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Raoul said:
The two better fighters won the last two fights. That said, both of them could've just easily been finished by their opponents in round one.

I don't think DC and Weidman will be as successful against Gustafsson and Rockhold.
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Yep sums it up well. I just watched the card now and basically Belfort and Johnson had the punchers chance. They could either land something big early and win or lose if the fight progresses beyond that. Funnily enough they both almost did land that something big, but just not quite enough. Cormier is a beast though, not surprised to see him win at all and if I was a betting man would have backed him no problem, going off as an underdog. Just reminds you how good Jon Jones is that he managed to beat him at his own game with the grinding style and the wrestling.

Also great to see Arlovski rolling back the years and making a run. Stipe should have the next shot at the belt but Arlovski with another win will be next in line.
 
Interesting that Dana hints at Jacare being next for Weidman before backtracking. I don't have a problem with it as Jacare couldn't have done much more than he has and time isn't on his side but it would certainly be unexpected. After fighting 3 Brazilians in a row and Weidman/ Rockhold being so similar in many ways it seems like the more obvious fight to make.

 
Rumble comes across as a really likeable dude.. DC comes across as a knob who will cry like a little bitch when Bones returns to whoop him. Glad for Cowboy, gonna get a shot at the title, the guy deserves it.
 
shabz said:
DC calling out Jones after saying that's the one thing he wouldn't do. Jones will come back and make him cry again.

Great card tonight, Arlovski and Brown was mental. 2 bonuses coming Arlovski's way I think. The title fights show how important wrestling is in the game compared to other aspects.
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I didn't see it as disrespectful at all.

What is he supposed to do? What can he do? He has flat out said Jones is the P4P best in the world, but that Jones has been DQ'd from competition for awhile. So should he go to Rogan and ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room? No, he said, get your shit together, and come fight me. That is DC saying Jon is the guy.

If he doesn't mention Jones, people gonna climb up his ass about being scared.

On an aside with Rumble.

Rumble is a terrifying dude. Did he wilt? Absolutely. He is also completely capable of fighting Jones and knocking him the feck out in the first round and a half before his tank starts to go. DC had problems taking down Jones due to leverage issues, but he is a far better wrestler than Jones. If Rumble ever gets to fight Jones, I don't know if Jones has the same tools DC has to weather that Rumble tornado. Rumble was knocking Cormier down, not because he hurt him, he was just blasting him to the ground with raw crazy-time power. Can Jones sustain that kind of shit? If Jones gets tagged does he have the wrestling to take Rumble down? Remember, Phil Jones is also a much better wrestler than Jones, and he couldn't do it either. It's kind of MMA math. Ya DC had serious problems with Jones, but that had to do with the fact Jones could engulf him like a spider due to size/length differences. Jones can't do that to Rumble, Rumble almost matches him in reach.

Is DC the guy to beat Jones? I dunno, I thought while the first fight was close, it was clearly a Jones win. Could DC do better? Probably, would it be enough to win? Not sure. Rumble on the other hand, even though he lost to DC and would probably lose again, has that early fight ability to stop anyone and just bulldoze them. Has Jones ever faced someone that is going to be bigger than him, and more athletic with that kind of power?

I wanna see that fight when Jones gets back. It should be lightning in a bottle. Either Rumble will spark him out early, or Jones will finish him in the mid to late rounds.
 
Nucks said:
I didn't see it as disrespectful at all.

What is he supposed to do? What can he do? He has flat out said Jones is the P4P best in the world, but that Jones has been DQ'd from competition for awhile. So should he go to Rogan and ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room? No, he said, get your shit together, and come fight me. That is DC saying Jon is the guy.

If he doesn't mention Jones, people gonna climb up his ass about being scared.

On an aside with Rumble.

Rumble is a terrifying dude. Did he wilt? Absolutely. He is also completely capable of fighting Jones and knocking him the feck out in the first round and a half before his tank starts to go. DC had problems taking down Jones due to leverage issues, but he is a far better wrestler than Jones. If Rumble ever gets to fight Jones, I don't know if Jones has the same tools DC has to weather that Rumble tornado. Rumble was knocking Cormier down, not because he hurt him, he was just blasting him to the ground with raw crazy-time power. Can Jones sustain that kind of shit? If Jones gets tagged does he have the wrestling to take Rumble down? Remember, Phil Jones is also a much better wrestler than Jones, and he couldn't do it either. It's kind of MMA math. Ya DC had serious problems with Jones, but that had to do with the fact Jones could engulf him like a spider due to size/length differences. Jones can't do that to Rumble, Rumble almost matches him in reach.

Is DC the guy to beat Jones? I dunno, I thought while the first fight was close, it was clearly a Jones win. Could DC do better? Probably, would it be enough to win? Not sure. Rumble on the other hand, even though he lost to DC and would probably lose again, has that early fight ability to stop anyone and just bulldoze them. Has Jones ever faced someone that is going to be bigger than him, and more athletic with that kind of power?

I wanna see that fight when Jones gets back. It should be lightning in a bottle. Either Rumble will spark him out early, or Jones will finish him in the mid to late rounds.
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I never said it was disrespectful, It's because he made a massive point of saying that he wouldn't mention Jon Jones after the fight in the Ariel Helwani interview. Tried to put himself across as a high and mighty person. He just needed to be honest with himself and say I will call him out after the fight, at least we know Jon Jones is a obnoxious guy but DC trying to portray himself as some clean cut guy who doesn't give it out is just funny to me.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Rumble comes across as a really likeable dude.. DC comes across as a knob who will cry like a little bitch when Bones returns to whoop him. Glad for Cowboy, gonna get a shot at the title, the guy deserves it.
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He does in his interviews. Yet he has been in trouble a fair few times for kicking the shite out of his missus.
 
Name Changed said:
I cannot take to Weidman at all. I wanted Belfort to smash him even if he is a big cheat.
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Me neither, not sure why as he has skills and all. There is just something missing.
He doesn't strike me as a long term champion although I feel the same about Rockhold and Jacare.

Got incredibly excited when Belfort rocked him but as soon as the takedown happened it was all over.

CassiusClaymore said:
Is there anything Phil Jones can't do?
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Haha, I knew there was something wrong when I first read it through, didn't quite click until your comment. We should definitely give Phil Jones a UFC nickname. Phil "The Face" Jones or the like.
 
Rockhold looks too big for that division, don't know how he makes weight especially as height adds so many pounds. It looked like a PE teacher beating up one of his students when he fought Lyoto.
 
Any news on Jon Jones' situation? Watched 187 and was thoroughly disappointed that DC won. I bet the marketers at the UFC were too.

Agree @Dirty Schwein, Rockhold is massive at that weight. He's due a shot now surely?
 
UFC would be far happier with DC winning than AJ

He is for now the perfect champ for them after the Jones conterversey
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Rockhold looks too big for that division, don't know how he makes weight especially as height adds so many pounds. It looked like a PE teacher beating up one of his students when he fought Lyoto.
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If the sport had been "clean" from the start then Rockhold wouldn't be that big (still be tall) for a middleweight. Within 3 years the average welterweight will be around 6ft in my opinion. You've got to remember that by the time they've put back on the water weight after the weigh in, middleweights usually weigh over 200 lbs. 200 lbs with low body fat isn't small for an athlete, even of Rockholds height.
 
I think Weidman gonna beat Rockhold and Jacare.

Stronger than both and the best wrestler. If needed, can dominate them on the ground and his GnP is brutal. His chin is strong as feck and his striking/jiu jitsu is top level as well. Both fights with big potential.

Rockhold with the bigger chances though, if anyone gonna take the belt from Weidman. Has the advantage to be able to train with Cain, a guy who can wrestle just like Weidman or better. Cormier as well.

Anyway, maybe a title eliminator between Jacare and Rockhold is the way to go?

edit. eventually he will have to fight both, so doesn't really make sense does it? title eliminator?
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Rockhold looks too big for that division, don't know how he makes weight especially as height adds so many pounds. It looked like a PE teacher beating up one of his students when he fought Lyoto.
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:lol:

Rockhold did say he would move up once he wins the belt.
 
Only just realised how crazy July is.

UFC 189 - Aldo/McGregor, Lawler/MacDonald - Saturday July 11th
The Ultimate Fighter Finale - ATT/Blackzillians - Ellenberger/Thompson - Sunday July 12th
UFC Fight Night 71 - Mir/Duffee (very underrated card. Holm's second fight on this card. Ferguson/Thomson and Green/Iaquinta too) - Wednesday 15th July
UFC Fight Night 72 (First ever event in Scotland) - Bisping/Leites (Pearson and Calderwood also on the card) - Saturday July 18th
UFC on Fox 16 - Dillashaw/Barao (Tate/Eye, Barboza/Jury, Lauzon/Gomi and more!) - Saturday July 25th

Incredible month. From the 11th it's just all systems go for 2 straight weeks, five shows over a period of 14 days. July 25th is the final show of the month, guess what comes a week later on August 1st? Rousey/Correia (expect Rousey as pumped as ever after the suicide comments from Correia this past week, not that she wasn't fecking hyped already, that's just taken it a step further). In fairness June also has some really nice fights too, Cain finally returning and an awesome women's Straweight title fight :drool:
 
Weidman is better than Rockhold everywhere, I'm pretty confident of that.

Weidman out struck Machida for a solid 2-3 rounds. Before Machida got sat on and smashed, he was tuning Luke up.

Weidman used his big ole Jersey Shore noggin to exhaust Vitor. Luke got spinning ninja kicked into next century by Vitor (granted this was juiced to the gills Vitor, but then again is anyone suggesting Luke isn't geared the feck out also?!).

Weidman is a better wrestler too, and he is gigantic.

Could Luke win? Sure, just like Matt Serra won vs GSP.
 
Just me or does Charles Olivera look a bit like Nani?

What a nice guillotine to finish the fight.

Condit finally back after that knee injury he suffered during the fight. Have always rated him.
 
Condit is brilliant, one of my favourite fighters.

Olivera was class. I was delighted to see Lentz lose, he comes across as an asshole.
 
Just watched Condit go to town on Alves, at one point you could see blood spurting from Alves's face out on to his leg. Good stoppage as he was only going to take more damage. Condit looked quite sharp after so long out.

Not just true for this fight but does anyone else notice an increase in the the effective use of the elbow (when standing) in recent times?
 
Nucks said:
Weidman is better than Rockhold everywhere, I'm pretty confident of that.

Weidman out struck Machida for a solid 2-3 rounds. Before Machida got sat on and smashed, he was tuning Luke up.

Weidman used his big ole Jersey Shore noggin to exhaust Vitor. Luke got spinning ninja kicked into next century by Vitor (granted this was juiced to the gills Vitor, but then again is anyone suggesting Luke isn't geared the feck out also?!).

Weidman is a better wrestler too, and he is gigantic.

Could Luke win? Sure, just like Matt Serra won vs GSP.
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I doubt there's much difference between both of them. Rockhold is coming in with a lot of confidence and I don't see any weakness in his game. He certainly had a much easier time with Machida than Weidman did. And although Weidman is a very good/complete fighter and probably in his prime at the moment, i can't help shake the suspicion that his legend has grown due to a couple of highly improbable results vs A Silva, both of which involved negligence and accidents on Silva's part.
 
Raoul said:
I doubt there's much difference between both of them. Rockhold is coming in with a lot of confidence and I don't see any weakness in his game. He certainly had a much easier time with Machida than Weidman did. And although Weidman is a very good/complete fighter and probably in his prime at the moment, i can't help shake the suspicion that his legend has grown due to a couple of highly improbable results vs A Silva, both of which involved negligence and accidents on Silva's part.
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Weidman was winning the stand up vs Machida.
Luke was getting picked apart vs Machida.

Luke IS an enormous MW, he'd be a big LHW. So yea, when Machida and Luke clattered into each other and Luke ended up on top it was always going to be difficult for Machida. Luke did what he had to do and made it look easy.

However, Weidman is also an enormous MW, perhaps not as big as Luke, but still pretty damn big. Weidman also absolutely demolished Vitor who knocked Luke into orbit with a wheel kick.

This is my break down.

Striking Weidman
Wrestling Weidman
Submissions Rockhold (probably)
Top control a wash.

Who dominates on the ground will probably hinge on who takes whom down. I think Weidman has the better chance of doing this. That isn't to say Luke can't get him down. Machida has historically been one of the hardest people to take down in the sport, and yet even Machida can end up on the bottom when two big dudes trip over each other.
 
Nucks said:
Weidman was winning the stand up vs Machida.
Luke was getting picked apart vs Machida.

Luke IS an enormous MW, he'd be a big LHW. So yea, when Machida and Luke clattered into each other and Luke ended up on top it was always going to be difficult for Machida. Luke did what he had to do and made it look easy.

However, Weidman is also an enormous MW, perhaps not as big as Luke, but still pretty damn big. Weidman also absolutely demolished Vitor who knocked Luke into orbit with a wheel kick.

This is my break down.

Striking Weidman
Wrestling Weidman
Submissions Rockhold (probably)
Top control a wash.

Who dominates on the ground will probably hinge on who takes whom down. I think Weidman has the better chance of doing this. That isn't to say Luke can't get him down. Machida has historically been one of the hardest people to take down in the sport, and yet even Machida can end up on the bottom when two big dudes trip over each other.
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Not sure if Belfort-Rockhold is comparable to Belfort-Weidman as Vitor seemed completely roided up against the former and not-roided up and two years older against Weidman.

The Machida comparison is probably a bit more realistic since its more recent. Lyoto took Weidman the distance and was clearly better in the final rounds, whereas Rockhold dispatched Lyoto in a couple of rounds, and with little trouble. I think Weidman-Rockhold will be a good, even fight with no fighter having an obvious advantage.
 
Raoul said:
Not sure if Belfort-Rockhold is comparable to Belfort-Weidman as Vitor seemed completely roided up against the former and not-roided up and two years older against Weidman.

The Machida comparison is probably a bit more realistic since its more recent. Lyoto took Weidman the distance and was clearly better in the final rounds, whereas Rockhold dispatched Lyoto in a couple of rounds, and with little trouble. I think Weidman-Rockhold will be a good, even fight with no fighter having an obvious advantage.
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I also tend to think the vast majority of the guys at the top level are on something too, be it test or GH. I'd be absolutely shocked if almost unanimously the top 10-15 guys in each division were not at least using GH. Basically if they can afford it, they are on it. So ya, call me a pessimist I guess, though I don't really see it as pessimism, I honestly don't give a shit if they are or if they are not. The argument that the drugs are bad because they are dangerous seems a little shallow these days, what with pretty much any contact sport 100% causing brain damage, even football (not the other one!).
 
Rockhold it is that get's the shot against Weidman.

Good chance that it's Gustaffson to get the first shot at Cormier too according to Dana, very interesting fight if it happens.

Rashad apparently looking at a September return, possibly Bader. Hopefully he can get himself fit and back in there.
 
I don't see Rockhold beating Weidman. Chris is just slightly better than him everywhere in my opinion and he's pretty much the only guy Luke won't have a size advantage over.
 
This is silly. I'm a huge fan of Gus but he just lost a fight and shouldn't be fighting for the title just as DC shouldn't have fought for the title.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
This is silly. I'm a huge fan of Gus but he just lost a fight and shouldn't be fighting for the title just as DC shouldn't have fought for the title.
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DC was more understandable as he'd only ever lost to Jones and so with Jones briefly out of the picture he really is the guy. Gus however has lost two of his last three and only has 1 win (over Manuwa) since December 2012. An extremely inactive fighter in recent years and just pulled out of his scheduled main event fight in Berlin due to injury, now gets rewarded with a bump up to title shot. It says a lot about the state of the light heavyweight division that Gus is the next contender, as much as I like him.
 
justboy68 said:
DC was more understandable as he'd only ever lost to Jones and so with Jones briefly out of the picture he really is the guy. Gus however has lost two of his last three and only has 1 win (over Manuwa) since December 2012. An extremely inactive fighter in recent years and just pulled out of his scheduled main event fight in Berlin due to injury, now gets rewarded with a bump up to title shot. It says a lot about the state of the light heavyweight division that Gus is the next contender, as much as I like him.
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Probably should have been Bader. Although I think DC would smash him, he has been on a little streak so maybe would have made sense...
 
It had to be Gustafsson, there's no other contenders right now. Bader trying to talk his way into a title fight is ridiculous, DC would completely maul him and his four fight win streak isn't going to change that. Gus is coming off of a loss to Johnson who just lost to DC, could have been different on another night as well as he simply got caught. Prior to that before Manuwa it was a loss for the title to Jones who more people than not feel he actually beat and should have had a rematch.

Had to be Gus. One of the legit people that can put up a challenge right now to DC too.
 
Well, im sure DC will beat Gustaffson. Unless Gus can imitate to perfection Jones tactics to stop DC, he will found himself on the ground with DC on top, and will get finished. TKO or submission.

would be nice there were more contenders but i guess this is the best fight after Johnson. Definitely not the most stacked division.

edit.

Main Card (Fox Sports 1)
Middleweight Tim Boetsch vs. Dan Henderson
Heavyweight Ben Rothwell vs. Matt Mitrione
Lightweight Dustin Poirier vs. Yancy Medeiros
Featherweight Thiago Tavares vs. Brian Ortega
Bantamweight Joe Soto vs. Anthony Birchak
Bantamweight Francisco Rivera vs. Alex Caceres
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)
Heavyweight Shawn Jordan vs. Derrick Lewis
Welterweight Brian Ebersole vs. Omari Akhmedov
Lightweight Chris Wade vs. Christos Giagos
Lightweight Joe Proctor vs. Justin Edwards
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)
Middleweight Ricardo Abreu vs. Jake Collier
Bantamweight José Quiñonez vs. Leonardo Morales

not a bad card for the weekend... HEndo's last paycheck maybe? 5 defeats out of his last 6 fights.
 
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Dirty Schwein said:
This is silly. I'm a huge fan of Gus but he just lost a fight and shouldn't be fighting for the title just as DC shouldn't have fought for the title.
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Gus is next in the rankings and should rightfully fight DC. He did significantly better against Jones than DC did, so its not as he shouldn't get a crack at DC.
 
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