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He thinks it was a premature stoppage.
He was out after the uppercut
Uh. Awful stoppage.
Sorry but Fedor wasn't even remotely out. He got rocked and then tagged by what might have been a shot to the back of the head. He went down and IMMEDIATELY SPUN to his side and sat up. If you're out you don't do that sorry and the idea that you can get woken up by another shot is a myth. It just puts you out more ala Bisping.
Too late. Retard Dean botches yet another fight.
Terrible stoppage.
Sorry but Fedor wasn't even remotely out. He got rocked and then tagged by what might have been a shot to the back of the head. He went down and IMMEDIATELY SPUN to his side and sat up. If you're out you don't do that sorry and the idea that you can get woken up by another shot is a myth. It just puts you out more ala Bisping.
Too late. Retard Dean botches yet another fight.
Terrible stoppage.
Wow. Savage stuff from Hendo. Stoppage looked premature on the replay as Fedor was clear-eyed at the time of the stoppage, but then again the ref couldn't see that and I don't think Fedor could have got out of the position anyway. Also, it looks like Fedor wouldn't change facial expression even if he was beat to death. Still doesn't reflect well on Dean.
Fedor was getting his arse kicked, there was no way he was getting out of it.
This isn't the first pony Dean has pooched. He is a terrible ref.
If Brock Lesnar can get punched in the face for 5 minutes. If Shane Carwin can get slammed on for 5 minutes. If Cain can get stanky legged twice or three times and none of these fights are stopped. Fedor gets stunned and then blasted full bore in the back of the head 2 or 3 times and STILL is fecking unphased when he spins and sits up...
Herb Dean is a twat.
Really? He just took a dump on Hendo and in a characteristic move of over aggression over committed and allowed Hendo to sneak in an upper cut. It knocked him down but it didn't put him out.
Fedor was as hurt from that punch as Hendo was from the flurry of punches that put him on his ass turtling from a Fedor barrage.
I think what is also interesting to note is that Hendo blasted Fedor with what appeared to me to be 2 or 3 illegal shots to the back of the head after the initial uppercut.
My first reaction when Dean jumped in was that he was going to either warn Hendo or take a point. The fact that Fedor was sitting up and getting ready to stand up AS Herb Dean launched himself into the mix is absolutely fecked.
I've got to agree here to an extent. Dean was in an awkward spot as Fedor looked out momentarily judging from the back of his head after the uppercut landed, but at the moment he actually pushed Hendo off of him Fedor was clearly still conscious and trying to defend himself. I think Henderson would have forced the stoppage there anyway from that position but in a fight of this magnitude it was a clumsy stoppage.
Completely agree.
Cobblers. He was out from the uppercut.
That doesn't show the moment where Dean actually forces the stoppage though. I agree he was momentarily out after the uppercut, but by the time Dean gets his hands on Henderson to actually make the stoppage Fedor's eyes are open and he's moving. 'Intelligently defending himself' might be a stretch, but after seeing the leeway given to the likes of Brock against Carwin and Diaz against Daley I still feel Fedor should have been given a few more seconds.
Bullshit stoppage.
Far too early for me too. Herb Dean normally such a good ref.
Well I can see that point of view as the guy is warrior and no true fighter will ever really be happy with the ref stopping the fight.... but by your own admission he was out.
Brock & Diaz were both close to being stopped certainly (the Brock one was ridiculous imo) but neither had their lights turned off completely. Dean is responsible for the fighters safety at the end of the day and some serious damage could have been done if Hendo would've knocked him unconscious again in such a short space of time.
Brock & Diaz were both close to being stopped certainly (the Brock one was ridiculous imo) but neither had their lights turned off completely. Dean is responsible for the fighters safety at the end of the day and some serious damage could have been done if Hendo would've knocked him unconscious again in such a short space of time.
I think its clear what happened. Fedor got rocked with the uppercut, and ate two more heavy shots. Herb Dean called it there and tried to get Henderson off of Fedor. At the time it was a good call to stop Fedor from any unnecessary damage. Look at the situation after all: Fedors been rocked, takes more damage and Henderson has his back in attack mode. I think it's a good call from that perspective. However once he stepped in he stopped Hendo from landing shots and Fedor begins to recover. Had Dean not stepped in then Emelianenko would have continuted to get pounded.
Good call in my eyes
Good call in my eyes
So you are fine with the blatantly illegal blows to the back of the head?
Oh they were defintely illegal blows but he was out from that uppercut. I don't care how long it was for. A KO is a KO. Fight over.
I wouldn't call them blatant. You're clearly outraged that Fedor lost so maybe it's possible that you are very black and white about the whole thing.
Except that he wasn't KO'd. He was obviously stunned, and, despite the blatant punches to the back of the head, still managed to get on his back again.
It was a bullshit stoppage.
Laziest "argument" ever. You should be fecking ashamed of yourself.
I wasn't engaging you in an argument, even though it's clear you're dying for one. I gave my opinion on the matter and I can't be arsed trying to convince you, since you're obviously disgusted that Fedor lost.
That is twice now. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt the first time, but you obviously are an idiot.
Yep, no point arguing if we can't agree if he was out or not. That's the crux of the issue after all.
My initial post was to Pat really who acknowledged that he was out but felt he could've been given a few more seconds.
In my book a face plant is pretty definitive. I've seen some people say that Hendo was physically forcing him to the mat but after repeatedly looking at the clip it's obvious his legs go and he drops away.
I'm not denying he'd recovered by the time Dean steps in.
My initial post was to Pat really who acknowledged that he was out but felt he could've been given a few more seconds.
In my book a face plant is pretty definitive. I've seen some people say that Hendo was physically forcing him to the mat but after repeatedly looking at the clip it's obvious his legs go and he drops away.
I'm not denying he'd recovered by the time Dean steps in.
[beardsleybob]You only think that because you hate Fedor and want to make love to Henderson.[/beardsleybob]
I'm gutted for him and more than a little pissed off at smug cnuts like Dana White constantly gloating about it. He deserves more respect than that.
Wasn't he supposed to be invincible only a few fights back? What happened? I don't really follow MMA, I only watched this fight on youtube after hearing about the ending.
Oh, and White is an insufferable cocksucker.
Oh, and White is an insufferable cocksucker.
Nobody is invincible Lance. As my old coach used to say - you can't put muscle on your chin.
I've been reading a fair bit today and a lot are comparing Fedors reign in mma to Tysons in boxing. Both incredibly intimidating fighters that perhaps won a lot of fights before a punch was even thrown. I've also seen people say that they pretty much bullied weaker opponents but I'd take issue with that in Fedors case certainly.
He's consistently fought guys much bigger than him and destroyed them. He beat Minotauro and CroCop at their peaks and would've smashed any heavyweight in the UFC at that time (He beat Tim Sylvia only a year after he lost the UFC heavyweight title).
It would've been cool to see him fight Randy a few years back. That would've cemented his legacy but sadly they could never agree anything with the UFC.
As far as what has gone wrong with him now. Probably a few things. Age, confidence maybe?
Right. I was wondering if his record was padded. You see it in boxing quite often, a guy is undefeated for a long time against opponents who may not be quite as they appear on the surface. Then when they genuinely step up in class they get turded.
Fedor's just hit the limit of cumulative damage his body can take. Same thing happened with Chuck - 7 win streak including 4 title defenses and then loses 5 of the next 6 and retires. Wanderlei's going through the same thing.
Nah, not at all.
He was subbed by Werdum, stopped on a cut against Bigfoot and there's still some controversy (although not in my eyes) over the Henderson stoppage.
Unlike Chuck and Wand, Fedors chin isn't in question. Christ, a stiff breeze would knock either of those 2 out these days.
He was subbed by Werdum, stopped on a cut against Bigfoot and there's still some controversy (although not in my eyes) over the Henderson stoppage.
Unlike Chuck and Wand, Fedors chin isn't in question. Christ, a stiff breeze would knock either of those 2 out these days.
Didn't take much of a punch to spark him out - albeit momentarily - against Henderson.
1st time he's ever been ko'ed though.
Henderson also has a brick for a right hand.
All I'm saying is that he shouldn't retire on the basis that Chuck did or for the same reasons that Wanderlei and CroCop should.
Henderson also has a brick for a right hand.
All I'm saying is that he shouldn't retire on the basis that Chuck did or for the same reasons that Wanderlei and CroCop should.
That's the point though, Chuck's chin wasn't in question either, he hadn't been ko'd before in like 20 ufc fights and suddenly he was dropping from half punches. It's not just the chin either, it's the recovery speed as well. I'd be surprised if Fedor won another fight against anyone half decent.
I am no expert but this is what I thought of Fedor after the Silva loss. I think majority of the top light heavy and heavy weights would destroy him.
Jake Shields dominated Hendo at middleweight a year ago
It's certainly an argument that has more than a hint of truth in it but I will still argue that at the time (4-5 years ago) there wasn't really another HW on the planet who could hang with him.
Pride was pretty much acknowledged as the bigger talent pool than the UFC back then.
Thinking about it some more today a big reason for his recent run of bad form is IMO down to the way he trains. AFAIK (as seen in the documentary on him) he trains pretty much in isolation in his native homeland, sticks with the same techniques and surrounds himself with the same bunch of people. Naturally having worked for him for so long he is loathe to change it but I think it's a detriment to him as a fighter in a sport that evolves as fast as MMA.
Look at someone like GSP for example. He's always changing thinggs up, travelling around the globe and picking up new techniques and he's very critical of his own performances even when he wins comfortably. That's the mark of someone who wants to stay on top. Not just someone who's content to stagnate whether they have a belt or not.
You're right in that he won't be able to compete with this generation of HW fighters without changing something (if he still cares). They're not only bigger than him now but more worryingly for the likes of Fedor they are also very well rounded.
Fedro was a great fighter (of his time). Just as Royce Gracie was of his. Sadly that time now looks to be over.
Pride was pretty much acknowledged as the bigger talent pool than the UFC back then.
Thinking about it some more today a big reason for his recent run of bad form is IMO down to the way he trains. AFAIK (as seen in the documentary on him) he trains pretty much in isolation in his native homeland, sticks with the same techniques and surrounds himself with the same bunch of people. Naturally having worked for him for so long he is loathe to change it but I think it's a detriment to him as a fighter in a sport that evolves as fast as MMA.
Look at someone like GSP for example. He's always changing thinggs up, travelling around the globe and picking up new techniques and he's very critical of his own performances even when he wins comfortably. That's the mark of someone who wants to stay on top. Not just someone who's content to stagnate whether they have a belt or not.
You're right in that he won't be able to compete with this generation of HW fighters without changing something (if he still cares). They're not only bigger than him now but more worryingly for the likes of Fedor they are also very well rounded.
Fedro was a great fighter (of his time). Just as Royce Gracie was of his. Sadly that time now looks to be over.
Nice post Cassius. I've only been an MMA fan for approx 5yrs so not seen all of Fedor (but seen most of his fights on the net). For me, a few years ago wen i first started watching MMA, there was an aura around Fedor where most ppl (fighters included) thought he was pretty invincible. He went into most fights with his opponents already beaten as they didn't think they could win - same kind of thing with Tyson.
With the recent deterioration in performance, this aura was taken away and people started to believe that they could beat him.
To fall as far down to let Hendo beat him though is some fall. Don't get me wrong, Dan is a great fighter but a middleweight fighter who got beat at middelweight in the UFC - to beat a heavyweight is some going!
Thanks R0nald0. Yep, you're right about his aura.
On the other point, certainly Dan would've been lighter (I think he came in 16 pounds lighter eventually) but he has fought half his career as a LHW whereas Fedor has always been considered a small HW. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that.
Been watching mma since 94. I remember getting UFC 2 on vhs from HMV in my first year at Uni. It actually had a card inside the case which you could fill in and post off if you were interested in entering a future tournament.
Those were the days. It was brutal then as well.
On the other point, certainly Dan would've been lighter (I think he came in 16 pounds lighter eventually) but he has fought half his career as a LHW whereas Fedor has always been considered a small HW. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that.
Been watching mma since 94. I remember getting UFC 2 on vhs from HMV in my first year at Uni. It actually had a card inside the case which you could fill in and post off if you were interested in entering a future tournament.
Those were the days. It was brutal then as well.
I did exactly the same. It was so brutal I was put off it and didn't get back into watching for another decade or so.
The whole bare-knuckle thing freaked me out. I know these 4oz gloves don't give much protection but there's something really unpleasant about watching an un-gloved fist knocking lumps out of someone's head...