I was hoping that we understood the shit position we're in, what sort of scroungers we have on board and to work around that. 20m for McT was good enough, Sancho was wanted by Juve but they had to sell Soule first and weren't keen to spend big on him. If that's the case then we should have considered a swap with Soule. AWB seem to only want Inter. In that case a straight swap with Dumfries isn't that bad. We'll be getting rid of mediocre players on huge salaries in exchange of talented players with less salary that, if things do not work well, can be sold at a later time.
The big summer clear out & the funds raised.
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I was hoping that we understood the shit position we're in, what sort of scroungers we have on board and to work around that. 20m for McT was good enough, Sancho was wanted by Juve but they had to sell Soule first and weren't keen to spend big on him. If that's the case then we should have considered a swap with Soule. AWB seem to only want Inter. In that case a straight swap with Dumfries isn't that bad. We'll be getting rid of mediocre players on huge salaries in exchange of talented players with less salary that, if things do not work well, can be sold at a later time.
The Donny think was hilarious. We sold him for the price of an apartment. I wonder if that sale did us more harm then good TBH
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I rather sell them at a cut price than keep them for another year. This window is shit and Ineos really struggle to sell our crap
I feel the timing is terrible for INEOS right now. This is not a summer to show our strong hand. We are in an awful position. They can try but the squad is in such a desperate state right now that even if we don’t like it we have to bite the bullet this summer and sell players on abit cheap. Sell Mctominay for 20m than 25-30m, sell AWB for 10m if have to. We need to replace stale players and sign some fresh new ones and allow the squad to breathe abit to be in a healthier, stronger position come next summer.
Pellistri not being sold so far is also weird, he's like the 5th option on the right and there isn't much noise about him leaving from what I gather.
Add him to being another one Chelsea or City would get 20m for.
Add him to being another one Chelsea or City would get 20m for.
Thank Goodness, If we can't ship them this summer then on no account should we be taking up the option for any of them.
Wages mate, wages
Yep having a fire sale to get rid of the deadwood is the same thing City did when Guardiola arrived and Liverpool did when Klopp arrived. Just get rid and get what you can in transfer fee.
McT is a good example. 28 with a year left on his contract. Just take the money add in a sell on clause and use the £20mil towards a new midfielder.
Same as AWB, get rid and take the money. Start to get the squad overhall done. After all if we aren't offering these guys new contracts (as Woodward or Arnold would have done, to keep their "transfer value"), then they are leaving next summer on a free anyway.
Some players there is market for so we are stuck with them unless they improve and catch someone's eye i.e. Antony
Others have wages which are way too high apart from a handful of clubs to match i.e. Casemiro, Maguire, Sancho and Rashford.
Price of an apartment
Chelsea sold Hudson Odoi for 5 million this post is just a nonsense
Thanks.
Quite obviously more harm. We spent a tonne on an invisible player and paid him 120K a week. Up there with our worst ever transfers. Maybe the worst.
I was referring to selling him at that price TBH. My apologies.
Yes VDB had to go but we ended up selling him for literally peanuts. That gave the message out there that United will sell anyone on the similar terms if pushed. I am not suggesting that we shouldn't have sold VDB even on those terms. But maybe we should have done it towards the end of the summer transfer window when 2-3 other sales had already been done
I don't know, unlike Lindelof and AWB for example, he offered nothing remotely of any value. Not even as a placeholder. His loans were all a disaster. Getting him off the books I think was our second best bit of business this summer. He almost ceased to be a footballer. I'm not sure it'll be any barometer teams will use against us. We clearly have been wanting rid for a while, while the rest of the unwanteds play loads of matches and some even score important goals.
48 hours before first game:
WH gave up from AWB, Fulham gave up from McT, Maguire is not for sale, Lindelof has zero offers, Eriksen is staying, Casemiro is staying, Pellistri has no offers, Sancho to PSG is highly unlikely unless we accept to lose huge money on him.
WH gave up from AWB, Fulham gave up from McT, Maguire is not for sale, Lindelof has zero offers, Eriksen is staying, Casemiro is staying, Pellistri has no offers, Sancho to PSG is highly unlikely unless we accept to lose huge money on him.
How the feck do Pellistri and Mejbri have no offers? I was hoping we could sell them for 10-15M each.
Also seems like we have botched the McT and AWB transfers. Grim.
Also seems like we have botched the McT and AWB transfers. Grim.
It is like Arnold and Ed never left.
Why would anyone pay £10m for Mejbri?
Fair enough price for a young talented CM, despite couple of rough loans. Even 5M with a nice sellon clause would have been okay. Pellestri warrants 15M though, because he's a NT regular.
Rangers were supposedly interested at one point but that's more of a aub-5m deal.
Objectively, if pellistri played anywhere else, he’d have tonnes of interest. Compare him to Elanga for example - he’s achieved much more in his career. That one is a strange one.
I'm impressed with how INEOS has acted quickly to bring in a new executive, made-up of serious people, with professional experience and serious track records but the brutal truth is they were dealt a horrible hand. Years of Glazer-led incompetence allowed their predecessors to squander hundreds of millions on so much junk.
Everyone knows most of this squad needs moving-out. Everyone wants to see sales, so we get to make some essential buys but there's not much that's saleable. These are players with limited values, either because they're well past their best (Eriksen and Casemiro are the obvious) , or just weren't ever that good (a long list), however our specialists in failure gave most of them insane contracts, with wage levels that were never justified and definitely never earned. If you're a DoF at a well-run, mid-ranking club - and let's face it: no top-ranking team wants our ex-talent - having to operate within PSR rules that bite, then you're really not looking at us for recruitment. Which - some limited McT and AWB interest apart - is why we can't do much more in deals.
I think at least a couple will go - none of us know what's actually happening behind the scenes - but unwinding this sort of damage is a 2-3 year project.
They need time, money, and luck. We need patience.
Expect a mission to get back to the top of table in stages: competing for fourth this season; being much more competitive in the top 4 for 25/26; getting to an Arsenal style progression for 26/27...and may winning the thing the season after*.
* The window is there: Pep will leave City soon - hopefully when they get relegated - Arsenal will be past the peak of their cycle (unless they are really good at building from here), and a post-Klopp Liverpool is now in transition, unlikely to be anywhere near their recent peak. There's not a lot between the rest of the top 6-8.
Everyone knows most of this squad needs moving-out. Everyone wants to see sales, so we get to make some essential buys but there's not much that's saleable. These are players with limited values, either because they're well past their best (Eriksen and Casemiro are the obvious) , or just weren't ever that good (a long list), however our specialists in failure gave most of them insane contracts, with wage levels that were never justified and definitely never earned. If you're a DoF at a well-run, mid-ranking club - and let's face it: no top-ranking team wants our ex-talent - having to operate within PSR rules that bite, then you're really not looking at us for recruitment. Which - some limited McT and AWB interest apart - is why we can't do much more in deals.
I think at least a couple will go - none of us know what's actually happening behind the scenes - but unwinding this sort of damage is a 2-3 year project.
They need time, money, and luck. We need patience.
Expect a mission to get back to the top of table in stages: competing for fourth this season; being much more competitive in the top 4 for 25/26; getting to an Arsenal style progression for 26/27...and may winning the thing the season after*.
* The window is there: Pep will leave City soon - hopefully when they get relegated - Arsenal will be past the peak of their cycle (unless they are really good at building from here), and a post-Klopp Liverpool is now in transition, unlikely to be anywhere near their recent peak. There's not a lot between the rest of the top 6-8.
I didn’t say that
Isn't he on £20k a week? He's a decent player and surely worth a few mil to some top flight team somewhere
Arsenal aren’t going away, their best players are all young and will all be peaking at that point
Agree - they're going to be around and in the mix but the wider picture of a City / Arsenal / Liverpool dominance is likely to shift. Basically, scope for another club - ahem, a well-run club - to break into the dominant grouping.
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You maybe waiting abit longer than you think. Ratcliffe's interview on Bloomberg last month (worth a watch), he said the turn around will take ten years. The reference point being to be where Real Madrid are now both on and off the pitch.
Sadly turned into a bit of a damp squib of a window.
Two exciting signings but not necessarily guaranteed to improve our starting XI for next season and only 3 players sold so far.
Two exciting signings but not necessarily guaranteed to improve our starting XI for next season and only 3 players sold so far.
So Spurs or Villa then.
I jest, I agree with you generally. The Yoro signing is obviously a long term investment and I think we’re going to have to sacrifice short term success for a longer term upheaval.
But let’s not forget, this team won the fa cup and we’ve been without our two best defenders for most of the season. I have faith that we’ll be better next season regardless of transfers
It's a moonshot mindset: be bold, think long-term, do everything to enable things to happen (I think 4-5 years is realistic, not least because of what will happen to other clubs who'll fall back...I really, really hope, City is the prime candidate. For all the right reasons).
Lindelof and AWB have to go, we won't give them contracts as we don't want to commit to another five years so we need to make something on them now.
The younger lads like Hannible and Pellestri are a mystery, both need to move on really, I'd of thought they'd have found a club by now.
The younger lads like Hannible and Pellestri are a mystery, both need to move on really, I'd of thought they'd have found a club by now.
I wonder if we have issues moving academy players because we do rely on them to consolidate the squad ? In the sense that the ones with good potential will make their way to the pro team and that leaves the rest with the image they weren't up to snuff ? While at clubs like Chelsea and City there's more the impression that the ceiling is so high that good young players might be barred off ?
ETH's complaint has been that the academy hasn't been producing enough good players to service the first team. The very best will make the first team squad, but they are few and far between. The others seem not to be of sufficient quality for the PL in general.
I think City and Chelsea produce better academy players who can be sold on if they don't make the first team squad and there is a market for them as you said.
However this will change, INEOS identified the current academy setup as lacking. Also as ratcliffe said in interviews "we don't want to buy the kylian mbappe's of this world, we want to find the next kylian mbappe". As an example. So I think the emphasis on getting better young players into the system and improving the academy system will be up there in the priority list.
Was a sarcastic comment
This window started so well! If we had just sold mct and AWB and brought in De Ligt and Mazaraoui we would in a far better position already.
A few of the younger lads should have got themselves a move by now.
Pellistri is very strange, Hannibal too, it’s not just on United to find them new teams. Have some drive and get your agent working.
The pair of them are looking at about max 100 mins before Christmas. Literally wasting their time and talents. feckin take control of your own career.
Pellistri is very strange, Hannibal too, it’s not just on United to find them new teams. Have some drive and get your agent working.
The pair of them are looking at about max 100 mins before Christmas. Literally wasting their time and talents. feckin take control of your own career.
This!! And this is what people who talk about "reasonable fees" simply don't understand.
We could have get 35-40 mil euros for AWB and McT weeks ago but we wanted 50 combined.
We will probably end with zero.
INEOS still finding their feet with the shit show they’ve inherited for me at the moment. They don’t seem like the type of group to rush and press the panic button. Can see this being a transition of considerably more selling of deadwood with more new signings over the next couple of windows.
Yeah Woody and Judge's stupidity has lumbered us with players on mad wages and contracts. Would feel more optimism if we had got deals done for De Ligt and Mazraoui but Bayern not budging.
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