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The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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You’ve just made up a story to insinuate ETH is behind a leak without any basis or fact except for some idea which you’ve thought of.
If we win the FA cup and he still gets sacked. I’m ready for people like Gary Neville to pipe up and say he’s just won a cup against city. He deserved another season etc.
I am simply asking whose benefiting from this story being leaked. It's not the club or ineos. There's also a story doing the rounds of how ETH refused talks with Bayern to focus on United. We might as well suggest his name for sainthood at this point
Also how on earth did di marzio knew about it ahead of the guys from the athletic + British media whose got feet on the ground?
Not sure how any of this benefits ETH at all, leaking where he thinks he is carrying on makes him look foolish and right before a final he is trying to win. There’s been lots of reports in the media which are then contradicted in a different story the next minute. Journalists are in overdrive trying to sell clicks. I’ll wait to see what INEOS do in the coming week.
There are plenty to look at before considering Ten Hag.
What is clear (Athletic have eluded to this) is the sources are agents of managers who've held talks. They are the ones who benefit most from the leak. Steinberg is close to Poch, Falk is close to Tuchel and they're out there making the most noise. Go figure.
If he wins back to back trophies for United for the first time in over 10 years getting sacked might feel a bit harsh to him.
I think if it is in fact them, then they have leaked it to throw ETH's hat in the ring with the Bayern, Chelsea, Milan and Juve jobs still available. That's four of the top 10 clubs in the world. It would be stupid for them to not go for it.
I think it's fair too as everyone has to look out for themselves first. It's a cut throat business and sacking/selling managers/players is a ruthless exercise. As much as it sucks for casting a shadow over our cup final.
PS: My money is still on this Guardian journalist taking a calculated risk by being certain about this sacking when every report before it mentioned "Should INEOS decide to..."
i heard he’s being fired for gross misconduct. he’s been stealing blades of grass from old trafford to make a wig with.
Juventus job is going to Motta and the Bayern job is going to Kompany.
If you'd have announced last weekend he was leaving after the cup final, would it have had a negative impact on your preparation? I'm not convinced.
As for it being classless to wait until after the cup final to announce the decision, that's only true if Ten Hag hasn't already been told.
As for it being classless to wait until after the cup final to announce the decision, that's only true if Ten Hag hasn't already been told.
I think he's trying to overcompensate for his mistakes in the past of haranguing managers and coaching staff out of the club instead of the players who are toxic.
Someone with a twister account need to DM message Jacob and ask him if the leak was coming from a certain individual with the Simpsons tattoo on their right arm.
And it wouldn't be an unreasonable school of thought. Just like sacking him isn't necessarily unreasonable.
I don't see a fault in either logic, it's just down to how you view the situation and how you think the best way forward is.
Some think a complete reset with a new style works best. Others think this manager has shown fight and survival mentality to scrape major silverware when he's at his absolute worst, so they wonder how he would be at his best.
Ok, let's just see if he's sacked tonight after the final.
That just sounds like bollocks, why does everyone believe everything they read on this forum. Grass for hair indeed, it’s green for feck sake, it would look ridiculous and obviously with the amount of injuries we’ve had on that pitch this season his head would be constantly unavailable.
None of them have been confirmed yet, right? And there were reports only last week that ETH is in consideration for the Bayern job.
It's all just speculation, though. I guess we'll never find out how this came out. Too many people involved who could've leaked this. Only group who I don't think get any benefit from this is the club. Rest you can make a case for anybody.
Hell will freeze before a manager takes a legacy top club like Manchester United to 8th place and he survives in his job. That's something ETH, INEOS and the club probably acknowledge. To make matters worse ETH's contract situation further complicate stuff. That's because no serious club would want to start a project with a manager whose got 1 year left in his contract. Thus they could either give him a contract extension or let him go.
Now back to ETH. The situation might not look that bad from a United fan perspective (ie the most patient fans in the world) but is certainly look bad for ETH. Tanking that way with a legacy club is bad, very bad, from a reputation POV. There's also an FA Cup final game that feels more like an execution (hanged drawn and quartered style) then a derby. Now let's say we get beaten 4-0. ETH would be the manager who tanked United to 8th place and who humiliated the club in an FA cup final against its rivals. He ran his side to the ground (record level of injury), he had huge issues tackling huge egos and he persuaded the club to spend silly on Eredivisie players. Who on earth would want to touch that?
But what if there's a shift in blame? What if something huge happens that distracts everyone from ETH's performance and to the club's incompetence? That's a juicy steak the media would bite. And if the club mismanaged this then surely they are mismanaging the rest. Thus everything that happened this season can't be attributed not to the manager but to the manager.
United fans are used to SAF ie 1 manager who lasted more then 2 decades and genuinely loved the club. Most managers aren't like that. They live and die on reputation and would do anything to shift the blame elsewhere. I am not suggesting that the club is well managed. However asked yourself this simple question. What happened to Mou, LVG and Ole after they left the club? Was anyone of them successful afterwards? So maybe a teeny weeny bit of blame was theirs as well.
Why tonight?
The United Stand had a shit reputation. Those who followed them (I did) know of how many times Goldbridge said that a deal was 95% done only to turn out that it wasn't the case. Suddenly ETH appears and he starts becoming accurate on transfers. Then he gets an interview with Hojlund who also represented by SEG who is the same agency of ETH. Can you blame him for being so pro ETH?
Because it's after the final?
I fully agree. Small correction though. The first leaking the information was Di Marzio whose based in Italy and has little connections to the EPL. He was ahead to everyone else.
Hasnt Kompany been confirmed?
So is tomorrow.
I certainly didn't read it as something that has to happen right after the final and don't expect it either.
So is next week and next year. You get where I'm going now? This is exactly what I mean when I say vague reporting.
Look, no problems with journalists. Just have a problem with irresponsible journalism of which there are plenty of examples.
Can't help feel the lack of official announcement regarding EtH is but a cheap ruse from the Qataris, and the proof we need they are preparing a massive bid to blow Ratcliffe's bid out of the water once and for all.
Very good point. He has at least got us 1 trophy and into 2 Fa cup finals. Just the league where we’re really bad.
So if the journalist was told that ETH is getting sacked but wasn't told exactly on what day, it's vague or irresponsible?
It would have thought it to be highly unusual if he DID know exactly when.
explain this then-
A lot of us agree 8th place isn’t acceptable at all and ETH can’t have anyone else to blame if sacked. Even with the injuries, we should have performed much better. That blame isn’t likely to shift even if something is leaked or not. The 8th place isn’t going to change. Sure if he wins today then 2 trophies in 2 years is good but doesn’t excuse the league form. I just disagree with your thoughts that ETH has something to gain from the leaks and is possibly involved.
What us fans think is irrelevant. What is relevant is what other club owners think as they are the ones who would decide whether to hire ETH or not + how much power they want to give him. It's common for managers to try and shift the blame as far away from them as possible. Our previous mismanagement makes us easy targets.
Well if he doesn't know when he'll be sacked, then he's shooting in the dark like the rest of us this forum. Except we don't write glitzy headlines for the Guardian.
It's not really groundbreaking news, it's just another opinion piece.
If the journo's 100% know, they will try and print the story post-game so they can spend the whole press conference asking questions to him.
It's not an opinion piece. You're simply being obtuse. Obviously the journalist has been told by a reliable source that the decision to sack Ten Hag has been made, and "after the FA cup" will most likely mean within the following few days. They obviously don't need to explicitly give a date and time.
No one else is saying ETH is definitely getting sacked. He is. Is he guessing? Maybe, but it's not an opinion piece at all. Either he's got a source - or he is lying and giving information he does not have.
The actual timing of the sacking is irelevant. I doubt if even the club knows exactly when it will be done.
If it is true ETH will be sacked regardless of what happens in the final; this is better than sacking based on what happens in a single game instead of the whole season.
They don't, but journalists who are sure of their news use the word 'immediately' or 'imminently' to give a time frame.
Ok I'll be kind. Let's just see if he's sacked in the next few days.
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