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one of Victor/Carlos/Marzolini
And IMO only Victor really cuts it as a defender who might snuff him out.
Ffs, not giving me any hopes
Cordoba > Gambetta anyways Where's Pantsil when I need him?
one of Victor/Carlos/Marzolini
And IMO only Victor really cuts it as a defender who might snuff him out.
Aye great. You can add them polls Chester?Re: quarter finals
We'll try out the new (or old) format: Results won't be visible before voting - and votes are final (no changing your mind). I'll add a standard phrase to the OPs, instructing voters to read the arguments properly before voting, etc.
Passarella has a clear edge on the remaining CB's in the pool. Personally I had him, Dinho, Garrincha and Ronaldo from the start. Obviously three of those bring something to the table that you can't replicate, while Dinho was kind of a personal favorite and choice.Aye - it's probably what I would've aimed for myself. Go for Passarella rather than 'Dinho, to put it like that - and with a bit of luck you've got a more or less clear edge (that people can't ignore) in the latter stages.
You can add them polls Chester?
Gambetta.
Paz not being picked was also a bit of a surprise for me. There are many in his position to compete with, granted, but being from pool 2 would've been a nice acquisition.
To be fair Córdoba has the physical attributes you'd want to face Garrincha.Ffs, not giving me any hopes
Cordoba > Gambetta anyways Where's Pantsil when I need him?
Am I the only one who doesn't rate him highly as a 'defender'?To be fair Córdoba has the physical attributes you'd want to face Garrincha.
Interesting. Where did you come across him? Cracking player, be it in his wingforward or support striker incarnations. I put our exit to Argentina in '86 down to our manager persisting in not playing him and leaving it all hanging on Enzo on a solo mission. He came on once we went down and it turned the game on its head, but it was a case of too little too late
One was my grandfather, who was in the Uruguayan FA. The other was a journalist that, still a student, cobbled together what is probably the best archive on the 1930 World Cup. I think they both missed 1934 (it was a full boycott after the Italians boycotted the one in Montevideo), but the journo went to all the World Cups from '38 until '86 (I think, don't think he made 1990). My grandad went to 30-50-54-62-66-70, 50-54 as FA, the others out of his own pocket (probably had some perks and good contacts for tickets, etc).
Jonigma vs EAP/Sjor up now.
Have Boris' WU, waiting for onenil's.
Got onenil's WU - will start the match as soon as the Tuppet-Patzzo match is over. We can't have 3 running at the same time.
And 4, possible?
So, while you guys wait, I'll do a bit of legwork for @Stobzilla as I doubt he can read Spanish at all.
Lorenzo Fernández, aka "El Patrón de la Cancha" (The Master of the Pitch) or, for anyone in Uruguay, Lorenzo. As with Obdulio, nobody will ask "Lorenzo Who?" or "Which Lorenzo?", to this day Lorenzo is Lorenzo Fernández, any other Lorenzo needs a surname. The Master of the Pitch isn't just a cool nickname, from 1930-1935 the Centenario Stadium, the largest in the world at the time, was referred to as "Lorenzo's Digs" for consistency.
A dockworker (longshoreman) by trade, he was strong and tough as nails even by the usual centre-half standards of those days. The Uruguayan team's masseusse once commented that giving him a massage was like trying to massage a lampost. Even after becoming an Olympic and World Champion he carried on working in the docks until 1932, when the professional era started.
Over the course of eight years, he won 5 Uruguayan titles with Peñarol, against a Nacional which actually had more key players in the NT but, cruciallly, not what was really called the "Iron Curtain": Peñarol's Silva-Fernández-Gestido midfield, with Andrade replacing Silva for the NT. He also won a Copa América and 4 out of 6 Lipton/Newton Cups (an yearly event with Uruguay and Argentina facing each other). Both him and Uruguay would have probably won more had the Argies not thrown their toys out of the pram after losing in 1930, deciding to pass on continental tournos until that generation was gone (1930-1935 ).
An indefatigable and courageous centre-half, Lorenzo also had a knack for scoring important goals, including the first one Peñarol scored in the professional era against their eternal rivals Nacional. With a key forward injured, he was once switched to inside left for a Copa América game and bagged a hat-trick. But it wasn't his goals but his competitiveness and sheer will to win which set him apart. He simply couldn't lose, at anything.
In the days before the World Cup, a bunch of players decided to have a game of volleyball with the loser paying for the afternoon biscuits for everyone. Lorenzo's teammates, Cea and Anselmo, decided to have a laugh and agreed they would throw the game. They just stood there, arms raised, going through the motions but not being much use. Lorenzo didn't give up, he was all over the place, ranting and raving at his partners who in turn kept commenting on what a poor game he was having. Once the game was inevitably lost, Lorenzo paid his dues, walked into his room at the training camp, packed his bags and left. At the door he came across the President of the Uruguayan FA, who asked him where he was going: "I'm going home. These guys can't even win a game of volleyball for the biscuits, no chance they can win a World Cup". He ranted on for half an hour with Mr. Narancio feeling he had been transported to a parallel universe of irrational behaviour, then run out of steam and Mr. Narancio managed to talk him back into the camp.
Another time in 1935, prior to the Copa America in Perú the players went to the dog races. A local tipster approached him and talked him into a bet, which Lorenzo won. Thrifty as he was, he banked half his winnings every turn and bet the other half, so he was well in the money after the tips proving good seven times in a row. It still didn't stop him chasing the tipster down the stand, over the fence, and around the racecourse, after the eighth tip went south.
Like Obdulio, he had a major influence in the dressing room. At half-time during the Final, with the scoreline 1-2 to the Argies, Lorenzo tells the players "If we lose this I'm going to kill each and every one of you", to which Nasazzi added "He kills you, and I bury you". Pedro Cea would later say he really would have been capable of doing it. Four years later the Italians would receive a similar threat, not from Fernández obviously, or Monti, but from Il Duce himself.
A familiar trait/pattern with such players
Again, like Obdulio (who organised the first player strike), Lorenzo was quite vocal about the rights of his fellow professionals. In an episode which very much reminds me of Keane's final days with us, he took on the Peñarol Board after they didn't pay their wages for a couple of months. Peñarol had lost the league in 1934 and there was talk of the end of an era with many players on their last legs. Lorenzo was at the tail end of his career, 35 and making up for it with his sheer bloody-mindedness. He took on the Peñarol Board publicly, with the support of players and the fans who idolised him, in a tirade not too different to Keane's reference to prawn sandwich brigades and people who know nothing about footballl interfering with it.
A newspaper owned by the deposed previous Peñarol President latched onto it and kept adding fuel to the fire and a General Assembly was called. A few weeks prior the Peñarol Board paid up the wages, so when the Assembly came the players weren't that bothered any more but Lorenzo tore into each and every one of the Board members. Finding no backing from his fellow professionals, he tore into them as well, callling them spineless and saying it was no wonder they had lost the title...
It was so shocking that no one was surprised when he got suspended indefinitely without pay. The opposition media carried on with their political agenda and kept putting pressure on the Board calling for another Assembly for the club members to decide who stayed: the Board or Fernández. In the meantime, a crucial event: Peñarol started winning and regained the top of the table, became champions by the time the Assembly came... and fans being a fickle bunch they supported the Board, who sacked Lorenzo the next day.
It's interesting that all the way back in the 30s, the post mortem of the case (written by my grandad, a Nacional fan so quite happy to stick it in ) was: "Football players... We build them up to be superhumans above us mere mortals, it gets to their head, and they forget how vulnerable they are to the fickle nature of fans and the greater political nous of their masters. Here lies Lorenzo Fernández, his reputation in tatters for displaying the same pig-headedness that always served him so well in a different arena". Some things never change.
I already sent it to Chester.Got our write up ready to go so just let me know who to send it to and we can get started...
You don't need to cover every single player in your starting XI/squad, though. I just did that as it became a habit for me. The well-known players in your team don't really need much of an introduction anyways.I haven't done any player profiles, I guess I probably should.
Ah OK. Yeah, this is my first time playing, not really up to speed with all the ins and outs of protocol.You don't need to cover every single player in your starting XI/squad, though. I just did that as it became a habit for me. The well-known players in your team don't really need much of an introduction anyways.
The players that you need to cover, however, are the ones who are not so well known, like what Tuppet did with Scarone. If you make good player profiles for the unknown players, they will become better appreciated and possibly used more often in future drafts.
You don't need to cover every single player in your starting XI/squad, though.
I think I will do player profiles on Maspoli, Mascheroni and Ortiz, then.What's this? Putting together player profiles is where the fun is!
Drafting > Teamsheets > Player profiles > Gamethreads
Well, of course it's lots of fun. I enjoy it myself, especially when I get to watch historical match footage and great players play against each other.What's this? Putting together player profiles is where the fun is!
Drafting > Teamsheets > Player profiles > Gamethreads
Yes, for sure! We need to do that at some point. The time zones could become a potential issue, but if we negotiate the time properly, it should be pretty good.The drafting is fun , still would love to take it a step further and do a Skype call with 2/3 hours to pick all your players. Would be a good laugh too.
No, no, no! Keep going!Hugo Sanchez is one of my favourite players. A truly great 9. His goalscoring record at Real was immense. Maybe I shouldn't be bigging up my opponent though
No, no, no! Keep going!