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If he beats Mendes and Aldo his story from the bottom to the top will be more remarkable and remembered. If he just showed up and beat Aldo where would his story go from there?

I don't blame Aldo for pulling out, he knew Mcgregor was in his head and not he has a chance to change that.
 
Raoul said:
You mean train with less intensity ? Why would he do that prior to, as you say, the biggest fight of his career. Bottom line is if McGregor is what his hype suggests, he will dispatch Mendes. Although I don't know how that's going to happen since Mendes fought Aldo very well.
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Competitive sport doesn't work that way. Not with closely matched opponent and, despite the hype, even McGregor himself would admit Aldo was going to be a tough fight. Mendes ran him close and will be a really tough nut for McGregor to crack. The fight could go either way. Which is a bit of a disaster for the UFC, after so much focus on the Aldo fight. Dunno about training with less intensity but his track record suggests he's not training very smart. He's pulled out of an awful lot of fights with injuries. Him and his team need to try and understand why.
 
fuuuuuuuuuckkkkk

im only hearing this now.

Listening to the MMA hour in car this morning and everyone seemed so sure it would happen (except for Mendes obviously)
 
Pity about the fight, feel sorry for the Irish fans who coughed up some serious cash to get over for it. They should still get a great fight with Mendes v McGregor.

Only thing is now, McGregor loses and his title shot is proper fecked. I'd imagine he'd take a bit of a fall in the rankings.

If Mendes can get close to him I'd imagine he'll rag doll him on the mat and it's game over for Conor.
 
either way a McGregor loss would be a disaster for the man himself.

A loss to Aldo wouldnt be as bad for the UFC as they could promote Aldo as unstoppable, a loss to Mendes would not be a good thing at all
 
Randall Flagg said:
either way a McGregor loss would be a disaster for the man himself.

A loss to Aldo wouldnt be as bad for the UFC as they could promote Aldo as unstoppable, a loss to Mendes would not be a good thing at all
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and its not like he could turn it down after running his mouth off about every contender in his division.

Still be a great atmosphere, the Irish are always great at sporting events! :)
 
If doctors cleared Aldo to fight and he chose to pull out then he should be stripped of his belt and Conor v Mendes fight for it. Aldo is then the mandatory contender to fight the winner. wtf is an interim title, nobody cares about that or gives it credit, it's just trying to take away from the fact that this isnt a title fight anymore.
 
Jammydodger7 said:
If doctors cleared Aldo to fight and he chose to pull out then he should be stripped of his belt and Conor v Mendes fight for it. Aldo is then the mandatory contender to fight the winner. wtf is an interim title, nobody cares about that or gives it credit, it's just trying to take away from the fact that this isnt a title fight anymore.
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Completely agree, I thought last week docs said he was good to go. Three or 4 days later and it's off, definitely. What changed so dramatically in that time frame?

If he is basically refusing to fight then stripping him should be considered. Usually I'd not even think of it but this is the 5th time now that Aldo has cancelled a title fight because of "injury".
 
LilRicky said:
Only thing is now, McGregor loses and his title shot is proper fecked. I'd imagine he'd take a bit of a fall in the rankings.
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Whether you agree with it or not, this is his title shot. If he loses to Mendes then he doesn't deserve the title. He banged on about being the best in the division and therefore should be able to stop Mendes if he is as good as he says. Gutted about Aldo though. The docs said he's fine to go but he pulled out. I kinda want him to come back and lose to Conor now. It's so annoying.

On another note, looking forward Nelson vs. Thatch. Both coming off loses and both big prospects. Gonna be a really good one I think.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Whether you agree with it or not, this is his title shot. If he loses to Mendes then he doesn't deserve the title. He banged on about being the best in the division and therefore should be able to stop Mendes if he is as good as he says. Gutted about Aldo though. The docs said he's fine to go but he pulled out. I kinda want him to come back and lose to Conor now. It's so annoying.

On another note, looking forward Nelson vs. Thatch. Both coming off loses and both big prospects. Gonna be a really good one I think.
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An interim champ is a joke though, you've said it yourself there that Aldo pulled out of the fight himself. This is the 5th time he has done it so he should be stripped and let the next best two guys go at it and decide a new champ. Belts are often vacated, so I really don't see the issue.

But yeah, whoever McGregor fights he really should be winning now due to him running his mouth so much. We should still get a cracking fight between Mendes and McGregor :)
 
LilRicky said:
An interim champ is a joke though, you've said it yourself there that Aldo pulled out of the fight himself. This is the 5th time he has done it so he should be stripped and let the next best two guys go at it and decide a new champ. Belts are often vacated, so I really don't see the issue.

But yeah, whoever McGregor fights he really should be winning now due to him running his mouth so much. We should still get a cracking fight between Mendes and McGregor :)
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While true that he has pulled out of a number of fights he has never had a significant layoff. He's still defended his belt roughly twice a year without fail, in fact he has been one of the more active champs on the UFC roster. Doctors clearing him to fight is purely a health risk thing. Doesn't mean he is anywhere near good enough condition to actually put up a fight. Fact is none of us know the extent of the pain etc so we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Stripping him would be absolutely ridiculous given he defended his belt like 9 months ago and champs have gone 2 whole years without being stripped. Plus it would still be a paper belt whether it is interim or not as everyone would know Aldo is the real champ, like with Jon Jones.
 
LilRicky said:
Completely agree, I thought last week docs said he was good to go. Three or 4 days later and it's off, definitely. What changed so dramatically in that time frame?

If he is basically refusing to fight then stripping him should be considered. Usually I'd not even think of it but this is the 5th time now that Aldo has cancelled a title fight because of "injury".
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It doesn't really matter if its the 1st or 10th time he's done it. If he's not fit then he shouldn't be penalized for it. If anything the UFC have fecked themselves by overhyping McGregor which basically means he has to fight Mendes now. Otherwise, they could've just rolled the fight to the next UFC event.
 
Raoul said:
It doesn't really matter if its the 1st or 10th time he's done it. If he's not fit then he shouldn't be penalized for it. If anything the UFC have fecked themselves by overhyping McGregor which basically means he has to fight Mendes now. Otherwise, they could've just rolled the fight to the next UFC event.
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But the docs passed him to fight, as Justboy said we don't really know how much pain the guy was in though I suppose. I know there are far worse injury prone fighters out there than him, Cruz is probably the worst.
 
LilRicky said:
But the docs passed him to fight, as Justboy said we don't really know how much pain the guy was in though I suppose. I know there are far worse injury prone fighters out there than him, Cruz is probably the worst.
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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding, I think he only went to the doctors to clarify nothing was broken, I don't think they've said you can fight because the rib is not broken. I think that is more of the UFC assuming just because his ribs aren't broken that he is able to fight and have informed the media of this. They always spit their dummy out in these matters, when at the end of the day if Aldo doesn't feel like he is 100 percent then why should he fight? His career is much more important to him than giving the UFC some big numbers. Especially with all the bad blood between him and Conor, a loss would be devastating to him.

I'm team Conor as well but feel that Aldo is in the right to pull out if he feels he is too injured to fight.
 
shabz said:
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding, I think he only went to the doctors to clarify nothing was broken, I don't think they've said you can fight because the rib is not broken. I think that is more of the UFC assuming just because his ribs aren't broken that he is able to fight and have informed the media of this. They always spit their dummy out in these matters, when at the end of the day if Aldo doesn't feel like he is 100 percent then why should he fight? His career is much more important to him than giving the UFC some big numbers. Especially with all the bad blood between him and Conor, a loss would be devastating to him.

I'm team Conor as well but feel that Aldo is in the right to pull out if he feels he is too injured to fight.
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ah right, well the way its been put out into the media by UFC it suggests he was cleared to fight but chose not to risk it.

Sod it anyway, these things happen in MMA and we still get a great fight with Mendes. If McGregor is truly as good as he makes himself out to be then he should be winning this quite convincingly, not so sure he will though.

Who do people think will win between Mendes & McGregor?
 
LilRicky said:
ah right, well the way its been put out into the media by UFC it suggests he was cleared to fight but chose not to risk it.

Sod it anyway, these things happen in MMA and we still get a great fight with Mendes. If McGregor is truly as good as he makes himself out to be then he should be winning this quite convincingly, not so sure he will though.

Who do people think will win between Mendes & McGregor?
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I think McGregor will win, it might not be an easy fight but he will find a way. Mendes's only way of beating McGregor is by wrestling him for 5 rounds, so in that respect McGregor has many more ways to win this fight. I personally feel the way McGregor moves and the way he covers distance is going to be a big factor.

McGregor reach = 74 inch vs Mendes Reach 66 inch.

So Mendes will have to do a lot more work than usual to get into grappling position all while inevitably taking some powerful shots from McGregor. Plus McGregor has been training for a five round fight both mentally and physically for nearly 6 months now. Just too many odds in his favour for me.
 
Pretty much spot on Shabz, I'd be surprised if Mendes can get inside his striking and take him down clean. People have questioned McGregors wrestling for long time, it obviously isn't as good as Mendes but it should be enough to hold his own for the most part.
 
Can't stand Mendes. Conor will have the reach advantage but some are seriously underrating Mendes here. Don't think his only chance is taking down Conor either. The dude is lightning quick at times on his feet and possesses big time power. For me McGregor time and time again has left himself way too open defensively and somehow gotten away with it up until now. I said the same when he was scheduled to fight Aldo, if he doesn't come in better defensively he could find himself knocked out.

For me this is the fight where we'll find out whether he's the real deal at this moment in time. Personally I was struggling to predict the Aldo fight a little, was leaning towards Aldo but could have seen anything happening in that one. I don't think it's too different in this one either. Somebody will get knocked out, no doubt in my mind. Expect fireworks.
 
Yeah, wouldn't blame Aldo at all given that even simple things like breathing, laughing, coughing and getting out of bed are probably really painful for him atm. Can hardly expect him to fight like that and it might devalue the contest if he did. This is probably the single biggest payday in his life and he was under enormous pressure to make the fight, so saying no was the hard choice here.

Much prefer this then him fighting, losing and then blaming the defeat on the injury.
 
'People will be surprised... it's going to be tough for Chad' - Conor McGregor's wrestling coach
CONOR McGREGOR’S DETRACTORS will be licking their lips this morning.
With Jose Aldo withdrawing from UFC 189 due to injury, McGregor will instead face Chad Mendes in the main event in Las Vegas on 11 July.
Aldo would have represented a significant test for McGregor, but a bout against Mendes is one that many fans have wanted to see for a long time.
According to those who haven’t quite been convinced by McGregor’s spectacular rise to the top, the Irishman has yet to be tested by an elite wrestler.
In the featherweight division, wrestlers don’t come much more elite than Chad Mendes — a two-time NCAA Division One All-American.
According to McGregor’s wrestling coach, however, that won’t be a problem. Sergey Pikulskiy has been working with McGregor since joining Dublin’s Straight Blast Gym team in 2008.
Pikulskiy hails from Moldova and wrestled for his national team for seven years. He has an extensive background in both freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling, and is currently playing a key role in McGregor’s training camp.
“Conor’s been wrestling since day one when I came to SBG. From the start he picked things up right away. He’s probably the only person who never missed a wrestling class,” Pikulskiy told The42 from Las Vegas this morning.
“Because he’s a great striker, people haven’t seen his wrestling yet. But he’s very good, whether it’s throws, takedowns or defence. Conor has been wrestling for many years now.
“In the fight I think it’s going to be tough for Chad. He’s shorter, about my own size actually, so I know what kind of pressure Chad will feel in this fight.
“People are always going to talk, but if you’re comparing Conor now to many years ago when he had just started [McGregor suffered two submission losses early in his career], he’s totally different. A different animal altogether right now.
“People will be surprised because I’m sure Chad will try a few takedowns and Conor will stuff them. Even if Chad does manage to get him down, Conor will be back on his feet right away and I believe he’ll win by a nice KO.”
Jose Aldo may no longer be the opponent, but Conor McGregor now potentially has the opportunity to silence even more doubters than he would have had against the Brazilian.
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I'm intrigued to see McGregor's wrestling to be honest.
 
Raoul said:
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What the hell? That's the costo-chondral junction, not a fracture. You can even see the equivalent on the other side in the first two images.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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What the hell? That's the costo-chondral junction, not a fracture. You can even see the equivalent on the other side in the first two images.
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I have no real idea what I'm looking at but the resident doctors on reddit generally seem to think that this proves it was a clear fracture and that it's shameful for the ufc doctors to pretend it wasn't.

There is one guy who says he does this for a living and can see why there is disagreement on whether it is actually fractured but that there is clearly a serious injury.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
'People will be surprised... it's going to be tough for Chad' - Conor McGregor's wrestling coach

I'm intrigued to see McGregor's wrestling to be honest.
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Check the Max Holloway fight.

McGregor had only one leg in that for two rounds and held him down and dominated Holloway with ease on the floor

But I think some are underestimating Mendes big time. His only two losses are against Aldo

Strangely I think this is a tougher fight as of right now for McGregor. I think Aldo wasnt handling the pressure well
 
justboy68 said:
I have no real idea what I'm looking at but the resident doctors on reddit generally seem to think that this proves it was a clear fracture and that it's shameful for the ufc doctors to pretend it wasn't.

There is one guy who says he does this for a living and can see why there is disagreement on whether it is actually fractured but that there is clearly a serious injury.
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Rib fractures are actually notoriously tricky to diagnose with imaging. A lot of A&E docs say there's no point even doing an x-ray as it's unlikely to change the advice. Take it easy until it starts hurting. Not as though you can put ribs in a cast. Obviously, the stakes are higher here. That image is not very convincing, though. It looks as though the arrow is pointing at a part of the normal anatomy. Got a link to that reddit thread?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Rib fractures are actually notoriously tricky to diagnose with imaging. A lot of A&E docs say there's no point even doing an x-ray as it's unlikely to change the advice. Take it easy until it starts hurting. Not as though you can put ribs in a cast. Obviously, the stakes are higher here. That image is not very convincing, though. It looks as though the arrow is pointing at a part of the normal anatomy. Got a link to that reddit thread?
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Sure, I've just been browsing the comments on here http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/3btgur/jose_aldos_exams/

This guy seems to have the most legitimacy about him:

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I'm not 100 percent sure that is a fracture. Clearly there is something wrong with the end of his 11th rib on that side. But it could actually be damage to partially calcified cartilage at the top of the rib rather than a fracture of the bone.

I wish I could see the source images. The 3D reconstructions are nifty but they don't contain the same degree of detail as the source images.

At any rate, Aldo is out of the fight. Either injury is painful, and he probably can't endure the pain from all the cardio he'll need to do to cut weight. I bet that is what sealed the deal.

Source: I am a doctor (radiologist).
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Randall Flagg said:
Check the Max Holloway fight.

McGregor had only one leg in that for two rounds and held him down and dominated Holloway with ease on the floor

But I think some are underestimating Mendes big time. His only two losses are against Aldo

Strangely I think this is a tougher fight as of right now for McGregor. I think Aldo wasnt handling the pressure well
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I'd agree, having watched the original embedded series for Aldo vs. McGregor it looked to me that Aldo was uncomfortable with McGregor. Mendes is raring to go. As a McGregor fan I'll go with Conor on July 11 but it can easily go either way. I really want to see Conor smash Jose too.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Check the Max Holloway fight.

McGregor had only one leg in that for two rounds and held him down and dominated Holloway with ease on the floor

But I think some are underestimating Mendes big time. His only two losses are against Aldo

Strangely I think this is a tougher fight as of right now for McGregor. I think Aldo wasnt handling the pressure well
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In some ways that was his most impressive performance looking back at it. Only fair to mention that Holloway also broke his foot in the first round but regardless Mcgregor managed to take him down and dominate him very confidently despite tearing his knee ligaments.
 
justboy68 said:
Sure, I've just been browsing the comments on here http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/3btgur/jose_aldos_exams/

This guy seems to have the most legitimacy about him:
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Cool, thanks.

This comment made me chuckle.
For what it's worth, my wife is a radiographer and a sonographer, so she looks at this shit all day. I showed the picture to her and she said it's particularly fecked up because it could lacerate his liver.

Edit: Liver is on the other side. My wife is a shitty radiographer who doesn't normally read CT scans and she just glanced at this while at work and I took her text as gospel. Her job and our marriage are now on the line. But she says the kidney and spleen are nearby, and goddammit the rib is fecking broken.

Edited again: Maybe broken. Read the posts by lord_wilmore in this thread for what sounds like more reliable info than my efforts are producing.
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