To be fair he was actually still a Manchester United player at the time he became interim manager so of course his immediate instinct was to train as a player - it was a massively new experience for him. Now, with a few seasons of no on-pitch involvement I'd imagine his mentality and approach would be substantially different.
The Argument for Giggs as our Next Manager
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You are right about this of course, but its worth remembering that the team and club when SAF took over was an entirely different monster to what it is now.
I do understand the need for the manager to have their finger on the pulse over various aspects of the club - to me this again links back to how different it can be managing a huge entity like United, compared with a smaller club.
As far as Giggs is concerned, all I can say is that after years of working under SAF and LVG, he should by now have learnt and understood the various facets and aspects of the club that require the managers attention.
He is also seen what things look like when it all goes tits up, like under Moyes
This just came up on the beeb;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33906693
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33906693
Teddy Sheringham tips Ryan Giggs to succeed Louis van Gaal
By Mark PoyserBBC Wales football reporter
Teddy Sheringham interview
Programme: Sport Wales Channel: BBC Two Wales Date: Friday, 14 August Start time: 19:00 BST
Also available: on iPlayer for seven days after transmission
Former England and Manchester United striker Teddy Sheringham says it "wouldn't surprise" him if Ryan Giggs was the next manager at Old Trafford.
The Welshman is Louis van Gaal's Red Devils assistant and was their interim manager for four games after David Moyes' sacking in April 2014.
Sheringham believes ex-team-mate Giggs could eventually take the top job.
"When you saw him in the hot seat the season before last, I think he looked quite comfortable," said Sheringham.
"He spoke more than I have ever heard him speak in the press conferences.
"He's a very quiet man, very personal. I was surprised [when he took the job] but I thought he looked at home.
"The experience he'll be getting under Van Gaal will hold him in good stead.
"It wouldn't surprise me if he was the next Manchester United manager."
Sheringham has just accepted his first managerial role, taking over Stevenage in League Two.
As well as playing 963 games for United, Giggs also won 64 Wales caps before retiring in May 2014.
But Sheringham does not think Cardiff-born Giggs will manage his country in the near future.
The late Gary Speed was 41 when he was appointed Wales boss in December, 2010 and Chris Coleman was the same age when he took over in January, 2012.
Sheringham believes that even though he is now 41, Giggs would not be looking to manage a national team yet.
"I think an international job is for an older man," Sheringham told the BBC's Sport Wales programme.
Teddy Sheringham made 418 Premier League appearances, while Giggs is the record holder with 632
"It's not a day-to-day basis with international teams.
"I think you have to be really experienced, although Gary Speed did very well with Wales and Chris Coleman is doing well now.
"If I was looking at it from an outside point of view, I think once you've cut your teeth in the leagues with the Premier League then you go onto that job later in life.
"But you never know in football, things come up.
"It's like me taking this job [at Stevenage]. I came here and had a look at the set-up and it all felt right. That's why I'm here.
"It might be the same for Ryan."
Sheringham brings his Stevenage side to Wales on Saturday to take on Terry Butcher's Newport County at Rodney Parade, with both teams looking for their first league win of the season.
By Mark PoyserBBC Wales football reporter
Teddy Sheringham interview
Programme: Sport Wales Channel: BBC Two Wales Date: Friday, 14 August Start time: 19:00 BST
Also available: on iPlayer for seven days after transmission
Former England and Manchester United striker Teddy Sheringham says it "wouldn't surprise" him if Ryan Giggs was the next manager at Old Trafford.
The Welshman is Louis van Gaal's Red Devils assistant and was their interim manager for four games after David Moyes' sacking in April 2014.
Sheringham believes ex-team-mate Giggs could eventually take the top job.
"When you saw him in the hot seat the season before last, I think he looked quite comfortable," said Sheringham.
"He spoke more than I have ever heard him speak in the press conferences.
"He's a very quiet man, very personal. I was surprised [when he took the job] but I thought he looked at home.
"The experience he'll be getting under Van Gaal will hold him in good stead.
"It wouldn't surprise me if he was the next Manchester United manager."
Sheringham has just accepted his first managerial role, taking over Stevenage in League Two.
As well as playing 963 games for United, Giggs also won 64 Wales caps before retiring in May 2014.
But Sheringham does not think Cardiff-born Giggs will manage his country in the near future.
The late Gary Speed was 41 when he was appointed Wales boss in December, 2010 and Chris Coleman was the same age when he took over in January, 2012.
Sheringham believes that even though he is now 41, Giggs would not be looking to manage a national team yet.
"I think an international job is for an older man," Sheringham told the BBC's Sport Wales programme.
Teddy Sheringham made 418 Premier League appearances, while Giggs is the record holder with 632
"It's not a day-to-day basis with international teams.
"I think you have to be really experienced, although Gary Speed did very well with Wales and Chris Coleman is doing well now.
"If I was looking at it from an outside point of view, I think once you've cut your teeth in the leagues with the Premier League then you go onto that job later in life.
"But you never know in football, things come up.
"It's like me taking this job [at Stevenage]. I came here and had a look at the set-up and it all felt right. That's why I'm here.
"It might be the same for Ryan."
Sheringham brings his Stevenage side to Wales on Saturday to take on Terry Butcher's Newport County at Rodney Parade, with both teams looking for their first league win of the season.
I don't think Giggs should walk right into the job but the way things are setting up, it looks like that's who we're getting. LVG will only be here for perhaps 3-4 seasons so Giggs is the logical man to keep any kind of continuity.
Do I think he would succeed? It's highly possible but he is completely unproven in a lot of areas. For instance, would he have the drawing power needed to attract new players or would players interested in coming to United look at him with suspicion and decide to go somewhere else? Can he lead the club through one of our many injury crises? Or how would he deal with conflicts/issues between staff and players?
These questions, I think, are part of why fans would rather see Giggs at another club first, so that we can get a sense of what he can and can't do. Sir Alex was a one-time situation but he had proven himself as a good manager many times over before he came here.
Do I think he would succeed? It's highly possible but he is completely unproven in a lot of areas. For instance, would he have the drawing power needed to attract new players or would players interested in coming to United look at him with suspicion and decide to go somewhere else? Can he lead the club through one of our many injury crises? Or how would he deal with conflicts/issues between staff and players?
These questions, I think, are part of why fans would rather see Giggs at another club first, so that we can get a sense of what he can and can't do. Sir Alex was a one-time situation but he had proven himself as a good manager many times over before he came here.
Our current club captain is Wayne Rooney.
It has to depend on the degree of continuity that you're trying to achieve. If Giggs is fully in tune with what LvG is trying to build at United, then he would be the obvious choice. The Liverpool (Shankly, etc.) and Barcelona (Pep) models come to mind. If Giggs hasn't bought into the model then he's an agent of change and, as such, should be considered alongside outside candidates. Personally, I would like to see him given the opportunity, but not at the cost of another round of total disruption.
Agreed.
Giggs as manager, Gary Neville and Ole as assistants, Scholes and Rio as coaches. Do it.
This is a United manager in the making.
Probably true, but only a single manager in the last 10-15 years (when the football changedmore than ever cause of money) took a top team as his first (in fact, almost first) job and was a success on it. Pep Guardiola.
No thanks I want somebody who has managed at the highest level.
Hate it or love it, Giggsy will manage United sometime in the future. He is well worth the risk and there isn't anyone else more deserving than him from the rank of players under fergie.
If Pep can do it. Giggs can too
There you have it folks! Case closed.
Different situation IMO. In 2008, Barça could get away with a gamble knowing only an unbelievable horror show would ensure Barca or Madrid for that matter would not challenge for the title/finish top two given the lop sided nature of La Liga at that time. In England, i think it's too big of a gamble you can take as United themselves found out with Moyes. I think it's too competitive in England for a gamble like that. Challenging for the title, finishing top four is a guarantee for nobody no matter who you are.
How many have had the opportunity in that time I wonder? And I wouldn't count people suddenly given caretaker role for whatever reason (because that's an unfair starting point) but those cases where it was actually planned that they would get the job.
For me this has got to be a very good reason for not employing him as United manager.
The best players rarely go on to make the best managers and I have no reason to believe that Giggs will be one of the exceptions. It would be utterly foolish to give him the role as manager of United purely because he wants the job and was a "fan's favourite" as a player.
Not many, I guess. Anyway if it isn't happening, then probably there are good reasons for it.
We tried this stupid experiment before with Wilf McGuinness...It took us almost another 40 years to get another man to reach such ineptitude..Giggs should get the job solely on merit, that means he should go out and coach elsewhere..and if he proves to be above extraordinary, then he should be considered..if he fails and isnt good enough, then the United job was never for him anyway.
I'd rather take a chance on someone like Emery that has actually done a great job elsewhere and proven himself consistently.
I'd rather take a chance on someone like Emery that has actually done a great job elsewhere and proven himself consistently.
Wasnt Gary Neville part of the management team in the worst ever English team to have qualified for a world cup? It seems everyone from Roy Hodgson down to his team has gotten off scot-free from that..
Steve mclaren was worse for England and where was he in 1999
? Don't forget our current manager either!So actually it has a very high success rate in recent times? Depends what you define as a top club I guess.
Blind nostalgia is the quickest path to mediocrity and ruin.
Those two paid for their crimes..None of the England team have been even questioned..Its as if people have just given up on England and accepted such poor perfomances...its a travesty that Roy is still managerSteve mclaren was worse for England and where was he in 1999
Its a year too late, buts its an interesting read and a cautionary warning.
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If you mean Pep Guardiola was a success = rate of success if high, then yes.
Anyway, Giggs isn't Guardiola. Their only similarity is that they were great players.
Why do people even mention Guardiola?
He wasn't being groomed for the job, or even the b team job.
He chose the b team job over a boardroom role, and then it was there that he showed the vision and quality that got him the full job. There was tangible evidence that he had something substantial to offer.
I'm not for or against Giggs, but Guardiola has no real relevance, when you actually break things down.
He wasn't being groomed for the job, or even the b team job.
He chose the b team job over a boardroom role, and then it was there that he showed the vision and quality that got him the full job. There was tangible evidence that he had something substantial to offer.
I'm not for or against Giggs, but Guardiola has no real relevance, when you actually break things down.
I certainly have!
The Moyes failure tells us absolutely nothing regarding the merits of 'earning your stripes at the lower level'. Each failure/success has it's own set of circumstances which is why for every Pep there is a Pipo Inzaghi and for every David Moyes you will find an Enrique - you know someone who went to the lower echelons, found moderate success and landed his dream job.
The utter refusal by most on here to have Giggs prove himself displays a lack of confidence in his abilities, like you know he will fail and with that his chance will die too. I am a firm believer of the saying: the cream will always rise to the top.
And, I've always said this, the bar for club legends is always lower than it is for other managers. That's why even the likes of Allan Shearer have managed in the EPL. The kind of people who really in charge of this club - not Fergie, Woodward or LVG - will have seen the costly rebuild we have had to endure because of a botched up transition, you are living in dreamland if you think they are going to delegate this one let alone rubber stamp such a high risk appointment. If anyone thinks they are going to pick someone who has ''knows the club inside out'' and ''was tutored by two of the best'' as his strong points over serial trophy winners like Mourinho, Pep and Carlo then you are set to be disappointed, if Ryan believes it then I feel for him.
Amen
One thing I can say is that if Giggs does get the nod, there are going to be a few quotes from this thread that will look a bit silly.
And when he doesnt? Will the opposite of those posts look silly?
I dont think anyone is categorically stating that we must employ Giggs, or that the club/board would be idiots not to. I have presented what I think are good arguments for why he would be a good appointment, some have agreed, others have discussed it and made counterpoints, and then some have come barnstorming in proclaiming that it is a ridiculous notion and that those in favour of it must simply be romantic fools.
Obviously being an internet forum, you are always going to get people like that, but LVG has already said that he thinks Giggs will succeed him, and others close to the club have come out with similar views, so clearly the notion of us appointing Giggs isnt that outlandish or ridiculous, and is surely worthy of reasoned discussion (and I have enjoyed discussing it with some posters in this thread, such as @Adebesi )?
But saying that other opposing views will look silly isnt really fair though either..I think that LVG didnt have much of a choice in what to say, by saying the Giggs is likely his replacement thing, it gets Giggs in his good books too, and avoids unnecessary conflict..I think the romantics in that board room got their man with the appointment of Moyes, and now they will have to do a lot to motivate another such appointment..I dont think any United manager from now on will have much of say in his successor either..
Fair enough, but I disagree.
I guess only time will tell..my only contention was the opposing views being silly, but other than that, time will tell.
In regards to point three, and not wanting another lengthy transition, I think we need to get used to the fact that managers like Fergie are rare both in the modern game, and in general. It's incredibly unlikely we're going to get a new manager who comes in and is both hugely successful and stays around for more than 5 years or so.
The vast majority of top clubs have a fairly regularly turnover in regards to managers. It's unlikely that we're going to be any different. Even if Giggs comes in and is successful, he could decide after 4 years that he's had enough and wants to have a rest for a while. Guardiola is an example. While he may not be a one club man like Giggs was, he was largely a Barcelona man, and became one of their most successful managers. Despite that, he wasn't there for very long.
That's the way football is nowadays. We're not some special snowflake who will have a constant manager in place for decades. I hope that we don't go the way of Chelsea, with a ridiculously high managerial turnover, but it's likely that we'll become another club who switch it about quite regularly, and that's not a bad thing.
The vast majority of top clubs have a fairly regularly turnover in regards to managers. It's unlikely that we're going to be any different. Even if Giggs comes in and is successful, he could decide after 4 years that he's had enough and wants to have a rest for a while. Guardiola is an example. While he may not be a one club man like Giggs was, he was largely a Barcelona man, and became one of their most successful managers. Despite that, he wasn't there for very long.
That's the way football is nowadays. We're not some special snowflake who will have a constant manager in place for decades. I hope that we don't go the way of Chelsea, with a ridiculously high managerial turnover, but it's likely that we'll become another club who switch it about quite regularly, and that's not a bad thing.
Soon after Moyes was sacked Sir Alex came out and said Giggs should be our next manager and the media awash with United legends lobbying for him. After the way Moyes was sacked despite the Sirs, Gary Neville and all sorts of people saying he will be given time, we aren't like other clubs etc I think there was a huge chance of a huge fallout and a mini civil war breaking out culminating in Sir Alex walking away. It is under these circumstances that Woodward promised Giggs the AM job and subsequently the gig itself to appease the Moyes constituency that had rallied around Giggs at the time. I wouldn't be shocked if Giggs was a concession LVG had to make and he is smart enough to walk the party line on this.
When the time comes the Glazers will just dictate what goes and this issue will rear it's ugly head again. But seeing that they are ones who have picked the tab for the Moyes debacle I'm certain they won't accommodate such romantic notions. Fergie and Charlton really blew it for Giggs imo.
While you make some good points in your looooooong and we'll written post, my concern with Giggs is that he doesn't come across as being an arrogant twat. To manage a huge club, you need that little bit of an eccentric flair. He doesn't have that person or aura about him. This along with the fact that he doesn't have any first hand experience barring the last few games after Moyesy was fired, makes it hard for me to fight for his case.
Also, it all depends on when LVG leaves and how good our squad is at the time. If we continue to buy high profile names, we may need a high profile manager to keep egos in check.
Too early for this. No point in taking a side now.
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