The Biden Presidency

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Anecdotally I still find it hard to imagine this will do anything but help him in the general. Only those farthest to the left in my experience are opposed to action at the border. The Dems have been most successful when catering to the center and center right and I haven't met a single person in my years in that category that didn't support stronger action to stop illegal immigration - which is what this will be seen as and not doing it will lose him the majority of those votes. Look at what happened in what is perceived to be a more left wing Europe where it was and still is a huge topic of frustration that made people cross over to the right.

This is not a fight for the far right or the far left, this is a fight for the center.
 
Redplane said:
Anecdotally I still find it hard to imagine this will do anything but help him in the general. Only those farthest to the left in my experience are opposed to action at the border. The Dems have been most successful when catering to the center and center right and I haven't met a single person in my years in that category that didn't support stronger action to stop illegal immigration - which is what this will be seen as and not doing it will lose him the majority of those votes. Look at what happened in what is perceived to be a more left wing Europe where it was and still is a huge topic of frustration that made people cross over to the right.

This is not a fight for the far right or the far left, this is a fight for the center.
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Na, this is a fight for the right. Trump doesnt fight for the center and of course neither the left. And the left will not vote ever for trump so they will not vote or vote for Biden to avoid trump.

The center is very much secured by Biden, the left has only Biden as an option. The right is what is in play
 
4bars said:
Na, this is a fight for the right. Trump doesnt fight for the center and of course neither the left. And the left will not vote ever for trump so they will not vote or vote for Biden to avoid trump.

The center is very much secured by Biden, the left has only Biden as an option. The right is what is in play
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I don't think things break down that simple. I think there are a lot of voters that won't fit neatly into that rough characterization. There are people that might be very socially liberal but economically conservative or somewhat liberal religious people that might average out into the "center" but could be motivated to vote by very different things. Some people only care about the "economy" for selfish reasons and some are much more apolitical and don't trust either party so they might not vote or vote on a whim come November. I've met some examples of all of those that would still fall under the undecided voter category but for very different reasons. I wouldn't say Biden has all the groups that might average out to "center" locked up. Then the people that might sit out because of Israel-Gaza are also extremely diverse from socially conservative Muslims to extremely progressive LGBTQ activists from Gen Z where they might be 100% in alignment with not liking Biden's support of Israel and genocide but have almost diametrically opposed views on social issues like LGBTQ rights. Then there are some moderate Jewish people that might typically vote Democrat but they feel Biden hasn't gone far enough in support of Israel (yes, these people do exist as I have heard first hand accounts).
 
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oneniltothearsenal said:
I don't think things break down that simple. I think there are a lot of voters that won't fit neatly into that rough characterization. There are people that might be very socially liberal but economically conservative or somewhat liberal religious people that might average out into the "center" but could be motivated to vote by very different things. Some people only care about the "economy" for selfish reasons and some are much more apolitical and don't trust either party so they might not vote or vote on a whim come November. I've met some examples of all of those that would still fall under the undecided voter category but for very different reasons. I wouldn't say Biden has all the groups that might average out to "center" locked up. Then the people that might sit out because of Israel-Gaza are also extremely diverse from socially conservative Muslims to extremely progressive LGBTQ activists from Gen Z where they might be 100% in alignment with not liking Biden's support of Israel and genocide but have almost diametrically opposed views on social issues like LGBTQ rights. Then there are some moderate Jewish people that might typically vote Democrat but they feel Biden hasn't gone far enough in support of Israel (yes, these people do exist as I have heard first hand accounts).
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Oh yes. Absolutely. You just describing that every individual has its own reasons to vote. even there are leftists that they have that odd right wing policy preference. Maybe anti abortion and might prefer trump because are superinvested.

When we talk about left-center-right (and extremes) I assume we are talking in general terms and who, of this blocks that share certain interests are more likely to vote based on what each candidate offers to them
 
Surely he needs replacing as the Democrat nominee. Guessing with the 1st debate being early it gives the Dems a chance to replace him if he cannot string 2 sentences together and Trump destroys him in the CNN face off.
 
VorZakone said:
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McGurk, who is deep in the inner circle and has wide powers relating to Israel, has been in successive administrations since W Bush. His long-term goal through these decades is the Saudi deal as a way for Israel to become a recognised Middle Eastern player without needing to make any adjustments with Palestine.
I wonder if he thinks either that
1. the deal is more important than shorter-term concerns like the presidency, or
2. the deal has a better chance under Trump

Either would explain Biden's Israel pollicy.
 
could go in the palestine thread, but this is more directly about the power biden has which he will never touch. there's already an anecdote like this from reagan to begin, and this is carter proposing a more drastic step and getting an immediate response:

 
berbatrick said:
could go in the palestine thread, but this is more directly about the power biden has which he will never touch. there's already an anecdote like this from reagan to begin, and this is carter proposing a more drastic step and getting an immediate response:

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Carter and Reagan proved a long time ago that the POTUS, of all people, having their hands tied is a myth used to gaslight any voter having concerns on Biden's foreign policy and send them on a guilt trip.

He's is a Zionist through and through, and his administration the most pro-Israel in US history, Trump's coming as a close second.
 
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Carter and Reagan proved a long time that the POTUS, of all people, has their hands tied is a myth used to gaslight any voter having concerns on Biden's foreign policy and send them on a guilt trip.

He's is a Zionist through and through, and his administration the most pro-Israel in US history, Trump's coming as a close second.
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Trump is probably the least zionist of them all. He is just there for the money and AIPAC & Co have it
 




another hilarious thing in retrospect is attacking trump for relying on family in high places.
 
I guess the Palestinians don't matter as Biden is now hailed as a hero.



 
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Biden heroically leaves the presidency after having every major party figure threaten him in private, wow such character.
 
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I guess the Palestinians don't matter as Biden is now hailed as a hero.



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He isn't refusing a chance to become president. He is the fecking president. Deciding to retire before being forced out sets a very low bar for heroism.
 
If he had had the foresight, wisdom and humility to realize this a year ago, allow a democratic process to select the nominee, and let that person build national name recognition, that might have been worthy of praise.

It's sheer arrogance that it has come to this. Nothing to praise about the shit show he has created.
 


1. ~1/3 of all nations on Earth now face some form of US sanctions. Huge increase from when mostly applied to Cuba & a handful of regimes
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2. +*60%* of *all poor countries* are under US sanctions of some kind. Has become almost a reflex of US foreign policy
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3. Sanctions have spawned multi-billion-dollar lobbying & influence industry, enriching former US officials who are hired by foreign countries & oligarchs
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4. Sanctions have had devastating effects on innocent civilians. In Cuba, they've made critical medical supplies impossible to import. In Venezuela, they contributed to a financial collapse 3X greater than the US Great Depression. Syria faces its greatest humanitarian crisis this year after a decade civil war & sanctions
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5. Treasury staffers drafted a ~40 page plan aimed at reforming the sanctions process that was dramatically whittled down amid disagreements w/ State
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6. OFAC is widely described as overwhelmed by tens of thousands of requests. WH officials have brainstormed sanctions scenarios w/ outside nonprofits
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7. Biden has unleashed unprecedented volley of +6K sanctions in 2 years. Higher than even previously unprecedented rate of Trump. “We don’t think about the collateral damage of sanctions the same way we think about the collateral damage of war ... But we should.”
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https://washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2024/us-sanction-countries-work/
 
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In the European Union, the U.S. opposed an effort to reduce lead levels in baby formula. In Taiwan, it sought to alter labeling that highlighted the health benefits of breastfeeding. And in Colombia, it questioned an attempt to limit microbiological contaminants — the very problem that shut down a manufacturing plant in Michigan in 2022, leading to a widespread formula shortage.

As ProPublica reported earlier this year, the U.S. has long used its diplomatic and political muscle to advance the interests of companies like Abbott, which makes Similac, and Mead Johnson, maker of Enfamil, while thwarting the efforts of developing countries to safeguard the health of their youngest children.

Through public records, academic research and other sources, ProPublica found evidence of such meddling in 21 countries, plus Hong Kong, Taiwan and the European Union, over decades. In multiple instances, countries either tabled or changed proposed formula regulations after the U.S. lodged objections.

The pro-industry letters are the result of a policymaking process in which manufacturers are encouraged to weigh in. In fact, the U.S. Department of Agriculture runs a tracking system that “notifies industry and other users when potentially adverse foreign regulations” come up at the World Trade Organization, an international forum for settling trade disputes. Companies can then “provide input into official U.S. government comments.”
 
VorZakone said:
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That is frankly amszing. The recession yhat the media was pushing over and over (risking to provoking it spreading fear) had been quite a sustain growth. As much as biden is a genocide prick, the macroeconomic results of his policies had been outstanding
 
4bars said:
That is frankly amszing. The recession yhat the media was pushing over and over (risking to provoking it spreading fear) had been quite a sustain growth. As much as biden is a genocide prick, the macroeconomic results of his policies had been outstanding
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Just as the inflation etc was not his fault, this is also not because of policies.
 
VorZakone said:
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There has been 21% inflation since 2020, so adjusted for that, the GDP is smaller than it was pre-covid right? Based in that graph, the GDP growth adjusted for inflation has been negative even compared to 2018. So the only reason why the GDP is higher than 2020 or even 2018 is because the value of a dollar is smaller. I guess that is why people are not happy with the economy, they have less money than at any stage since the last financial crisis.

Apologies if I am missing something, not an economy expert.
 
Revan said:
There has been 21% inflation since 2020, so adjusted for that, the GDP is smaller than it was pre-covid right? Based in that graph, the GDP growth adjusted for inflation has been negative even compared to 2018. So the only reason why the GDP is higher than 2020 or even 2018 is because the value of a dollar is smaller. I guess that is why people are not happy with the economy, they have less money than at any stage since the last financial crisis.

Apologies if I am missing something, not an economy expert.
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The graph is already adjusted for inflation.
 
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