Very shocking news.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
F*ck sake.
Testing is getting stronger and more serious so I expect more will get popped along the way. The thing is it's still rather easy to get away with certain forms of enhanced performance if you know what you're doing. Did you know that for his last fight at UFC 187 Chris Weidman supposedly had a T:E ratio 10x below the normal? Jon Jones also had a similar result before the Cormier fight. Two of the best champions both returning abnormal results. Fishy to say the least.
It's disappointing to be sure but I try not to crucify those who get caught like Gilbert too much because the sad likelihood is that they are just drops in the ocean. It only really bothers me when it leads to real dominance like Lance. Honestly where would the Melendez that showed up at UFC 188 even rank in the suspicion index? Not that high I imagine considering he gassed and looked like shit in the last two rounds. So the fact that HE got caught possibly tells a story in itself. He honestly might have been one of my safer picks if I had to guess 10 clean fighters.
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Episode 5
Just let them take whatever they want and test them before the fight. Any fighter not on PEDs gets to take nun-chucks into the octagon to make it even.
What a bunch of dicks they all looked on that boat. Hope McGregor wastes him.
What did they do on the boat? Must have missed it, I didn't notice anything dickish.
McGregor is a fecking goldmine for the UFC. Perfect combination of exciting fighter/charisma/shit-talking ability. Too bad he's not fighting at a higher weight class. Most of the knuckleheads in the UFC have the personality of a rock and can't string more than a couple sentences together.
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Team Alpha Male always make me chuckle a bit. Sometimes it comes across as if they are overcompensating for being short men by trying to be as 'Alpha' as possible. At the same time I quite like them and they mostly seem like a good group of guys.
"This is the day we drove the Irish out!"
What the feck are they even talking about?
Where did they drive the Irish out of?
Tbf, they're not getting paid for being particularly bright. Typical meatheads. Lame/non-sensical jokes are par for the course.
Mendes' trainer calling McGregor "McMuffin" was particularly cringe-worthy.
I knew someone who wrestled with Urijah Faber at Cal Poly SLO. He said he's never met anyone who talked more shit than him. Said whether it was to his own teammates, bouncers at a club, or random strangers, the dude was always looking for a fight. Tbf, I haven't really noticed that side to him here.
Now that you mention it, I do recall that. It's like something a crony would say straight outta an 80s movie like Karate Kid or Back to the Future.
Faber is an anti-vaxxer as well.
I still don't really understand why it's disappointing. I assume everyone who posts in this thread is MMA fan and the sport was built on athletes who take steroids. Isn't a bit like being disappointed to discover your favourite bodybuilder takes roids. The IPF is the most respected power lifting federation in the world and is "tested." Ed Coan failed 3 tests in his prime, yet ask anyone who is into power lifting who the greatest of all time is and most will say Ed Coan. The fans of that sport are realistic and no what it takes and that includes drugs.
To be an MMA fighter you rarely simply join the UFC. Yet I can't think of many if any fighters that have failed tests outside of sanctioned UFC events or events held in NV. Basically to become a UFC fighter you spend a few years fighting in untested events. You can't get to the big leagues and then stop taking drugs.
The reason most, if not all of us are into MMA is because we watched fighters taking drugs and it captured our imaginations. Why be disappointed by that?
Its disappointing because they are professional adult athletes who should know the rules.
rules are rules... simple as that. TRT glory days are over and fighters who don't adapt are fecked.
Weidman will be champion for a long long time, because he is probably the only or one of the few fighters ready for the new free trt era. A true champion.
ps. on a more personall level, Melendez have always been one of my favourites. Excellent commentator of the sport on tv and a warrior on the cage. too bad... hopefully he uses this year off to train clean and back stronger.
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Yeah I do know what you mean but still in an ideal world we'd like sport on the whole to be clean presumably. Otherwise it becomes less a level playing field and more a game of risk and sacrifice. There is always a little bit of disappointment when doping is discovered. Just thinking of how many competitions have their legacy tainted by drug scandals like Lance's TDF wins for example. Football and tennis will have their day at some point too whenever there is a push to force them to take it seriously.
Chad knows he'll have the minority of the support in his own country.
is he asking for the brazilian support?
no amount of support will get him to survive over a couple of rounds.
no amount of support will get him to survive over a couple of rounds.
The rules were always in place.
but not the testing system. That is sorted now.
But our perception of what is and isn't a level playing field is usually pretty warped.
The person who actually makes the best point about PED's is actually Chael. A lot of MMA fans have a problem with him and can't see past the pantomime villain thing and really think he's always making excuses and should be ignored. But his point about you shouldn't be taking anything that doesn't enhance your performance is true. The issue is where do we draw the line and it's hard to do that and leave a level playing field.
That's pretty naive. I haven't seen anything suggesting Romero failed his test yet? Are you suggesting he's clean?
Do you seriously think Weidmann isn't on EPO? It might not be a steroid and everyone uses it, but it's still on the banned list. Every UFC card you watch if full of fighters on this easy to obtain, relatively cheap drug, that is incredibly hard to detect, even with the advent of random testing. If you had to put you cold hard cash on it, would you seriously bet against Weidmann or any reasonably well fighter not being on HGH? Like EPO it's incredibly hard to get caught with. People think because Chael got caught with it, the tests are working, but if you listen to his podcast, he explained how he got caught and man was he dumb.
I believe so, yeah. A look to his body and you can tell its the result of hard work rather than extra help. Weidman on drugs would be double the size. He gets tired as well during his fights.
Plus, its the word inside the ufc world. Some people itk have come out to say they know everyone was/is on roids, except Weidman and very few others.
In my opinion its naive to think fighters can get away with cheating nowadays. 2 years ago i would agree with you, but not any more. Its a new era. UFC got serious, or at least, its on the way to be.
You aren't describing the effects of EPO. Pretty much all fighters take it as it means they don't have the issues with lactic acid and fatigue. It's not a mass builder, it's a stamina and recovery thing. That's how these huge guys like Hunt and Big Foot can be in absolute wars without dying of a heart attack. It's very difficult to get caught taking also. All fighters get tired in fights. EPO can't prevent that, but it massively helps and is why everyone is on it. Chaels first UFC 175 failing shows that is's incredibly difficult to catch someone on EPO. He only got caught on his second test as he thought he was done with random testing and had changed time zones. The first test found 3 other substances but didn't pick up EPO.
But the use of it, will result in bigger and stronger bodies if that's the goal. More stamina = more time in the gym = faster results whatever you are looking for.
edit: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/3/1...s-who-dont-use-peds-cant-compete-ufc-steroids
might be a biased opinion, but i think you don't go and say something like that unless you can back it up.
Cool little breakdown of Mendes vs. McGregor.
Conor wanted to bet Dana and Lorenzo $3 Million that he will KO Chad Mendes
He has got some balls.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/7/7...gor-offered-to-bet-us-3-million-hed-knock-out
He has got some balls.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/7/7...gor-offered-to-bet-us-3-million-hed-knock-out
Honestly it's a worthless opinion. Weidmann trained under Renzo. You can't train a fighter and then claim everyone takes PED's, as it "everyone" includes your fighter. It's like Matt Serra saying Chris has never taken anything.
If the goal is a bigger stronger body, EPO won't be the drug used. In MMA neither with HGH as it's used differently to in body building.
If you look at Anderson next to Chris, he is way less ripped. For years most people would have been certain Anderson never used in the same way you are sure Chris doesn't.
On the 8th Jan I posted this in this thread:
"Start being suspicious about all your heroes, be it it Anderson Silva or GSP"
Then on the 4th of Feb, it was announced that Anderson Silva got busted. Yet even after such an eye opening bust, there is still a resistance among fans to believe the reality. Gilbert Melendez just got caught. He'd have been on virtually no one's list of suspects, other than those who are involved in strength sports etc.
It's a great sport with drugs. It wouldn't be any better without them and it's only social conditioning that leads fans to think otherwise. The great memories we have when testing was minimal aren't false. It really was great to watch. Pride really was brilliant. The only thing that casts a shadow over it all is the refusal of fans to accept what really goes on, as by doing this they become disappointed when someone fails a test.
Team Alpha Male just seem like the cnuts that wear these on their off days to bring back their glory years
Still want Mendes to win.
Still want Mendes to win.
Haven't really checked out this MMA thread, but is it safe to assume that all Irish mma fans on this site are Team Conor?
I'd imagine most are, yeah.
Even if he wasn't Irish I'd still want him to win and enjoy his fighting style.
That's such a ridiculous statement from Gracie
Yeah yeah...everyone in the UFC is taking them...oh, well apart from these two, I keep a close eye on them.
"I don't take PED's"
Exactly what a clean fighter would say. Exactly what a dirty fighter would say.
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I also would have liked to give it to Silva etc. If everyone's taking it, then it's a level playing field anyway. Let them all take it and put on a good show.[/quote]
Most European MMA fans should be supporting him to be honest.
Any guess what time would McGregor and Mendes be fighting?
5am ish.
feck that.. will have to watch it in the morning so.
On that basis alone he should be every neutral fan's favourite. Infinitely more entertaining fighter than Mendes.
Of course, the gobby twat thing will go against him in this weird era we live in where people choose their sporting favourites based upon their personality.