The F1 Thread 2014 Season

Count Orduck said:
So Kobayashi escapes punishment for being a complete fecking moron and just steaming into everyone at the first corner. Can't see the difference between what he did and what Grosjean did (and earnt a race ban for) to be honest. But maybe in Grosjean's case it was because that was far from his first offence.
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Was grosjean's offence caused by technical failure too? Kamui's car rear brakes just didn't work.
 
Good race, glad that Rosberg won.

Unlucky today that reliability took out Lewis and Vettel who are the two drivers you could bet on putting up a fight and overtaking/attempting.
 
Apparently it's confirmed - he's been disqualified. Hard luck if so; it wasn't his fault, poor guy.
 
Count Orduck said:
Apparently it's confirmed - he's been disqualified. Hard luck if so; it wasn't his fault, poor guy.
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It's just another engine mapping style thing that Red Bull renowned for doing it for. It would certainly call their pace into question as it would suggest that their fuel mix for the race was set higher than others. Also, Vettel's car didn't have that change in Parc Ferme the night before, which could indicate they're more a 6-10 placed car than a second on outright pace.

Williams must have been ruing their luck this weekend, they could have been fighting at the front had it not been for a poor qualifying session yesterday.
 
Red Bull saying they'll appeal due to the flow sensor being inconsistent all weekend. Can't imagine the stewards would have failed to take that into account but there you go.
 
Yes, well done to the FIA. That means Button got on the podium as well as Bottas and Hulkenberg moving up in their positions. I wonder if that is why the Red Bull was performing at such a level because their pace certainly came out of nowhere. Haven't seen the race, going to catch the highlights when it goes on the BBC iplayer later on.
 
So their original fuel flow sensor they ran in practice was giving incorrect readings, so they switched it out for a different one with the FIA's knowledge and it gave correct readings, then suddenly for the race they just decided to put the old one back in without the FIA's instruction.

It sounds dodgy and its Red Bull the king of the rule benders, off with their heads.
 
Just watching the highlights. Good start to the season for McLaren.
 
If I had to guess, I'd say there was nothing wrong with the first one, but they made it look like it was giving faulty readings so that when they then cheated in the race they could say "well look, the sensor was giving faulty readings so it's just fecked up again" and pretend to be all innocent. Horner's statement of being shocked and stunned by the decision is hilarious. Red Bull would try anything if they thought they could get away with it.
 
Gutted for Ricciardo, elated for Magnussen and Button; really hoping Mclaren have a cracking season now. Bottas had an incredible drive too, driver of the race for me and deserved a higher podium.
 
Count Orduck said:
If I had to guess, I'd say there was nothing wrong with the first one, but they made it look like it was giving faulty readings so that when they then cheated in the race they could say "well look, the sensor was giving faulty readings so it's just fecked up again" and pretend to be all innocent. Horner's statement of being shocked and stunned by the decision is hilarious. Red Bull would try anything if they thought they could get away with it.
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Funniest thing is that he said that the FIA had informed them they were going above the limit but that they at Red Bull "disagreed with that opinion". Ingenious idea, instead of making your car work with the tests that the FIA provide, make up your own and say you comply with them!
 
That race was boring I thought. Mercs are too far ahead at the moment.

The intriguing part was obviously seeing all the new cars, regs, drivers etc. in action but the race itself was completely forgettable. I fell asleep around the 40th lap.
 
Has anyone else noticed a correlation between Lewis Hamilton and United's fortunes during race weekends?

I'm a bit of a Lewis supporter so I often look to either him or United to cheer me up when the other performs poorly. I'm sure it never happens though. When one is shit, so is the other. And when one does well, so does the other.

The second Hamilton retired, I knew that Liverpool would win.
 
Dante said:
Has anyone else noticed a correlation between Lewis Hamilton and United's fortunes during race weekends?

I'm a bit of a Lewis supporter so I often look to either him or United to cheer me up when the other performs poorly. I'm sure it never happens though. When one is shit, so is the other. And when one does well, so does the other.

The second Hamilton retired, I knew that Liverpool would win.
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:lol: interesting.
 
They do sound shit. Engine noise is a huge part of what makes attending a race special, but even on the TV they sound really naff.

If I wanted to hear tyre squeal I'd go and watch the Prius Cup.
 
Smaller engines, less cylinders, turbo power and a 3,000rpm reduction in rev limit was always going to make them quite(r).

I really don't like it, but if the racing is improved I'll probably stop moaning about it at some point.

Yesterday's race didn't help on that front.
 
I'm not sure why overtaking was so difficult, Button complained of getting a lot of understeer whilst behind another car but given the overall downforce levels have been cut I'm not quite sure why. I suppose, given that the primary reducer was the banning of the blown diffusers, they're relying a lot more on having a clean airstream than they were. Hopefully it's not a trend, they have so much power now in addition to DRS you'd think getting past wouldn't be problematic.
 
Ubik said:
I'm not sure why overtaking was so difficult,
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Bottas didn't really have any issues overtaking.

Ubik said:
Button complained of getting a lot of understeer whilst behind another car but given the overall downforce levels have been cut I'm not quite sure why.
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He's always bloody complaining, unless he's driving on rails then he always moans.

Overtaking was fine yesterday for Melbourne, it's a difficult track to overtake on with very limited spots (only really turn 1 and 3). What didn't help was that qualifying mixed the pack up slightly. I think if we had a more reflective grid of speed, then we might have seen some close racing between the top 5 yesterday.
 
It was the same with Magnussen though, he could cruise up quite comfortably to Ricciardo but once within DRS range there was a brick wall in front of him. Might just be the McLaren I suppose, but Alonso couldn't get past a Toro Rosso either. The loss of the EBDs will hurt them in this respect I think.
 
Ubik said:
It was the same with Magnussen though, he could cruise up quite comfortably to Ricciardo but once within DRS range there was a brick wall in front of him. Might just be the McLaren I suppose
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Ricciardo was faster than Magnussen through all the high speed corners, and Melbourne has a few, but the straights aren't long enough for Magnussen to capitalise on his better straight line speed. EBD's are only useful in the corners.

Red Bull had the best solution, however they had great aero which worked around it. Losing the EBD means they don't get as much rear downforce, but their car still has a good aero package, so it'll still have more performance than McLaren in that area.

Let it be said though, these cars are going to be much quicker than last years cars. You'll see more overtaking at the next track, simply due to the nature of the circuit.
 
I really couldn't give a feck how the engine sounds. I find all the moaning about it quite farcical.
 
The engine noise doesn't bother me too much either, if the racing is good I can live with it. It's dissapointing but not sport killing like its being made out to be. I think the fact a lot of this engine hybrid tech will trickle down into roadcars helps too, the manufacturers are spending the money and ultimately the customer will benefit long term, F1 should be all about that when possible.
 
Well that's either going to be artificial amplification, which is just stupid, or making some kind of fundamental change to the engines, which would cost the engine developers tens of millions.

In other words, it's not going to happen.
 
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