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George Owen said:
this shit is so competitive you need all the help you can get. :D

speaking of the old champs, competitiveness in recent times and that...


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source: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/12/...-chris-weidman-join-losing-ufc-champions-2015
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It's amazing. I remember looking at that list and writing a post on here about how long it might take for one of those guys to lose the belt.
 
It's been a crazy year for title changes alright. To put it in perspective Joanna has the joint 2nd most title defences out of current champs (after DJ) and she won the belt 9 months ago. :wenger:

I agree also that DJ is the only one who really seems safe. It wouldn't be too much of a surprise for any of the others to lose their belts. I'd have Rockhold as second safest and a few days ago I thought he was going to lose to Weidman! Hell when you've followed this sport for awhile you learn that everyone can be beaten, even DJ meeting his match in the near future wouldn't surprise me any more as un-imagineable as it seems at the moment.
 
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Current champs:

DJ: Pound for pound best in the world at the moment and keeps improving. Listening to him in interviews you can tell he's a smart guy that keeps up with all the advances in the fight game. He isn't one to become stale. Would love to see him take on Henry Cejudo soon and see how that pans out. If he wins that, then I really can't see who in the division currently can beat him.

TJ Dillashaw: Came out of nowhere and seems like the real deal but we can only know this for sure after he fights Dominick Cruz. Their styles are very similar so if he gets past Cruz, then he can dominate for a while I think. I don't think he'll beat Cruz though.. that guy is a fecking beast.

Conor Mcgregor: Nothing to say here really that hasn't already been said. I still think he's not unbeatable and the likes of Frankie, Chad and Jose still have a shot against him. This is mainly due to his suspect ground/wrestling game. We haven't seen enough of it to make a call either way.

RDA: No one is safe in this division. With Cerrone, Ferguson, Pettis and Khabib (if he can stay fit) still lurking, this is the hardest division to dominate in my opinion.

Robbie Lawler: Another division that's hard to dominate. Hendricks took him close as did MacDonald. With the way Ruthless fights, you can see him turning into a cabbage sooner than later.

Luke Rockhold: Great win against Weidman and seems huge in a division full of pretty big guys. Has all the skills to lead the division and I can't see anyone outside of Weidman and Jacare that can challenge him. Especially Gay Jesus... man that cheat is a complete joke. Has the gas tank of an olympic smoker.

DC: He could have dominated but he won't because the real champ is back. He is just holding Bones' belt and will hand it back as soon as they face each other.

Fabricio Werdum: I'm not sold on him. Yes he beat Cain convincingly but he got caught against Mark Hunt for the interim title and could have been in trouble. Cain will be back better than before and Stipe and JDS are still around. Will be hard to keep hold of that belt.

Holm: Based on the Rosey KTFO fight she could dominate but she looked average prior to that and is a question mark.

JJ: Seems dominant at the moment but would like to see her against Rose before I make a call as Rose looked awesome against PvZ. Still think JJ takes it.
 
Next season of TUF is rumoured to be 115 pound women and light heavy men. Joanna and Claudia as coaches. They wanted to do womens bantamweights but couldn't find enough talent to fill out the show.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Current champs:

DJ: Pound for pound best in the world at the moment and keeps improving. Listening to him in interviews you can tell he's a smart guy that keeps up with all the advances in the fight game. He isn't one to become stale. Would love to see him take on Henry Cejudo soon and see how that pans out. If he wins that, then I really can't see who in the division currently can beat him.

TJ Dillashaw: Came out of nowhere and seems like the real deal but we can only know this for sure after he fights Dominick Cruz. Their styles are very similar so if he gets past Cruz, then he can dominate for a while I think. I don't think he'll beat Cruz though.. that guy is a fecking beast.

Conor Mcgregor: Nothing to say here really that hasn't already been said. I still think he's not unbeatable and the likes of Frankie, Chad and Jose still have a shot against him. This is mainly due to his suspect ground/wrestling game. We haven't seen enough of it to make a call either way.

RDA: No one is safe in this division. With Cerrone, Ferguson, Pettis and Khabib (if he can stay fit) still lurking, this is the hardest division to dominate in my opinion.

Robbie Lawler: Another division that's hard to dominate. Hendricks took him close as did MacDonald. With the way Ruthless fights, you can see him turning into a cabbage sooner than later.

Luke Rockhold: Great win against Weidman and seems huge in a division full of pretty big guys. Has all the skills to lead the division and I can't see anyone outside of Weidman and Jacare that can challenge him. Especially Gay Jesus... man that cheat is a complete joke. Has the gas tank of an olympic smoker.

DC: He could have dominated but he won't because the real champ is back. He is just holding Bones' belt and will hand it back as soon as they face each other.

Fabricio Werdum: I'm not sold on him. Yes he beat Cain convincingly but he got caught against Mark Hunt for the interim title and could have been in trouble. Cain will be back better than before and Stipe and JDS are still around. Will be hard to keep hold of that belt.

Holm: Based on the Rosey KTFO fight she could dominate but she looked average prior to that and is a question mark.

JJ: Seems dominant at the moment but would like to see her against Rose before I make a call as Rose looked awesome against PvZ. Still think JJ takes it.
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DJ should think about moving back up to BW if he manages to beat Cejudo. The only other contender coming through is Louis Smolka

Im looking forward to seeing how RDA looks next week. Im not into this whole everyone is on the juice thing although I do think it is a big problem in the sport. But with USADA its defo going to help and we have seen a few fighters look a bit different in recent months because of this I reckon

If there is one team I have concerns over it is Kings MMA. RDA had become very active and successful, suddenly stopped when he won the belt and hasnt been seen since. Just before USADA kicked in
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Current champs:

DJ: Pound for pound best in the world at the moment and keeps improving. Listening to him in interviews you can tell he's a smart guy that keeps up with all the advances in the fight game. He isn't one to become stale. Would love to see him take on Henry Cejudo soon and see how that pans out. If he wins that, then I really can't see who in the division currently can beat him.

TJ Dillashaw: Came out of nowhere and seems like the real deal but we can only know this for sure after he fights Dominick Cruz. Their styles are very similar so if he gets past Cruz, then he can dominate for a while I think. I don't think he'll beat Cruz though.. that guy is a fecking beast.

Conor Mcgregor: Nothing to say here really that hasn't already been said. I still think he's not unbeatable and the likes of Frankie, Chad and Jose still have a shot against him. This is mainly due to his suspect ground/wrestling game. We haven't seen enough of it to make a call either way.

RDA: No one is safe in this division. With Cerrone, Ferguson, Pettis and Khabib (if he can stay fit) still lurking, this is the hardest division to dominate in my opinion.

Robbie Lawler: Another division that's hard to dominate. Hendricks took him close as did MacDonald. With the way Ruthless fights, you can see him turning into a cabbage sooner than later.

Luke Rockhold: Great win against Weidman and seems huge in a division full of pretty big guys. Has all the skills to lead the division and I can't see anyone outside of Weidman and Jacare that can challenge him. Especially Gay Jesus... man that cheat is a complete joke. Has the gas tank of an olympic smoker.

DC: He could have dominated but he won't because the real champ is back. He is just holding Bones' belt and will hand it back as soon as they face each other.

Fabricio Werdum: I'm not sold on him. Yes he beat Cain convincingly but he got caught against Mark Hunt for the interim title and could have been in trouble. Cain will be back better than before and Stipe and JDS are still around. Will be hard to keep hold of that belt.

Holm: Based on the Rosey KTFO fight she could dominate but she looked average prior to that and is a question mark.

JJ: Seems dominant at the moment but would like to see her against Rose before I make a call as Rose looked awesome against PvZ. Still think JJ takes it.
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All of them are beatable, in fact I can't see any of them holding on to the title for more than 2-3 fights, except perhaps DJ and RDA.
 
Raoul said:
All of them are beatable, in fact I can't see any of them holding on to the title for more than 2-3 fights, except perhaps DJ and RDA.
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You like RDA over Conor? Or you think Frankie will beat Conor?

Any man can be beaten in a fight, there's no doubt, it's the nature of the beast.
 
Raoul said:
All of them are beatable, in fact I can't see any of them holding on to the title for more than 2-3 fights, except perhaps DJ and RDA.
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I think DJ is the least beatable of the lot but that's probably got to do with him being great and the division being nowhere near his level. Maybe Cejudo can do a Holm and prove us wrong. RDA is good but that division is so stacked with great fighters that there's no way he will hold on to that title for a long time (unless he's injured and not stripped of the belt).

Having said that, I think Bones (once he returns) could still dominate if his head is in the game. That mofo can beat anyone at their own game.
 
gooDevil said:
You like RDA over Conor? Or you think Frankie will beat Conor?

Any man can be beaten in a fight, there's no doubt, it's the nature of the beast.
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Its hard to tell how Conor would do at 155. The ferocity of kicks and punches tends to go up with weight class and there's really no way to know how he would fare. I think Edgar would give him a good run for his money and actually think Aldo would beat him if they fought again, which is probably why Dana and Lorenzo will not want to chance it. Last weekend's knockout was well earned, but it was an outlier much as Aldo's knee to Mendes, Silva getting knocked out by Weidman, JdS getting Cain, and Holm knocking out Rousey were. Champions usually come back with added ferocity and Aldo has been the ultimate champ over the years, which is why a rematch is essential. Otherwise Conor will be viewed as running away, which even he won't want.
 
Raoul said:
Its hard to tell how Conor would do at 155. The ferocity of kicks and punches tends to go up with weight class and there's really no way to know how he would fare. I think Edgar would give him a good run for his money and actually think Aldo would beat him if they fought again, which is probably why Dana and Lorenzo will not want to chance it. Last weekend's knockout was well earned, but it was an outlier much as Aldo's knee to Mendes, Silva getting knocked out by Weidman, JdS getting Cain, and Holm knocking out Rousey were. Champions usually come back with added ferocity and Aldo has been the ultimate champ over the years, which is why a rematch is essential. Otherwise Conor will be viewed as running away, which even he won't want.
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Well if you want to place a friendly bet on Conor to lose his next fight lemme know! I'll take him to win against anyone.
 
gooDevil said:
Well if you want to place a friendly bet on Conor to lose his next fight lemme know! I'll take him to win against anyone.
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Its hard to bet against him at the moment, but I wouldn't take the Aldo fight as a barometer of how he would fare against Edgar or even in an Aldo rematch.
 
Raoul said:
Its hard to bet against him at the moment, but I wouldn't take the Aldo fight as a barometer of how he would fare against Edgar or even in an Aldo rematch.
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Oh sure, Max Hollaway lasted 3 rounds be running away and getting taken down for half the fight. By the way, Max is no slouch on the ground and I was surprised how easily Conor passed his guard.

Aldo may be the best person to beat him still, because he's fantastic on the ground. Smartest to forgo the punching and just take it right to the mat immediately if you're Aldo, I would bet on Aldo to beat Conor in a bjj match.

Of course he could also fight conservatively, you can obviously hit Conor, he's no Cruz on his feet. So you hope you stun him then throw down a rear naked choke like fecking lightning. Which Aldo has done before, and does better than Frankie or RDA. Though Cerrone is very fast to put the RNC on a stunned downed opponent.

Imho Frankie is used to absorbing damage, and that wont fly, he'd be sleeping in a round, or two, possibly three cuz you never know.
 
Raoul said:
Its hard to tell how Conor would do at 155. The ferocity of kicks and punches tends to go up with weight class and there's really no way to know how he would fare. I think Edgar would give him a good run for his money and actually think Aldo would beat him if they fought again, which is probably why Dana and Lorenzo will not want to chance it. Last weekend's knockout was well earned, but it was an outlier much as Aldo's knee to Mendes, Silva getting knocked out by Weidman, JdS getting Cain, and Holm knocking out Rousey were. Champions usually come back with added ferocity and Aldo has been the ultimate champ over the years, which is why a rematch is essential. Otherwise Conor will be viewed as running away, which even he won't want.
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That could be part of it but it's more likely an Aldo rematch won't happen right away because not many would really be interested in seeing that right now. Because of Aldo pulling out of the July fight they have basically been promoting this fight for 9 months. Doubt many want to see another 3-4 months of McGregor winding Jose up and Aldo speaking through a translator. I know i don't.

I think most people would like to see McGregor face off against someone else next, it's obvious why UFC seem to be thinking about a move up to lightweight and a possible match up with Cerrone if he wins next week. Those two could be very entertaining together in promoting a fight.

I reckon his next fight will be at Lightweight with Aldo either fighting Edgar in a no.1 contenders match or just waiting until the summer for a possible McGregor rematch once he comes back down to Featherweight.
 
Snowjoe said:
Just read this about cutting weight http://fourhourworkweek.com/2013/05/06/how-to-cut-weight-ufc/

I had no idea fighters were cutting so much weight in such a short time, if they are all at it why don't they just fight at their weight and not go through that?
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Good question.

I suppose because those gaining an advantage, able to cut more weight, would oppose it. But I think weighing in the day of the fight would be much much better for everyone.
 
Snowjoe said:
Just read this about cutting weight http://fourhourworkweek.com/2013/05/06/how-to-cut-weight-ufc/

I had no idea fighters were cutting so much weight in such a short time, if they are all at it why don't they just fight at their weight and not go through that?
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Human Stupidity.

The only other reason i can think of not to regulate it better, might be because the people in charge of the rules consider cutting weight just like any other fight ability. Some guys have better jabs, some guys have stronger chins, some guys cut weight and recover better... ??
 
George Owen said:
Human Stupidity.

The only other reason i can think of not to regulate it better, might be because the people in charge of the rules consider cutting weight just like any other fight ability. Some guys have better jabs, some guys have stronger chins, some guys cut weight and recover better... ??
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I suspect the origins of the tradition comes from attempts by the promoters to cheat with secret weight cutting.
 
George Owen said:
i think so too... instead of attacking the problem, they just legalize it to make it even.
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Just seems mad, I'd rather see people weighed just prior to the fight and not be losing 20-30lbs of water right before a fight, it seems mental. A contest to see who can lose the most water. I'd be interested to see if the stress of going through that and not being totally rehydrated is worth cutting all that.

I just assumed fighters would dehydrate if they were like 5lbs over the weight limit 2 or 3 days before a fight, no idea they cut so much.
 
stevoc said:
That could be part of it but it's more likely an Aldo rematch won't happen right away because not many would really be interested in seeing that right now. Because of Aldo pulling out of the July fight they have basically been promoting this fight for 9 months. Doubt many want to see another 3-4 months of McGregor winding Jose up and Aldo speaking through a translator. I know i don't.

I think most people would like to see McGregor face off against someone else next, it's obvious why UFC seem to be thinking about a move up to lightweight and a possible match up with Cerrone if he wins next week. Those two could be very entertaining together in promoting a fight.

I reckon his next fight will be at Lightweight with Aldo either fighting Edgar in a no.1 contenders match or just waiting until the summer for a possible McGregor rematch once he comes back down to Featherweight.
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Hope it's Frankie v McGregor next. Partially because he's a likeable fighter who has already waited longer than he should for that title shot, partially because I think he could easily win.
 
sullydnl said:
Hope it's Frankie v McGregor next. Partially because he's a likeable fighter who has already waited longer than he should for that title shot, partially because I think he could easily win.
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Would actualy like to see that fight myself. Edgar is long overdue a title shot. Sadly for him though if it happens i dont see him beating McGregor myself.
 
Only back from Vegas, that was a crazy trip! That thirteen seconds was incredible to witness live, took a few seconds before we realised what happened.

Met a good few fighters, including Faber, Lobov and Hall, who was a gentleman to talk with.
 
Snowjoe said:
Just read this about cutting weight http://fourhourworkweek.com/2013/05/06/how-to-cut-weight-ufc/

I had no idea fighters were cutting so much weight in such a short time, if they are all at it why don't they just fight at their weight and not go through that?
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Because it would be very difficult to regulate and the temptation to fight at a lower weight by temporarily dehydrating yourself would be too great for most fighters. Conor Mcgregor for instance could fight at his actual weight of around 170lbs but the guy he is facing could easily be a 190-200 pounder who has temporarily cut down to 170 lbs for the weigh-in. The only way you could stop this is by bringing in random weighing sessions at various points leading up to a fight...but fighters will always find ways around this. As strange as it seems, the current system is the fairest approach.

gooDevil said:
Good question.

I suppose because those gaining an advantage, able to cut more weight, would oppose it. But I think weighing in the day of the fight would be much much better for everyone.
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Boxers used to be weighed on the day of the fight but it was deemed too dangerous because they were fighting in a dehydrated state. UFC fighters would be dropping dead is they had to make weight on the day of the fight.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Only back from Vegas, that was a crazy trip! That thirteen seconds was incredible to witness live, took a few seconds before we realised what happened.

Met a good few fighters, including Faber, Lobov and Hall, who was a gentleman to talk with.
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Yeah, heard Hall was a sound lad alright. Think he was in Ireland not long ago training at SBG.
 
rednev said:
Because it would be very difficult to regulate and the temptation to fight at a lower weight by temporarily dehydrating yourself would be too great for most fighters. Conor Mcgregor for instance could fight at his actual weight of around 170lbs but the guy he is facing could easily be a 190-200 pounder who has temporarily cut down to 170 lbs for the weigh-in. The only way you could stop this is by bringing in random weighing sessions at various points leading up to a fight...but fighters will always find ways around this. As strange as it seems, the current system is the fairest approach.



Boxers used to be weighed on the day of the fight but it was deemed too dangerous because they were fighting in a dehydrated state. UFC fighters would be dropping dead is they had to make weight on the day of the fight.
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Or they could just not cut weight! That's my idea, make the time between the weigh in and the fight too short to effectively use weight cutting.
 
rednev said:
Because it would be very difficult to regulate and the temptation to fight at a lower weight by temporarily dehydrating yourself would be too great for most fighters. Conor Mcgregor for instance could fight at his actual weight of around 170lbs but the guy he is facing could easily be a 190-200 pounder who has temporarily cut down to 170 lbs for the weigh-in. The only way you could stop this is by bringing in random weighing sessions at various points leading up to a fight...but fighters will always find ways around this. As strange as it seems, the current system is the fairest approach.
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I see.

That guy I posted seemed to have serious performance drops in that state though, let alone mental focus. Would a 190-200 pounder fighting at 170 not get given the run around by a natural 170 coming into the fight at full strength and fully hydrated?

I genuinely have no idea, all seems a bit strange to me.
 
Gol123 said:
Probably because he is a massive cnut:



I like it myself.
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Watching that makes me feel even more sad for Jose because him knocking Conor out would have been a class end to all this but gotta love Conor, he is a Messi-level world class WUM :lol:
 
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