The Double Draft

P-Nut0712 said:
Anyone care to explain?
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EAP has just posted a picture meaning tomorrow we will know the identity of the 2 suspended players per team.

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Reinforcements:

Pool: Losing Teams

RF1 - Every team will suffer 2 players (picked at random) being suspended/injured from previous round's starting 11 before every round. Injured players will be unavailable for that round and will be back for subsequent rounds. Do note that they can get injured again in subsequent rounds again as it's all randomized.
RF2 - Reinforcements will be in snake format, order reversed.
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Ah right I got confused because of your previous post I thought it was something different.
 
New Reinforcement Auction rules
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
RF2 - Reinforcements will be in snake format, order reversed.
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I've decided to amend RF2 to auction mode to keep in line with the draft theme. RF2 will now read as:

RF 2.0 - Reinforcements will be in open auction format.
RF 2.1 - $70m budget with minimum 3 players to be picked. Clean Slate. Money left (if any) from previous rounds will not be added to this.
RF 2.2 - Each manager can nominate only 5 players or less for this round. Player pool will be eliminated teams for R1.
RF 2.3 - Players born before 01-Jan-1945 will have minimum starting bid of $20m. After that date it'll be $10m minimum.
RF 2.4 - GoalKeeper's start off minimum bid of $20m.
RF 2.5 - 12 hrs without up-bid to be successful.
RF 2.6 - $2m minimum up-bid for first 8 hours. $5m minimum up-bid for last 4 hours.​

Auction will start at 12:00 noon BST Tuesday 02-Aug-2016

This is much simpler with less players to manage. So please do not exceed your budget at any time.

Excess = Successful purchases + in progress bids + minimum needed to buy 3 players > $70m

Considering the relative ease to manage budget, the penalties for excess will be strictly enforced this round. You will lose a DoF player or highest bid successful player for this round.
 
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R1 Results:

Completed (Winners in Blue)

Enigma vs mazhar
DavidG vs Skizzo/Pat
ctp vs PNut
Raees vs Sjor
Tuppet vs Downcast
Chester vs Redtiger/Marty

In Progress:

Harms vs Cal?
Joga vs Invictus

Player Pool for Reinforcements (as of now):

Mazhar13 - 1. M Le Tissier 2. Gento 3. Sammer 4. Pirri 5. Cristiano 6. Vierchowod 7. Pogba 8. Neuer (20m) 9. Shevchenko (32m) 10. Zambrotta (32m) 11. Lato (10m) 12. Hamrin (22m) 13. Cerezo (20m) 14. J.A. Camacho (30m) 15. V. Andrade (22m) 16. Rosato (22m)

RedTiger/Marty - 1. A di Livio 2. K-H. Schnellinger 3. Lahm 4. F. Hierro 5. van Basten 6. W. Overath 7. Xavi 8. Banks(22 m) 9. Varane(22m) 10. Effenberg (20m) 11. Del Piero (42m) 12. Kaka (20m) 13. Barnes (10m) 14. Stojkovic (10m) 15. A. Hansen (14m) 16. Rensenbrink (10m) 17. Deschamps (32m)

Tuppet - 1. B Schneider 2. Passarella 3. D. Santos 4. Romario 5. H. Stoichkov 6. M Laudrup 7. Robson 8. Ter Stegen (37m) 9. Marzolini (27m) 10. Souness (30m) 11. Yashin (31m) 12. Ferrara (47m) 13. Matthews (20m) 14. Hazard (10m)

DavidG - 1. Petit. 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Maldini 4. Gerd Muller 5. Costacurta 6. Didi 7. Tresor 8. Moreno (30m) 9. Nedved (85m) 10.Buffon (28m) 11. Pedernera (24m) 12. Bellerin (10m) 13. Stiles (20m) 14. Marcelo (10m)

Sjor - 1. Camoranesi 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Ferdinand 4. Di Stefano 5. Courtois 6. Keane 7. Blokhin 8. Elkjaer (10m) 9. Vidic (43m) 10. Luis Enrique(17m) 11. Gerets (37m) 12. T. Müller (10m) 13. Kopa (33m) 14. Amoros (50m) 15. Carvalho (10m)

ctp - 1. Ginola 2. Netzer 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Garrincha 5. Kocsis 6. Matthäus 7. S. Busquets 8. Júnior (32m) 9. Stam (50m) 10. Trapp (20m) 11. Czibor (37m) 12. Boateng (24m) 13. Blakenburg (10m) 14. F Water (20m) 15. Cantona (10m)

In Progress:

Joga bonito - 1. Carrick 2. Facchetti 3. Burgnich 4. Kalle Rummenigge 5. Rivelino 6. Zico 7. Griezmann 8. Dino Zoff (20m) 9. Bossis (37m) 10. Coluna (25m) 11. McGrath (32m) 12. Stielike (32m) 13. Sarosi (20m) 14. Van der Sar (20m) 15. Littbarski (10m) 16. Haan (14m)

Cal? - 1. M Scholl 2. Desailly 3. N Santos 4. Cannavaro 5. Cruyff 6. P R Falcao 7. D Alves 8. Zlatan (15m) 9. Kroos (55m) 10. Schmeichel (27m) 11. Mascherano (32m) 12. Giggs (17m) 13. Pirlo (12m) 14. Rossi (10m) 15. Bergkamp (10m) 16. Drogba (10m) 17. Socrates (18m)

harms - 1. Éder Assis 2. Luis Suárez Miramontes 3. Cafu 4. J. Masopust 5. Messi 6. Chumpitaz 7. Seeler 8. Kante (30m) 9. Koeman (20m) 10. Maier (20m) 11. Evra (20m) 12. Boniek (25m) 13. Dzajic (45m) 14. Perfumo (10m) 15. Zito (20m) 16. Demyanenko (10m) 17. Bonhof (10m)

Invictus - 1. O Hargreaves 2. Redondo 3. Nesta 4. Brehme 5. Jairzinho 6. Ronaldinho 7. Varela 8. Vasović (27m) 9. Nordahl (20m) 10. Zizinho (20m) 11. Kahn (25m) 12. Puyol (12m) 13. J. Andrade (20m) 14. Rivera (20m) 15. Carvajal (10m) 16. Riva (20m) 17. Zenga (20m) 18. Gordillo (10m)
 
R1 Results:

Completed (Winners in Blue)

Enigma vs mazhar
DavidG vs Skizzo/Pat
ctp vs PNut
Raees vs Sjor
Tuppet vs Downcast
Chester vs Redtiger/Marty
harms vs Cal?

In Progress:

Joga vs Invictus

Player Pool for Reinforcements (as of now):

Mazhar13 - 1. M Le Tissier 2. Gento 3. Sammer 4. Pirri 5. Cristiano 6. Vierchowod 7. Pogba 8. Neuer (20m) 9. Shevchenko (32m) 10. Zambrotta (32m) 11. Lato (10m) 12. Hamrin (22m) 13. Cerezo (20m) 14. J.A. Camacho (30m) 15. V. Andrade (22m) 16. Rosato (22m)

Cal? - 1. M Scholl 2. Desailly 3. N Santos 4. Cannavaro 5. Cruyff 6. P R Falcao 7. D Alves 8. Zlatan (15m) 9. Kroos (55m) 10. Schmeichel (27m) 11. Mascherano (32m) 12. Giggs (17m) 13. Pirlo (12m) 14. Rossi (10m) 15. Bergkamp (10m) 16. Drogba (10m) 17. Socrates (18m)

RedTiger/Marty - 1. A di Livio 2. K-H. Schnellinger 3. Lahm 4. F. Hierro 5. van Basten 6. W. Overath 7. Xavi 8. Banks(22 m) 9. Varane(22m) 10. Effenberg (20m) 11. Del Piero (42m) 12. Kaka (20m) 13. Barnes (10m) 14. Stojkovic (10m) 15. A. Hansen (14m) 16. Rensenbrink (10m) 17. Deschamps (32m)

Tuppet - 1. B Schneider 2. Passarella 3. D. Santos 4. Romario 5. H. Stoichkov 6. M Laudrup 7. Robson 8. Ter Stegen (37m) 9. Marzolini (27m) 10. Souness (30m) 11. Yashin (31m) 12. Ferrara (47m) 13. Matthews (20m) 14. Hazard (10m)

DavidG - 1. Petit. 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Maldini 4. Gerd Muller 5. Costacurta 6. Didi 7. Tresor 8. Moreno (30m) 9. Nedved (85m) 10.Buffon (28m) 11. Pedernera (24m) 12. Bellerin (10m) 13. Stiles (20m) 14. Marcelo (10m)

Sjor - 1. Camoranesi 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Ferdinand 4. Di Stefano 5. Courtois 6. Keane 7. Blokhin 8. Elkjaer (10m) 9. Vidic (43m) 10. Luis Enrique(17m) 11. Gerets (37m) 12. T. Müller (10m) 13. Kopa (33m) 14. Amoros (50m) 15. Carvalho (10m)

ctp - 1. Ginola 2. Netzer 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Garrincha 5. Kocsis 6. Matthäus 7. S. Busquets 8. Júnior (32m) 9. Stam (50m) 10. Trapp (20m) 11. Czibor (37m) 12. Boateng (24m) 13. Blakenburg (10m) 14. F Water (20m) 15. Cantona (10m)

In Progress:

Joga bonito - 1. Carrick 2. Facchetti 3. Burgnich 4. Kalle Rummenigge 5. Rivelino 6. Zico 7. Griezmann 8. Dino Zoff (20m) 9. Bossis (37m) 10. Coluna (25m) 11. McGrath (32m) 12. Stielike (32m) 13. Sarosi (20m) 14. Van der Sar (20m) 15. Littbarski (10m) 16. Haan (14m)

Invictus - 1. O Hargreaves 2. Redondo 3. Nesta 4. Brehme 5. Jairzinho 6. Ronaldinho 7. Varela 8. Vasović (27m) 9. Nordahl (20m) 10. Zizinho (20m) 11. Kahn (25m) 12. Puyol (12m) 13. J. Andrade (20m) 14. Rivera (20m) 15. Carvajal (10m) 16. Riva (20m) 17. Zenga (20m) 18. Gordillo (10m)
 
Nice double post there :lol:

@Edgar Allan Pillow what's the scenario regards youth and legacy players? They still got to play?
 
Pretty much know who I want already!
 
@Edgar Allan Pillow I'm not particularly arsed without a horse to back in this race. But should there be some form of compensation for the managers who were at the bottom of the snake in the initial drafting given the typical advantage of getting first dibs on reinforcements has been removed? At the same time, it was a tasty reward given the snake advantage in the initial drafting wasn't the same as a typical snake draft. So hard to balance it all out I sympathise.
 
Gio said:
@Edgar Allan Pillow I'm not particularly arsed without a horse to back in this race. But should there be some form of compensation for the managers who were at the bottom of the snake in the initial drafting given the typical advantage of getting first dibs on reinforcements has been removed? At the same time, it was a tasty reward given the snake advantage in the initial drafting wasn't the same as a typical snake draft. So hard to balance it all out I sympathise.
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The winning managers are 16,14,13,12,8,7,4 (and 11 if all stays put) - there were no real advantage for the top of the list managers here
 
Gio said:
@Edgar Allan Pillow I'm not particularly arsed without a horse to back in this race. But should there be some form of compensation for the managers who were at the bottom of the snake in the initial drafting given the typical advantage of getting first dibs on reinforcements has been removed? At the same time, it was a tasty reward given the snake advantage in the initial drafting wasn't the same as a typical snake draft. So hard to balance it all out I sympathise.
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Unlike a regular snake draft, the advantage is very difficult to quantify in a reality. Say a top order manager loses his Pick 2 (1st Snake pick, Joga lost Breitner, Tuppet lost Gullit) or a DoF player to T-Bola, would he still be considered to have an advantage? Or maybe lower order player got a better Legacy pick than someone above him in order. And considering the upcoming random injuries/suspensions, who knows what'll happen next?

There's just too many variables to clear cut define if there was any advantage or not. Put it down to bad luck. Reality sucks. (Through reality draft rocks!)
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I've decided to amend RF2 to auction mode to keep in line with the draft theme. RF2 will now read as:

RF 2.0 - Reinforcements will be in open auction format.
RF 2.1 - $70m budget with minimum 3 players to be picked. Clean Slate. Money left (if any) from previous rounds will not be added to this.
RF 2.2 - Each manager can nominate only 4 player or less for this round. Player pool will be eliminated teams for R1.
RF 2.3 - Players born before 01-Jan-1945 will have minimum starting bid of $20m. After that date it'll be $10m minimum.
RF 2.4 - GoalKeeper's start off minimum bid of $20m.
RF 2.5 - 12 hrs without up-bid to be successful.
RF 2.6 - $2m minimum up-bid for first 8 hours. $5m minimum up-bid for last 4 hours.​

Auction will start at 12:00 noon BST Tuesday 02-Aug-2016

This is much simpler with less players to manage. So please do not exceed your budget at any time.

Excess = Successful purchases + in progress bids + minimum needed to buy 3 players > $70m

Considering the relative ease to manage budget, the penalties for excess will be strictly enforced this round. You will lose a DoF player or highest bid successful player for this round.
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It is more sample & fun to say Excess if successful purchases + in progress bid > 70m'. No?

Is it possible to nominate a player who doesn't belong to the pool of the losing teams?
 
Downcast said:
It is more sample & fun to say Excess if successful purchases + in progress bid > 70m'. No?

Is it possible to nominate a player who doesn't belong to the pool of the losing teams?
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Let's say you have purchased 1 player for $50m and have 1 bid in progress for $15m. This gets total to $65m...within budget, but does not provide money to buy the mandatory 3rd player ($10m minimum bid). So it's a combination of all 3 factors (successful bids, in progress and affordability for 3 players minimum in total).

No, pool restricted to losing teams.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Let's say you have purchased 1 player for $50m and have 1 bid in progress for $15m. This gets total to $65m...within budget, but does not provide money to buy the mandatory 3rd player ($10m minimum bid). So it's a combination of all 3 factors (successful bids, in progress and affordability for 3 players minimum in total).

No, pool restricted to losing teams.
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I understand but - in this scenario - it is almost impossible to have an excess at the end :devil:
 
Party time! @Edgar Allan Pillow
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R1 Results:

Completed (Winners in Blue)

Enigma vs mazhar
DavidG vs Skizzo/Pat
ctp vs PNut
Raees vs Sjor
Tuppet vs Downcast
Chester vs Redtiger/Marty
harms vs Cal?
Joga vs Invictus


Player Pool for Reinforcements (as of now):


Joga bonito - 1. Carrick 2. Facchetti 3. Burgnich 4. Kalle Rummenigge 5. Rivelino 6. Zico 7. Griezmann 8. Dino Zoff (20m) 9. Bossis (37m) 10. Coluna (25m) 11. McGrath (32m) 12. Stielike (32m) 13. Sarosi (20m) 14. Van der Sar (20m) 15. Littbarski (10m) 16. Haan (14m)

Mazhar13 - 1. M Le Tissier 2. Gento 3. Sammer 4. Pirri 5. Cristiano 6. Vierchowod 7. Pogba 8. Neuer (20m) 9. Shevchenko (32m) 10. Zambrotta (32m) 11. Lato (10m) 12. Hamrin (22m) 13. Cerezo (20m) 14. J.A. Camacho (30m) 15. V. Andrade (22m) 16. Rosato (22m)

Cal? - 1. M Scholl 2. Desailly 3. N Santos 4. Cannavaro 5. Cruyff 6. P R Falcao 7. D Alves 8. Zlatan (15m) 9. Kroos (55m) 10. Schmeichel (27m) 11. Mascherano (32m) 12. Giggs (17m) 13. Pirlo (12m) 14. Rossi (10m) 15. Bergkamp (10m) 16. Drogba (10m) 17. Socrates (18m)

RedTiger/Marty - 1. A di Livio 2. K-H. Schnellinger 3. Lahm 4. F. Hierro 5. van Basten 6. W. Overath 7. Xavi 8. Banks(22 m) 9. Varane(22m) 10. Effenberg (20m) 11. Del Piero (42m) 12. Kaka (20m) 13. Barnes (10m) 14. Stojkovic (10m) 15. A. Hansen (14m) 16. Rensenbrink (10m) 17. Deschamps (32m)

Tuppet - 1. B Schneider 2. Passarella 3. D. Santos 4. Romario 5. H. Stoichkov 6. M Laudrup 7. Robson 8. Ter Stegen (37m) 9. Marzolini (27m) 10. Souness (30m) 11. Yashin (31m) 12. Ferrara (47m) 13. Matthews (20m) 14. Hazard (10m)

DavidG - 1. Petit. 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Maldini 4. Gerd Muller 5. Costacurta 6. Didi 7. Tresor 8. Moreno (30m) 9. Nedved (85m) 10.Buffon (28m) 11. Pedernera (24m) 12. Bellerin (10m) 13. Stiles (20m) 14. Marcelo (10m)

Sjor - 1. Camoranesi 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Ferdinand 4. Di Stefano 5. Courtois 6. Keane 7. Blokhin 8. Elkjaer (10m) 9. Vidic (43m) 10. Luis Enrique(17m) 11. Gerets (37m) 12. T. Müller (10m) 13. Kopa (33m) 14. Amoros (50m) 15. Carvalho (10m)

ctp - 1. Ginola 2. Netzer 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Garrincha 5. Kocsis 6. Matthäus 7. S. Busquets 8. Júnior (32m) 9. Stam (50m) 10. Trapp (20m) 11. Czibor (37m) 12. Boateng (24m) 13. Blakenburg (10m) 14. F Water (20m) 15. Cantona (10m)
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I've decided to amend RF2 to auction mode to keep in line with the draft theme. RF2 will now read as:

RF 2.0 - Reinforcements will be in open auction format.
RF 2.1 - $70m budget with minimum 3 players to be picked. Clean Slate. Money left (if any) from previous rounds will not be added to this.
RF 2.2 - Each manager can nominate only 4 player or less for this round. Player pool will be eliminated teams for R1.
RF 2.3 - Players born before 01-Jan-1945 will have minimum starting bid of $20m. After that date it'll be $10m minimum.
RF 2.4 - GoalKeeper's start off minimum bid of $20m.
RF 2.5 - 12 hrs without up-bid to be successful.
RF 2.6 - $2m minimum up-bid for first 8 hours. $5m minimum up-bid for last 4 hours.​
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4 active bids you mean?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
mmm, I'm going to make that 5...but it's 5 new players to be introduced. i.e every manager cannot introduce more than 5 players to the draft. No restrictions on active bids.
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If you want war, less restrictions, no?
And the process will take more time with restrictions on the # of introduced players.
5 active bids sounds good
 
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what happens if I nominate 5, lose them all and everyone else has finished? I won't be able to introduce more but can't meet the 3 quota

@Edgar Allan Pillow
 
P-Nut0712 said:
what happens if I nominate 5, lose them all and everyone else has finished? I won't be able to introduce more but can't meet the 3 quota

@Edgar Allan Pillow
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The pool will be 8x5 - 40 players. The minimum number of players that has to be recruited is 24 - that's including each manager. With a budget of $70 I think at least 10 or so will be left from the nominations. 40 players pool IMO is ok for a reinforcement round.
 
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