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Stobzilla said:
This Shogun was nowhere near his best. Jones stepped up and fought an amazing fight tonight but let's just see how he deals with a Shogun free of rust and with a point to prove.
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The Jones we saw tonight, will be even better the next time they fight. He's a kid. His learning curve is off the charts and his potential isn't even close to being realized. I was hoping desperately Jones wasn't ready for Shogun as that would buy him another year or two with the title. Problem is, he has it now, he just smashed Shogun in one of the most dominating title fights I've ever seen in MMA.

It wasn't like he just KO'd Shogun, he systematically dismantled him in such dominant fashion it was a little hard to watch as a Shogun fan.
 
Just caught the final round on YouTube. Very impressive. Even though Shogun outclassed Lyoto twice, I reckon Lyoto's awkward style might give Jones some problems.
 
Nucks said:
Ya, but.

Forrest BARELY beat Shogun who hadn't fought in something like 2 years, who was terribly out of shape.

Shogun just got RUN THE feck OVER. He might do better in a rematch, but how much better? How many times did he actually hit Jones? I'm honestly trying to think of a single time Shogun actually hit him standing and I am a huge Shogun fan.

Jones is only going to improve. His techniques will get better, he will get more seasoned. He's a freak.
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I remember something similar being said about Lesnar two years ago.

I see complacency written all over Jones. He'll slip after a defence or two.
 
With all due respect, Brock was and is a one dimensional fighter. Jones is impressive in every single aspect. Complacency and cockyness could set in, we'll have to wait and see. But in no way could he ever be compared to Lesnar. Lesnar had one way to beat you... Jones can beat you every single way
 
Stobzilla said:
I remember something similar being said about Lesnar two years ago.

I see complacency written all over Jones. He'll slip after a defence or two.
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How do you see complacency written all over someone who has only gotten better and better since being in UFC? :confused:
 
I didnt catch it at the time, I'm just loading the fight to watch again but apparently Shogun is tapping at the end of the fight, to strikes. A lot of fighters refuse to tap to strikes and Shogun is one tough sob, but if this is the case then I think that pretty much shows how outclassed he was in this fight.
 
Stobzilla said:
I remember something similar being said about Lesnar two years ago.

I see complacency written all over Jones. He'll slip after a defence or two.
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A lot of people hyped Lesnar, but anyone with any MMA sense knew he was a one trick pony and that he would get exposed standing. I doubt Lesnar would beat Carwin in a rematch tbh.
 
Ekeke said:
I didnt catch it at the time, I'm just loading the fight to watch again but apparently Shogun is tapping at the end of the fight, to strikes. A lot of fighters refuse to tap to strikes and Shogun is one tough sob, but if this is the case then I think that pretty much shows how outclassed he was in this fight.
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I think, he mentally broke. You see him after he takes the big knee to the side get up and move off where he settles against the fence. He takes that body shot and he just realizes he has nothing for Jones. Then he takes the knee and its all over.

It was a demolition, worse than say Gonzaga vs Crocop. That was a shocking win for Crocop but those kind of wins are not domination. What Jones did was a systematic destruction. He dominated him in every facet and looked like he was feckin' toying with Shogun at the end of the first round.
 
I remember seeing Jon Jones for the first time where he pretty much made Bonnar look like Shogun today. I told my dad that day that this kid was going to be a star.

Unbelievable, you can make all the excuses you want about Shogun being rusty, but Jones absolutely demolished Shogun today, Shogun had absolutely nothing for him. Very very excited to see what the future holds for him, he could be our generations equivalent of Mohammad Ali
 
Oh yeah, I see it. Right hand taps as the fight is called. Shogun's cardio isnt there, he takes some good punishment in the first round but all that heavy breathing in his corner is not just from the damage. But it just doesnt look at though it would have made any difference if Shogun was the sharpest he'd ever been.
 
Ekeke said:
Oh yeah, I see it. Right hand taps as the fight is called. Shogun's cardio isnt there, he takes some good punishment in the first round but all that heavy breathing in his corner is not just from the damage. But it just doesnt look at though it would have made any difference if Shogun was the sharpest he'd ever been.
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Jones did a very good job on the ground stifling Shogun's breathing, his hand was always around the mouth, he was constantly blocking off shoguns neck and Shogun also expended a huge amount of energy trying to get Jones in the leg locks.

I agree with you, even if Shogun was fit, Jones would have won, even before this fight my friends and I were trying to picture or figure out how Jones could lose, but we just couldn't see it.
 
Wow, just wow. Did this guy ever live up to the hype and then some. I've never seen a champion dismantled so systematically.

Erics_Collar said:
Wow, look at the replay of the knock out. When the ref stepped in to seperate them, Shogun was tapping to the strikes :eek:
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Yeah I noticed that too. Unheard of.

Scary thing is he's only been training for something like 3/4 years. How much better can he get!! :eek:
 
Randall Flagg said:
Predictions
Brendan Schaub vs. Mirko Filipović
Nate Marquardt vs. Dan Miller
Jim Miller vs. Kamal Shalorus
Urijah Faber vs. Eddie Wineland
Maurício Rua (c) vs. Jon Jones
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Huzzah I got all my predictions correct.

Jones was amazing. Right now I just dont see anyone who can step up to him.

But yes it is early days
 
Shogun should drop to mw. I can't see him beating Jones. Shogun is one of the best ever and will beat most of the lhw's most of the time.

However, he is still small enough in that division. Dropping down and challenging the likes of Silva would be a better option in my opinion.
 
Name Changed said:
Shogun should drop to mw. I can't see him beating Jones. Shogun is one of the best ever and will beat most of the lhw's most of the time.

However, he is still small enough in that division. Dropping down and challenging the likes of Silva would be a better option in my opinion.
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This is true of pretty much all the Pride guys. They were all fighting up a weight class basically.

Fedor, Hendo, Shogun, Wandy etc.

I find it amusing that on all the big MMA forums, people are bitching about how much bigger Jones was, how he must have been 220-225 pounds at fight time. The same people who took a huge shit on Fedor after he fought Big Foot giving up almost 70 pounds.
 
Jones is a complete freak of an athlete all things considered.

The main thing I take from watching him is that (besides GSP) I can't think of a more complete mixed martial artist.

I mean you look at some guys and you can normally tell straight away what their base style is. You don't get that with Jones. He just looks outstanding at everything and blends it all together so seamlessly.

The card for this weekends UFN looks really good too. I have a feeling this will be a better show than last week UFC.

Both Hardy/Johnson and Jung/Garcia should be stand up wars and I'm interested to see Davis take a step up in class against lil *** (why is N.o.g blocked? Weirdos)
 
Not quite the slugfest of the first fight, but Jung looked a lot better technically there. Very nice transitions on the ground and a brutal submission
 
I'd be really dissappointed if Davis was somehow unable to win this one. Hardy and Rumble, I'd like to see Hardy get his first win in three but if he leaves a gap like against Condit, Rumble has the power to turn his lights out again.

Also Amir Sadollah over DaMarcus Johnson as he's yet to impress me. Even lost to Wilks
 
I expect Davis to take n o g down. Davis standup isn't up to par with n o g imo and he'll take him down and gnp his ass.

I like sadollah as he's half persian half Irish. His standup is good but he has no fecking power so cant see him ko-ing anybody. If he wins then it'll be UD.

Now watch davis and sadollah both get KO's lol.
 
Last time we saw Davis' standup it was still fairly horrible, so yeah he needs to and will
take it to the floor.

Sadollah is more of a technical striker than a knockout artist, for sure. But I think he can win the decision over Johnson
 
Although having said that about Davis, Little ***'s striking hasnt been all that impressive since his fight with Luiz Cane so an improved Davis might be able to stand with him
 
Well you know what, it was said that Hardy might be cut from the ufc if he lost this, his third in a row.

Given how little he had to offer tonight, how pitiful his takedown defence was and how useless he was getting up from the bottom I dont think anyone can have any complaints if he is cut.

Would be the 2nd UFC fighter to go from a main event title fight to getting cut after Jardine
 
Davis is having trouble and getting caught in the striking. I doubt he can take too many more, so he needs to start completing his takedowns...
 
Davis has some of the most pitiful striking I've ever seen. I don't know what to call those teeps. He throws his jabs like 5 feet away, how can you land a follow up strike when you're throwing your jab out of range? His kicking technique is just rushed and reckless, no defence when he strikes. He just threw his legs up to increase the distance but that just left him open more often than not

The fact he's a dominant wrestler is what saves him. Disgraceful standup :rolleyes:
 
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