He will be sacked on Tuesday.
The Guardian - Manchester United to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup Final
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Thank feck. INEOS hopefully have been working on this for months instead of this being a last minute rushed decision.
Definitely photoshopped, this proves it for me.
Is NYSE open that day?
Sack him ,sack him now and the players are a bunch of livy livered piss merchants. But don't sack him now, think of the poor players mindsets..
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He's not leaving.
I genuinely don't know how anyone could still think this.
injuries
You seem to think that having 4 defenders with recovery pace would solve the issue, despite the fact that ETH bought a defender with no recovery pace (Martinez), continually played a defender with no recovery pace (Maguire) over a defender with recovery pace, or what's left of it, (Varane) and has full backs all who have recovery pace (Dalot, Shaw, AWB). Basically you argument, like all that defend ETH, was BS.
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Nothing that you’re saying makes sense. You’re just replying with a bunch of emotive stuff.
No, they’re aren’t better mentioning their sources. That’s not how journalism works. There isn’t a threshold that you have to meet that says “if you’re reporting something like this a day before the final, you better expose your source”
In fact, the more sensitive the matter the more need and likelihood of said sources needing anonymity and protection.and reporting the news doesn’t equate nor translate to “trying to put negativity before important final”. It’s simply reporting the news. Us having a final today means nothing. Time an a place, what? Journalists won’t stop reporting the news because the timing is inconvenient for United/United fans.
This is one of the silliest stances I’ve seen on this forum - please be at peace and have a good day.
I do enjoy reading caf posts that absolutely lay into a fellow poster, only to finish it off with "have a good day". It's like being robbed at gunpoint and being told "don't forget to smile".Nothing that you’re saying makes sense. You’re just replying with a bunch of emotive stuff.
No, they’re aren’t better mentioning their sources. That’s not how journalism works. There isn’t a threshold that you have to meet that says “if you’re reporting something like this a day before the final, you better expose your source”
and reporting the news doesn’t equate nor translate to “trying to put negativity before important final”. It’s simply reporting the news. Us having a final today means nothing. Time an a place, what? Journalists won’t stop reporting the news because the timing is inconvenient for United/United fans.
This is one of the silliest stances I’ve seen on this forum - please be at peace and have a good day.
It's a huge risk to print it just out of guesswork. If you get it right it's fine. But if you get it wrong and ETH stays, people won't forget it. It's not worth the risk.
I don't know this reporter. Unless he's known to be credible - and The Guardian itself is no rag - then I tend to believe that he does have a source.
Agreed. You don’t get this much smoke without fire.
I don’t even think it was this clear cut when LvG was sacked.
Also, keeping him now makes us look even more stupid.
To be fair, I think it had been obvious for months LVG was a dead man walking, even more so than Ten Hag, Jose was coming in was apparent, even had the Ibrahimovic talk as well that lined up Mourinho.
Nah, I said their stance on this instance is emotive and not making any sense, to me at least. They're demanding journalists expose their sources and/or don't report because the timing isn't convenient for United, and/or get banned. Football is emotional, and our sport is anchored by said emotion, so it's understandable, but come on. I don't hold any ill feelings towards them, I just think they're letting emotion speak super loud on this occasion, thus be at peace and have a good day, we have a final today, after all
I'm still not convinced that he's definitely getting sacked. I reckon he'll stay if flukes a win.
So we can write things do disrupt something. No need to say if it is true or not because there is 0 information about what source it is except usual stupidity about ”sources from the club”. You can destroy whatever you want as long it is word ”sources” behind it. Right?Nothing that you’re saying makes sense. You’re just replying with a bunch of emotive stuff.
No, they’re aren’t better mentioning their sources. That’s not how journalism works. There isn’t a threshold that you have to meet that says “if you’re reporting something like this a day before the final, you better expose your source”
and reporting the news doesn’t equate nor translate to “trying to put negativity before important final”. It’s simply reporting the news. Us having a final today means nothing. Time an a place, what? Journalists won’t stop reporting the news because the timing is inconvenient for United/United fans.
This is one of the silliest stances I’ve seen on this forum - please be at peace and have a good day.
They'll forget it in two seconds flat and believe the new bollocks they read the day after. Every transfer window newspapers and twittershiters say we're buying a hundred players, and even though 97 of them will be proved comprehensively wrong people still lap up the next lot just the same.
I don't think there's a risk at all. It'll soon be forgotten about. Journalists get things wrong all the time.
If he has a source that definitely knows he's going then who would it be? It wouldn't have been INEOS, which has been confirmed by people like Mitten. That just leaves EtH's people, which means he's already been told or they've come to a mutual agreement. Seems a bit weird for him to leak it himself, or agree to his reps leaking it. So maybe they've done him dirty?
The only other scenario that makes sense is that Steinberg knows we've spoken to other managers and maybe they've said he's leaving. That's just a fact + a source's opinion though, which he's printed as a fact. Other reporters had already mentioned we'd met with Tuchel's people and others (apparently Southgate had been sounded out) which even if not true, it means this wasn't really new news to us as fans.
For what it's worth, Steinberg is considered tier 3 (unreliable) for news in general and tier 2 (meh) for Chelsea news, which probably means he's heard this from a source linked to Chelsea.
Now, a lot of what I've written is just speculation based on deductions, but it feels like that's probably what Steinberg has done as well based on the available information.
With some doubt, I still believe moving on from ETH is necessary, but I do regret that this what we’re focusing on today and not the FA Cup final.
I think the crux of our disconnect is that you think reporting the news equates and/or translates to writing to disrupt and destroy, when it's simply reporting the news.
United has had plenty of time and chance to dismiss said reports, the club has seemingly chosen not to do so. Moreover, you're given a relatively easy to understand expected timeline. If in the following days/couple weeks after the FA Cup final Ten Hag hasn't been dismissed you can write-off that report/journalist as a hack. That's the risk and chance journalists take when reporting - to have their credibility and potentially career in shambles, moving forward.
There's a huge difference between transfer speculation and saying that a manager - and United's manager of all clubs - is getting the sack.
Why would a billion pound company let a one off cup match decide the fate of their billion pound investment? How thick do you genuinely think they are?
He should have been sacked ages ago so I'm not really sure how think they are.
I think that your premise is wrong, you seem to think that the goal is to disrupt United or has anything to do with damaging the club when it's simply about reporting a piece of information that is going to generate revenue for the paper/reporter. United is a big name that generates views and the views generate revenue.
It would be super awkward if we beat City 4-0 then they sacked him anyway. Even more if, as you'd expect, they also announce Pochel on Monday. Ratcliffe is showing directness and ruthlessness which is what you would expect.
Not to football journalists. The key is they have copy to fill, they have to print something for people to read every deadline, that's how they make their money. They're not going to tell their editor 'nothing new today, I don't think you need my column' are they? They make stuff up for people to read that day and it's forgotten the day after.
Not even close
A Chelsea writer doesn't need United news.
Frankly, I think you are wrong about journalists. Sure, some of hacks, but many won't invent shit - and big shit - just because they have to provide something. Even on a slow news day, There are other things to write beside lies.
Their won’t be a better list of available managers than what their is right now. So if they stick with him and sack him through the season or end of next season then we’ll have to pay a lot of compensation for a manager.
Yep. If a journalist has a story then they pretty much have a duty to report it. Clubs benefit immensely from journalism on a daily basis - why should the tap suddenly be turned off when it's something that could be deemed negative? It's far from ideal, and I'm not happy that it was leaked, but it is what it is.
Blaming The Guardian for reporting the information they were given is incredibly ignorant. Why would they give a shit we had a final the next day?
Sod the press and Goldbcidge at united stand and all the other spreaders of rumours. Whether true or not the day before a cup final is just completely disruptive.
They could care if they believe that they need the source for future information. But since this reporter isn't a beat reporter for United, he likely doesn't care, he has no particular relationship to protect. Reporters don't actually report everything and some of their reports aren't necessarily recent news.
I expect ten hag to be sacked but then to those saying someone wouldn’t print it if it wasn’t true - look at the sun running with the Qatar bid story last summer. It will all be forgotten about in no time
Well, the source in question obviously didn’t care about the timing.
Yeah because the source isn't necessarily linked to United. As an example this reporter is supposed to work on Chelsea, the source could be any of the agents of managers that are in contact with both Chelsea and United.
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