mouse the only one that pretty much has no one breathing down his neck? Can't think of another flyweight who I'd expect to give him a run for his money.

I would like to see him taking on Henry Cejudo, but yeah, he is the most dominant champion. He keeps improving fight after fight...