The Argument for Giggs as our Next Manager

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People keep mentioning the likes of Pep and Mourinho but really, they're 2 out of how many ? Maybe one in hundred or thousand. 9/10 times you got someone like Robson or Keano( as manager)

Giggs had proved nothing and I don't think Glazzers, Ed are very fond of this idea either. They gave Moyes chance, he turned out to be a clown, they gave Louis over 200m pound, we're still nowhere winning the league or anything that matters. So yea lets give Giggs a chance, I'm sure it's a logical thing to do.
 
Among all of our ex legends who turns into manager post retirements, i can only say blanc is good enough to be mentioned. He's not even our legend

What do giggs have that they dont? Without looking at the latent talent and the inside of their brain, they are all cut from the same cloth. But all of them fails, even roy fecking keane got despised by his players
 
Walrus said:
So thats the thing isnt it - Mourinho got the Chelsea job on the back of doing well at Sporting. Would be see a similar appointment from them now that they are an established big club? Their appointments since then have exclusively been "top tier" coaches with buckets of experience. Mourinho was definitely the right person for them at the right time, but for me I couldnt see a Chelsea or Real Madrid appointing someone purely on the back of their success at Sporting (no disrespect to Sporting of course).

Klopp was at Mainz for 7 years and managed to get them into the Bundesliga for the first time, but they were relegated again under his tenure. Would an equivalent performance from Giggs - taking a championship team into the PL for a year or two after a fairly long stint at the club - really be sufficient for him to have "proved himself" for the United job? I am inclined to say no. Dortmund took a chance on Klopp, just as Chelsea took a chance on Mourinho.

The point I am making here is to ask what level of independent success Giggs would need to achieve as a manager outside of United, for him to be deemed a worthy and low-risk candidate? He would surely have to exceed Moyes' Everton tenure since we all know how that ended up. Again, the job Giggs is being groomed and prepared for is to manage United, and nobody else.
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Not much. Just keep the job steady. Clear tactical gameplan. No fiasco with the boards. Steady progress. That signs would make you a solid midtable manager ala moyes.

To win or challenging top 4 (not in a fluke manner) would make him top manager potential.

It might sounds default, but none of our recent ex legends managed it. Ole and keane got the boot unsanctimoniously. Bruce past the first test but fails at the second.

Mind you pep/mou/simeone did won something or challenging in José case.

That would be enough of proving himself.
 
I'd like to see Giggs as our manager one day if possible but it really should be earned and not just given. I don't really buy the argument of there being no value in him proving himself elsewhere, SAF showed before coming here that he had huge talent with what he did at Aberdeen. Good managers tend to shine through wherever they go.
 
Peoples' opinions would be different if the cheating scandals were not made public.

The op raises some great points.
 
van Gaal praising Giggs, so? We all know the story of LvG's words about Pep and Mourinho, does not prevent them from having to earn it first, like smaller clubs in Portugal to FC Porto or at least a proper head job in the case of Pep. Now all of a sudden Giggs just straight away jumps up right there?
 
It's still way too premature. No one knows how he'll do here, he could end up as Moyes or SAF. I think he should try his skills at a lower club in the PL first so that he can prove his managerial nous. Much like how Enrique is now managing Barca.

It would be wonderful if a legend worked out as a manager here but otherwise it could make things even more difficult, like getting him to leave if results are poor.
 
I say yes. Sometimes we need to take risk, if we see could see potential of some great return there. Barca took their risk on Guardiola and Enrique, why can't we take our chance on Giggs? It's now (I mean in few years time) or never. For those questioning Giggs experience, well by the time he took over, he would have at least 4 years of experience on the role of assistant manager at one of the greatest club in the world.
 
Frankly, I am quite shocked at how out of love and out of touch some of the users in here are with United.

I thought that it was pretty much a given that Giggs will be taking over from Van Gaal after his tenure? Giggs was there to pick up the pieces after Moyes, he'll be there to pick up the pieces if the Van Gaal era ends poorly. I thought the entire point of him being the assistant was that he will be groomed to take over? I see absolutely no point in making him the assistant otherwise.

I also genuinely have no idea why you'd want him to prove himself at a lower club either. The assistant managing director of Walmart doesn't prove he can go out and turn the corner store into global corporation a before he gets a shot at being managing director. If the board and the club want him in the managers role then he is primed, set up and ready to go into it after Van Gaal. Sending him out only creates further diminishing chances that he will ever attain the role himself. I'd also love it if Ole came back in some regards as well.
 
Minimalist said:
Aside from Pep, who else?

EDIT: In recent history I mean. Don't throw Daglish at me.
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Frank de Boer has done a very good job at Ajax thus far. On the other side of the scale, Pippo Inzaghi was sacked by Milan at the end of last season. I've always felt United appointing Giggs as their next manager straight after van Gaal would be too big of a risk to take.
 
hbgreg said:
The main reason people want Giggs in as a manager IS so that he can rip apart what LvG laid down and go back to the "PROPER MANCHESTER UNITED WAY"
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It's exactly opposite for me. I want Giggs to take over after LvG and add his own idea of a more attacking approach WITHOUT ripping apart LvG's foundation. If there's something LvG is good at, it's building fundamentals.
Anybody who'd want to tear that apart would be the wrong person for the job.

It could work, it could fail. But depending on the managerial situation once that day comes, I could imagine Giggs could be ready.

One thing I'm certain of is that he doesn't need to leave United to be able to manage United. He'll either float or sink, but he doesn't need to prove anything elsewhere to be considered for the job imo.
 
Revan said:
One appointment cause of [devilish] nepotism [/devilish] is too much for my liking. Add another two and you are very deep into gambling (gambling your house in order to get back your car). It would be nice if it goes right, but chances that three people with no experience in managing can manage a top club are zero (not close to it). Even when the LVG's staff retires, Giggs should still have top assistants, not some friends who happened to be great players a decade ago. Even SAF, the greatest of them all, got himself top assistants, not ex Rangers players.
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Yeah, Bayern have had some really crap experience going down that lane.
 
MarkC said:
I'd like to see Giggs as our manager one day if possible but it really should be earned and not just given. I don't really buy the argument of there being no value in him proving himself elsewhere, SAF showed before coming here that he had huge talent with what he did at Aberdeen. Good managers tend to shine through wherever they go.
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It's one of the least logical positions I have ever seen anyone take on anything. People seem to be worried that Giggs will struggle at a small club and are twisting that into a reason for him being a good manager at one of the biggest.
 
Let him manage a club like Villa or Southampton, demonstrate he can spot a player in the market, develop youth and play good winning football and then I'm interested, until then, no thanks. He can stay as number 2
 
RedRonaldo said:
I say yes. Sometimes we need to take risk, if we see could see potential of some great return there. Barca took their risk on Guardiola and Enrique, why can't we take our chance on Giggs? It's now (I mean in few years time) or never. For those questioning Giggs experience, well by the time he took over, he would have at least 4 years of experience on the role of assistant manager at one of the greatest club in the world.
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Barcelona have been blessed with an insanely good squad in recent years, probably the best ever. Messi, Neymar and Suarez FFS, yes, even big Sam or Moyes would be winning major titles with those three up front. It is cheating really.
 
settembrini said:
It's one of the least logical positions I have ever seen anyone take on anything. People seem to be worried that Giggs will struggle at a small club and are twisting that into a reason for him being a good manager at one of the biggest.
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It's not completely illogical. He could pick up "bad habits" at smaller clubs, the likes of which we hated Moyes for. Sometimes people do best when you just drop them in the deep end and we know that Giggs can handle more than a bit of pressure.

I'm 80% certain he wouldn't do very well but I still think we should give him the job, it'll be awesome for the neutrals either way.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Barcelona have been blessed with an insanely good squad in recent years, probably the best ever. Messi, Neymar and Suarez FFS, yes, even big Sam or Moyes would be winning major titles with those three up front. It is cheating really.
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Still they needed Guardiola to come and transform the team before they became this good. Before his arrival they still had Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Eto'o and struggled a lot, no team could do well without good management.
 
Some people are really robotic bastards on here. Winning trophies under people like Cantona or Giggs or Scholes would be worth far far more than doing it under some random guy with zero connection to United. All the people saying feck tradition and romance just puzzle me. We are not fans of some business. We are fans of a sports team and there's a certain element of romance and tradition involved.

That's not to say I want Giggs as our manager or that I think it will be a huge success. But if it happens, I for one will be really excited about it regardless of whether it makes any logical sense or not.
 
United again! said:
Frankly, I am quite shocked at how out of love and out of touch some of the users in here are with United.

I thought that it was pretty much a given that Giggs will be taking over from Van Gaal after his tenure? Giggs was there to pick up the pieces after Moyes, he'll be there to pick up the pieces if the Van Gaal era ends poorly. I thought the entire point of him being the assistant was that he will be groomed to take over? I see absolutely no point in making him the assistant otherwise.

I also genuinely have no idea why you'd want him to prove himself at a lower club either. The assistant managing director of Walmart doesn't prove he can go out and turn the corner store into global corporation a before he gets a shot at being managing director. If the board and the club want him in the managers role then he is primed, set up and ready to go into it after Van Gaal. Sending him out only creates further diminishing chances that he will ever attain the role himself. I'd also love it if Ole came back in some regards as well.
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To get such high role at Walmart they'd either have to climb up the ladder within the company and likely work as lower tier director/manager for a good while before being considered, or they'd have to be external candidates with actual experience in similar role. Either way it'd require the candidate to have some experience in a connected role. Giggs will have none if he's appointed straight after van Gaal, acting as an assistant manager is completely different kettle.

I'm not completely against it. I am afraid though that the romance of this possible decision could cause some completely illogical decision making from the board, for instance if we finish 9th in our first season playing terrible football Giggs would likely get more time because of his long standing connection with the club as opposed to someone like Moyes that we could dispose of quickly because there was no fans affection or history with him.
 
Akash said:
Some people are really robotic bastards on here. Winning trophies under people like Cantona or Giggs or Scholes would be worth far far more than doing it under some random guy with zero connection to United. All the people saying feck tradition and romance just puzzle me. We are not fans of some business. We are fans of a sports team and there's a certain element of romance and tradition involved.

That's not to say I want Giggs as our manager or that I think it will be a huge success. But if it happens, I for one will be really excited about it regardless of whether it makes any logical sense or not.
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Bingo... you only live once, we should give this a go!
 
One argument you hear about Giggs becoming a suitable manager for United is how he played under Fergusona and is now learning from van Gaal. Pep also played under Cruyff and van Gaal - the two great living Dutch managers, but that's now what made him the great manager he is today. It may seem a small, even insignificant thing but you could tell Pep had a sense for management by spending six hours talking tactics in the company of Marcelo Bielsa. He had this insatiable thirst for the job.

I also feel that a manager needs to be an excellent leader of men, so why was Giggs never United's captain in his own right. I've long felt Giggs could end up more along the Sir Bobby Charlton line, club ambassador, future board member. If Gary Neville's footballing horizons have been suitable broadened from the "utd way" 4-4-2, width, crossed etc, I think he could make a good manager in his own right wherever that may be.
 
Akash said:
Some people are really robotic bastards on here. Winning trophies under people like Cantona or Giggs or Scholes would be worth far far more than doing it under some random guy with zero connection to United. All the people saying feck tradition and romance just puzzle me. We are not fans of some business. We are fans of a sports team and there's a certain element of romance and tradition involved.

That's not to say I want Giggs as our manager or that I think it will be a huge success. But if it happens, I for one will be really excited about it regardless of whether it makes any logical sense or not.
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Romance wise we should stick with moyes until he deliver us, that's romance.
 
Akash said:
Some people are really robotic bastards on here. Winning trophies under people like Cantona or Giggs or Scholes would be worth far far more than doing it under some random guy with zero connection to United. All the people saying feck tradition and romance just puzzle me. We are not fans of some business. We are fans of a sports team and there's a certain element of romance and tradition involved.
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When Ferguson was leading us to title after title were you upset that we weren't being managed by Steve Coppell?
 
settembrini said:
When Ferguson was leading us to title after title were you upset that we weren't being managed by Steve Coppell?
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Well done for missing the point. I'm not demanding that Ryan Giggs be our manager nor am I disappointed or upset that LVG I our current manager but rather I am bewildered at the strong opposition and even disdain to the idea of Giggs becoming the manager post LVG.

As for Fergie, I'm not sure you can compare Coppell to Giggs. However, the idea of some united legend hanging around in the 1980's leading us back to glory and championships would have certainly been more appealing and romantic than hiring a manager from Aberdeen. I'm glad we didn't do it given what's happened of course but if I had been alive and someone like Bobby Charlton had been appointed manager I'd have been really excited. I certainly wouldn't have been moaning in a pub somewhere on how Bobby Charlton needs to prove himself.
 
Siorac said:
Bobby Charlton then.
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The apt comparison there would be whether or not you would take Bobby Charlton over Tommy Docherty - I wouldn't have many issues with that assuming he was in a similar situation to Giggs (being groomed for the job) - I don't think he was though.
 
Shamwow said:
Steve Coppell is nowhere near to Giggs in the club legend stakes.
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Very few players are. The point is when United wanted a new manager in 86 they could have gone for Coppell. A nice guy with little experience but who had a huge connection with our club after having played the best part of 400 games for us (doesn't he still have the record for most consecutive appearances by a non-keeper?) Instead they went for Ferguson, an appointment based not on sentiment or romance but on his stellar track record in Scotland. At United Ferguson fulfilled the potential he had shown in his earlier jobs while Coppell has spent almost all his career in the lower leagues and won nothing. Imo United made the logical choice and reaped the rewards but reading this thread there seems to be quite a lot of people who would have preferred Coppell. I find that fascinating.
 
He just comes across as not having the force of personality to be a leader. The points about never being captain are telling. He tried to return to "united" football after moyes... That didn't turn out well. I can see him itching already to play 4-4-2

Fergie always bleated solksjaer (sp) would make the best manager before he stepped down and look how he is holding up now

How many times in our history have we had a playing legend go on to become a successful manager? So is that the united way? No. The united way is for club legends to become ambassadors an uphold our traditions and values that way...

SAF always had the ideal of copying the bayern Munich model. But again where is their club legend straight to manager?

Who in the right mind would pick giggs over pep or Carlo or even klopp (imop te only three out there suitable or possible upgrade on LVG)

He is still young, he can serve another apprenticeship under Pep, then I might consider him
 
settembrini said:
Very few players are. The point is when United wanted a new manager in 86 they could have gone for Coppell. A nice guy with little experience but who had a huge connection with our club after having played the best part of 400 games for us (doesn't he still have the record for most consecutive appearances by a non-keeper?) Instead they went for Ferguson, an appointment based not on sentiment or romance but on his stellar track record in Scotland. At United Ferguson fulfilled the potential he had shown in his earlier jobs while Coppell has spent almost all his career in the lower leagues and won nothing. Imo United made the logical choice and reaped the rewards but reading this thread there seems to be quite a lot of people who would have preferred Coppell. I find that fascinating.
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I don't think you really understand this whole "romance" thing. Steve Coppell wasn't a United youth product, he wasn't nearly as good, he wasn't at the club for nearly as long and he didn't shag nearly as many women. He didn't win 2 European Cups, 13 Premier Leagues, 4 FA Cups, 3 League Cups and all that other stuff.


I think you nailed it with your first sentence though - "very few players are".
 
Sad Chris said:
Yeah, Bayern have had some really crap experience going down that lane.
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Their entire coaching stuff, and the CEO/director of football aren't ex-Bayern legends. The only high profile ex-Bayern player who still has power in Bayern is Rummenigge. Before there were Beckenbauer and Hoeness too, but Beckenbauer doesn't hold any power now and Hoeness is on jail.

Anyway, they are very experienced people. Beckenbauer for example won the world cup as manager before he took Bayern (as interim manager, not as manager) and then stepped down after the season ended (despite winning Bundesliga). Then he took it again two seasons later, won the UEFA cup and immediately stepped down. It was just a person who took Bayern in cases of emergency. I guess that those trophies made him president of Bayern later.
 
settembrini said:


Skip to 27:00 for Giggs and his staff deciding on their team for the game. It's a real tactical master class.
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Dont think we should put to much into that video. He just wanted to include the younger players and they had nothing to play for. Goggs himself didnt say anything "stupid" either
 
1) Giggs needs an experience with an other team, even if it's the U19 or the U21, he needs to test himself, adjust his managing skills, learn how to convey his thoughts to the players.
2) The players will only respect him if he seems to know what he is doing, if they trust his judgement, for that he will need (1).
3) If Giggs doesn't do (1) with an other team than our first team, we will be in transition, because he will learn and adjust his managing skills with the first team.
4) You can read the best book and still be unable to do execute what's in it.
5) It's the same for all coaches they are never on their own, there is always someone to help them, most of the time it's not enough.

For romantic reasons, I'm not against this idea but it's a completely daft and unreasonable idea.
 
How would we all react if Chelsea Liverpool or arsenal suddenly start grooming terry, gerrard or Henry for manager?
 
Revan said:
Were you upset then we weren't lead by Sir Bobby Charlton (instead of Sir Alex), and even bigger legend then Giggs but who was proven to be an awful manager?
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I think you mean Charlton instead of Docherty (the guy who we were relegated under). Stop comparing everything to Ferguson. He's one of a kind, we'll never see the likes of him again at this club.
 
Shamwow said:
The apt comparison there would be whether or not you would take Bobby Charlton over Tommy Docherty - I wouldn't have many issues with that assuming he was in a similar situation to Giggs (being groomed for the job) - I don't think he was though.
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Well, if it would be Giggs or Pulis/Allardyce, then get Giggs every day of the week. But Giggs vs Klopp or Pep or Ancelotti? It is not even a contest IMO.
 
Long Ball said:
How would we all react if Chelsea Liverpool or arsenal suddenly start grooming terry, gerrard or Henry for manager?
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Raised this point yesterday. I guess that we will be very happy (even more happy than when Chelsea got Benitez, or Liverpool got Dalglish the second time).

It is absolutely the same thing here. We are just hoping that Giggs may turn to be great, despite that the evidence is the other way around.
 
Shamwow said:
I don't think you really understand this whole "romance" thing. Steve Coppell wasn't a United youth product, he wasn't nearly as good, he wasn't at the club for nearly as long and he didn't shag nearly as many women. He didn't win 2 European Cups, 13 Premier Leagues, 4 FA Cups, 3 League Cups and all that other stuff.
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He would still have been the romantic and sentimental choice though wouldn't he? On the basis of his long career with us which was cruelly cut short by injury.

Thankfully we went with the manager who was good over the manager who had a connection with the club. The right decision, regardless of romance, I hope we do the same post Van Gaal.
 
Sarni said:
Still they needed Guardiola to come and transform the team before they became this good. Before his arrival they still had Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Eto'o and struggled a lot, no team could do well without good management.
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Not really!

Barca had won the European Cup two years before Pep arrived. Sure that Barca had gone a little stale under Rijkaard (only to the semi finals of the CL in his last season :wenger:) but Pep didn't drag them from adversity by a long shot. The core of his team was already there.
 
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