The Double Draft

Theon said:
There are still two rounds to go so plenty of time for them to catch up - it goes without saying that getting Pele means nothing if he ends up getting Tevez-bola'd.

And of course they could end up getting Maradona which would even the stakes.

But yeah, the main thing here is going to be Tevez-bola. It'll ruin a few teams no doubt and we could end up with Beckenbauer etc getting banned.
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Indeed.

You could say that Henry shouldn't have been in that pool, ideally, but what kind of impact it will actually have is impossible to say:

Skizzo/Pat get Maradona and keep all their DoF players post T-bola.

Pelé, Messi and Beckenbauer all T-bola'd - and presto, tables turned.

No need to address the Henry thing for me - it creates all kinds of problems too (see above).
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I actually feel bad for giving Skizzo/Pat, Henry. Good player he may be, certainly far below the class of Pele, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Messi and CR and rest.

Still have half a mind to replace and balance them in.
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Thanks mate but Sjor nailed it for me:

Šjor Bepo said:
the whole point of the draft is that someone gets screwed!
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And when all said and done, Henry is still an asset in pretty much any company.

Shall pick shortly BTW.
 
One player from the midfield pool would be perfect
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Cal? said:
Defenders possibly, but I'm not sure the keepers in the late 90s/early 00s are better than the ones nowadays.
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Yeah I'd agree there. Don't want to resurrect the Ronaldo debate, but there were was certainly a flourishing of top central defenders in the late 1990s which makes the current generation look underwhelming (although I think the top boys today are generally under-rated). Basically, different eras have different strengths. That one was full of box-to-box machines, whereas this one has slicker and more intricate give-and-go ball retainers. That one had better no 10s and stronger more conventional centre-forwards, this one has better wide attackers. Etcetera.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Indeed.

You could say that Henry shouldn't have been in that pool, ideally, but what kind of impact it will actually have is impossible to say:

Skizzo/Pat get Maradona and keep all their DoF players post T-bola.

Pelé, Messi and Beckenbauer all T-bola'd - and presto, tables turned.

No need to address the Henry thing for me - it creates all kinds of problems too (see above).
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Well having in mind T-bola those who will lose one of the greats will be even more screwed than those who will keep all. So yeah neither of the big names - Baresi/Pele/Beckenbauer/Messi/Cruyff/Maradona and so are safe.

Besides I think Edgar has made a very good and balanced format as all team would have holes in the line up with a youth player and a legacy one in the opening game and then the possibility of losing the best players due to injury in the next round.

All in all there's always possibility someone to have an edge over another in the picking order especially when there's randomizer in it.

At the end Henry is still a star player and I'd say if Skizzo/Pat manage to keep him after T-bola, they will have an edge over those who lose their forwards.
 
Gio said:
there were was certainly a flourishing of top central defenders in the late 1990s which makes the current generation look underwhelming (although I think the top boys today are generally under-rated)
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That is true, of course, but I believe that the change in the referee's approach also massively influenced today's situation. Attackers (especially top players) are very protected, you'll think twice before jumping into tackle - while the refereeing manner in the 90's definitely favored defensive side of the game more
 
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Mazhar13 - 1. M Le Tissier 2. Gento 3. Sammer 4. Pirri 5. Cristiano 6. Vierchowod
Joga bonito - 1. Carrick 2. Breitner 3. Facchetti 4. Burgnich 5. Kalle Rummenigge 6. Rivelino
Cal? - 1. M Scholl 2. Desailly 3. N Santos 4. Cannavaro 5. Cruyff 6. Neymar
harms - 1. Éder Assis 2. Luis Suárez Miramontes 3. Cafu 4. J. Masopust 5. Messi 6. Chumpitaz
RedTiger/Marty - 1. A di Livio 2. K-H. Schnellinger 3. Lahm 4. F. Hierro 5. van Basten 6. W. Overath
Tuppet - 1. B Schneider 2. Gullit 3. Passarella 4. D. Santos 5. Romario 6. H. Stoichkov
P-Nut - 1. Ince 2. Batistuta 3. Baresi 4. Alaba 5. Ronaldo (fenomeno) 6. Gentile
Chesterlestreet - 1. T. Motta 2. L. Thuram 3. Moore 4. J. Santamaría 5. R. Baggio 6. D. De Gea
DavidG - 1. Petit. 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Maldini 4. Duncan Edwards 5. Gerd Muller 6. Costacurta
Sjor - 1. Camoranesi 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Krol 4. Ferdinand 5. Di Stefano 6. Courtois
Invictus - 1. O Hargreaves 2. Redondo 3. Nesta 4. Brehme 5. Eusebio 6. Jairzinho
Enigma - 1. Ze Roberto 2. Rivaldo 3. Figueroa 4. Bergomi 5. Pele 6. Davids
Raees - 1. D Baggio 2. Figo 3. Vogts 4. Charles 5. Best 6. J. Nasazzi
Skizzo/Pat - 1. Solskjaer 2. Van Hanegem 3. Kohler 4. Zanetti 5. Henry 6. Verratti
ctp - 1. Ginola 2. Netzer 3. Beckenbauer 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Garrincha
Downcast - 1. Wes Brown 2. Robben 3. Scirea 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Puskas

@ctp
 
harms said:
That is true, of course, but I believe that the change in the referee's approach also massively influenced today's situation. Attackers (especially top players) are very protected, you'll think twice before jumping into tackle - while the refereeing manner in the 90's definitely favored defensive side of the game more
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Aye, one reason why I think some of today's defensive best are a little under appreciated. And the 1980s was much more rugged again.
 
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Mazhar13 - 1. M Le Tissier 2. Gento 3. Sammer 4. Pirri 5. Cristiano 6. Vierchowod
Joga bonito - 1. Carrick 2. Breitner 3. Facchetti 4. Burgnich 5. Kalle Rummenigge 6. Rivelino
Cal? - 1. M Scholl 2. Desailly 3. N Santos 4. Cannavaro 5. Cruyff 6. Neymar
harms - 1. Éder Assis 2. Luis Suárez Miramontes 3. Cafu 4. J. Masopust 5. Messi 6. Chumpitaz
RedTiger/Marty - 1. A di Livio 2. K-H. Schnellinger 3. Lahm 4. F. Hierro 5. van Basten 6. W. Overath
Tuppet - 1. B Schneider 2. Gullit 3. Passarella 4. D. Santos 5. Romario 6. H. Stoichkov
P-Nut - 1. Ince 2. Batistuta 3. Baresi 4. Alaba 5. Ronaldo (fenomeno) 6. Gentile
Chesterlestreet - 1. T. Motta 2. L. Thuram 3. Moore 4. J. Santamaría 5. R. Baggio 6. D. De Gea
DavidG - 1. Petit. 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Maldini 4. Duncan Edwards 5. Gerd Muller 6. Costacurta
Sjor - 1. Camoranesi 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Krol 4. Ferdinand 5. Di Stefano 6. Courtois
Invictus - 1. O Hargreaves 2. Redondo 3. Nesta 4. Brehme 5. Eusebio 6. Jairzinho
Enigma - 1. Ze Roberto 2. Rivaldo 3. Figueroa 4. Bergomi 5. Pele 6. Davids
Raees - 1. D Baggio 2. Figo 3. Vogts 4. Charles 5. Best 6. J. Nasazzi
Skizzo/Pat - 1. Solskjaer 2. Van Hanegem 3. Kohler 4. Zanetti 5. Henry 6. Verratti
ctp - 1. Ginola 2. Netzer 3. Beckenbauer 4. Carlos Alberto 5. Garrincha 6. Kocsis
Downcast - 1. Wes Brown 2. Robben 3. Scirea 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Puskas 6. Tardelli
 
harms said:
That is true, of course, but I believe that the change in the referee's approach also massively influenced today's situation. Attackers (especially top players) are very protected, you'll think twice before jumping into tackle - while the refereeing manner in the 90's definitely favored defensive side of the game more
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That + the back pass rule from the early 90's and then extended in the late 90's and the offside rule changes also contributed to different approach. And of course change of formations - more importance on full backs in the attacking phase and so forth.

Probably in todays game everything is scrutinized and no error can be hidden which affects the general perception, but having seen both era's the current crop is pretty underwhelming.
 
I will stay here until 00.30 BST and will come back to submit my pick at 07.30 BST
 
ctp said:
Either that or he's busy looking for pictures of the players and thinking up alliterations. :wenger:
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Last time I just got " David g gets Gerd muller " even though he was my dofi pick
 
Ahhhh 12/16 of these players are going to make this difficult for me
 
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