The Americas Draft

If you look at Uruguay 1930, there are no traditional side-backs so we could assume he was able to play the role of a right-back when necessary.

On the other hand, he is also known for his dribbling skills & has to be considered as a midfielder in the sense that he played in a semi-side position, had a role to stop both inside-forward and out-side forward of opponent side and support offensive game primarily in central area.
 
Here's the video, I believe, unfortunately I don't think it is available anymore.

Yeah, he was so shit France Football consider him the 10th Best Player in World Cup History based on performances at WCs between 1930 and 1990.

These are the same people who have been dishing out Ballon d'Ors since 1956, the same award all amnagers in this draft keep highlighting in some cases even if their player was runner-up on it one year. This is 10th Best Ever at World Cups not the best of the bunch in one season. A defender, 10th best. It's quite a feat, eh?

I had made a longer clip but it keeps getting blocked by FIFA copyright but somehow this section seems to have gone through, at least for now:


This is with the game at 2-1 to Argentina and the man he has come across to intercept was the top scorer at that World Cup.
 
Based on all of this , seems like he's just the perfect midfielder
 
Yeah he seems like a b2b midfielder in either a 3 or a diamond 4 to me. That is only from listening to your debates though. And as for an equal to any right back you could find in this pool that really does seem miles off. There are some excellent full backs in this pool so to put someone up there with them that is being widely regarded as questionable if he could play there is madness.
 
@BorisDeLeFora

Sorry mate, but it's precisely the arrow to the centre I have a fundamental problem with. He wasn't a holding midfielder. Outside halfbacks were either the same as fullbacks when they had no attacking game or more like modern wingbacks/wide midfielders when they did (a diamond would really suit them actually). The difference in roles is significant.

Think about it, the oppo also played five forwards:

------------Inside Right--------------Inside left
Outside right------------Centreforward-----------Outside left

vs

-----Left-half----------Centre-half----------Right-half
--------------Fullback--------------Fullback

Now, the fullbacks will naturally pick the centreforward and you want one spare for cover. The left-half's detail clearly is the right winger and the right-half's the left winger, while keeping an eye on the space between CF and Outside R/L, which was bound to be attacked by the Inside Forwards. When the play is on the opposite wing they will tuck in and be more mindful of the inside forward than the winger (typically somewhere in between to have time to react either way). That's almost to a T what a fullbacks' defensive job is today.

Now the centrehalf is a completely different player and more akin to the modern DM type you are looking for. The cover requirements at the back mean he is technically outnumbered here: there's no No.10 man-marking mission like a Makelele would do but instead he has to pick up the inside forward closest to the action, keep the shape and if he gets the ball shepherd him into a cul-de-sac out wide or, even better, disposses him.

It's a completely different job, the space to cover, the positional awareness required, it's all completely different and you would know it from seeing the countless experimental midfield arrangements we've had over the last few years. Phil Jones anyone? He makes a decent fullback but is all over the shop when played as a central DM.

I do think Andrade had the requisite awareness, but he is completely unproven in the lone central role and in an all-time draft where anyone can be picked that's fecking criminal, particularly when the other two stellar midfielders clearly called for a holding one so they could have greater freedom to do all the damage. You didn't need Andrade's damage. If you want the best out of him you want him as a wide midfielder, but then you are paying a disservice to one or both of the others (which is where I disagree with @Chesterlestreet, as he says, Matthäus is a complete midfielder who can do almost anything so I'd rather sacrifice him a bit asking him to contribute defensively to release Didí from a duty he was notoriously averse to, Zito performed a level of heavy-lifting Andrade is unlikely to provide here).

Unless you got a horrendous draw, you should be fine anyway. It's not exactly a disaster, it just means getting a bit less than the sum of parts in what is a very strong unit anyway.
 
I brought him up in the 'players who can play both fullbacks and CM' thread and that's really my final view on him. Everyone will have a different interpretation of what his best position in a modern formation is but either of those two and I won't be worried about it, pretty much with someone like Breitner. He was arguably a greater player than anyone who was named in that thread and hearing about his all round skillset that make him such a complete and allround player, small differences in position shouldn't really matter much. RB/RWB/RM/RCM.. all are cool with me. Only questions could arise if he's given a completely one sided role e.g. a defensive fullback like Thuram which would be wasting his much talked about attacking skills, etc.
 
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Skizzo/Pat 1. Ronaldo 2. L. Junior 3. Joya 4. Bochini 5. D. Pereyra
Enigma/Joga 1. Garrincha 2. Zanetti 3. Godin 4. Zito 5. Ruben Sosa
oneniltothearsenal 1. Zico 2. D. Da Guia 3. Socrates 4. Leonel Sánchez 5. Eyzaguirre
Tuppet 1. Romario 2. Monti 3. V. Andrade 4. Perfumo 5. Hector Scarone
Aldo 1. Passarella 2. R. Carlos 3. Francescoli 4. Ruggeri 5. Mascherano
EAP/Sjor 1. D. Santos 2. O. Varela 3. Neymar 4. I. Cordoba 5. P. Rocha
Physio 1. Chumpitaz 2. Cubillas 3. Valderrama 4. Julinho 5. G. Delgado
Gio 1. Ronaldinho 2. Nasazzi 3. Erico 4. Zizinho 5. Pedernera
Maz/Mar/R 1. Didi 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Marzolini 4. Néstor Gonçalves 5. C. Gamarra
MounchesterUtd 1. Chilavert 2. Rivelino 3. Vidal 4. Kaka 5. W. Samuel 6. Zamorano
DavidG 1. Cafu 2. Rivaldo 3. T. Silva 4. Aldair 5. Clodoaldo 6. Julio Cesar Romero
Raees 1. P.R. Falcao 2. Jairzinho 3. J.M. Moreno 4. P. Montero 5. R. Ayala 6. A.Recoba
Boris 1. Schiaffino 2. J.L. Andrade 3. Gerson 4. Spencer 5. J. Melendez 6. N. Rossi
Mciahel Goodman 1. C. Alberto 2. G. Batistuta 3. Lucio 4. Dunga 5. O. Ardilles 6. Riquelme
Jayvin 1. Redondo 2. L. Suarez 3. Sivori 4. Cueto 5. R. Marquez 6. Maicon
P-Nut/Downcast 1. N. Santos 2. Santamaría 3. D. Alves 4. Alexis Sánchez 5. Cerezo 6. Luis Pereira

@mazhar13 @Marty1968 @RedTiger
 
Based on all of this , seems like he's just the perfect midfielder

Yeah, always a part of mythology. If you read all the quotes about Steven Gerrard, you should know the perfect midfielder is Stevie :D
 
Yeah, always a part of mythology. If you read all the quotes about Steven Gerrard, you should know the perfect midfielder is Stevie :D
Its not just quotes though, unlike Stevie Me he has 3 world titles (2 olympics which are recognized as de facto world cups by FIFA and an actual world cup) while being a star in them.
 
Its not just quotes though, unlike Stevie Me he has 3 world titles (2 olympics which are recognized as de facto world cups by FIFA and an actual world cup) while being a star in them.

I'm not sceptical about his talent or credentials :)
 
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Skizzo/Pat 1. Ronaldo 2. L. Junior 3. Joya 4. Bochini 5. D. Pereyra
Enigma/Joga 1. Garrincha 2. Zanetti 3. Godin 4. Zito 5. Ruben Sosa
oneniltothearsenal 1. Zico 2. D. Da Guia 3. Socrates 4. Leonel Sánchez 5. Eyzaguirre
Tuppet 1. Romario 2. Monti 3. V. Andrade 4. Perfumo 5. Hector Scarone
Aldo 1. Passarella 2. R. Carlos 3. Francescoli 4. Ruggeri 5. Mascherano
EAP/Sjor 1. D. Santos 2. O. Varela 3. Neymar 4. I. Cordoba 5. P. Rocha
Physio 1. Chumpitaz 2. Cubillas 3. Valderrama 4. Julinho 5. G. Delgado
Gio 1. Ronaldinho 2. Nasazzi 3. Erico 4. Zizinho 5. Pedernera
Maz/Mar/R 1. Didi 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Marzolini 4. Néstor Gonçalves 5. C. Gamarra 6. Ghiggia
MounchesterUtd 1. Chilavert 2. Rivelino 3. Vidal 4. Kaka 5. W. Samuel 6. Zamorano
DavidG 1. Cafu 2. Rivaldo 3. T. Silva 4. Aldair 5. Clodoaldo 6. Julio Cesar Romero
Raees 1. P.R. Falcao 2. Jairzinho 3. J.M. Moreno 4. P. Montero 5. R. Ayala 6. A.Recoba
Boris 1. Schiaffino 2. J.L. Andrade 3. Gerson 4. Spencer 5. J. Melendez 6. N. Rossi
Mciahel Goodman 1. C. Alberto 2. G. Batistuta 3. Lucio 4. Dunga 5. O. Ardilles 6. Riquelme
Jayvin 1. Redondo 2. L. Suarez 3. Sivori 4. Cueto 5. R. Marquez 6. Maicon
P-Nut/Downcast 1. N. Santos 2. Santamaría 3. D. Alves 4. Alexis Sánchez 5. Cerezo 6. Luis Pereira

@Gio
 
I hope the managers will present the players we don't know very well.
 
Aye, true. Plus, he isn't a striker-fullback hybrid who is also - potentially - one of the best goal keepers in history.
 
There are some really obscure players on here but it should be good reading up on some of them. What sites do most of you use to do the research though. Typing there name into Google usually returns sweet fa
 
I've wanted to pick him on several occasions myself, but the setting has never been quite right.

Clearly not a flawless player - but just as clearly a very talented one. Will be interesting to see precisely how you end up using him.

Not going to beat around the bush, most likely out wide but with freedom to cut in. Such a talented player and hope he will get some recognition.
 
I feel like a member of the caf draft squad may have embellished Julio Cesar romeros stats somewhat . He's a creative midfielder who apparently got 467 goals in his career...
 
Not going to beat around the bush, most likely out wide but with freedom to cut in. Such a talented player and hope he will get some recognition.

The talent is unquestionable , the application of it on a consistent basis however ....
 
The talent is unquestionable , the application of it on a consistent basis however ....

Yep, well the plan is to convince everyone that the rest of my side is strong enough regardless if the maverick is having an off day.

 
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I can take it and this time my phone isn't dying
 
Time to anchor this ship before it topples over


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Skizzo/Pat 1. Ronaldo 2. L. Junior 3. Joya 4. Bochini 5. D. Pereyra
Enigma/Joga 1. Garrincha 2. Zanetti 3. Godin 4. Zito 5. Ruben Sosa
oneniltothearsenal 1. Zico 2. D. Da Guia 3. Socrates 4. Leonel Sánchez 5. Eyzaguirre
Tuppet 1. Romario 2. Monti 3. V. Andrade 4. Perfumo 5. Hector Scarone
Aldo 1. Passarella 2. R. Carlos 3. Francescoli 4. Ruggeri 5. Mascherano
EAP/Sjor 1. D. Santos 2. O. Varela 3. Neymar 4. I. Cordoba 5. P. Rocha
Physio 1. Chumpitaz 2. Cubillas 3. Valderrama 4. Julinho 5. G. Delgado
Gio 1. Ronaldinho 2. Nasazzi 3. Erico 4. Zizinho 5. Pedernera 6. Mauro Silva
Maz/Mar/R 1. Didi 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Marzolini 4. Néstor Gonçalves 5. C. Gamarra 6. Ghiggia
MounchesterUtd 1. Chilavert 2. Rivelino 3. Vidal 4. Kaka 5. W. Samuel 6. Zamorano
DavidG 1. Cafu 2. Rivaldo 3. T. Silva 4. Aldair 5. Clodoaldo 6. Julio Cesar Romero
Raees 1. P.R. Falcao 2. Jairzinho 3. J.M. Moreno 4. P. Montero 5. R. Ayala 6. A.Recoba
Boris 1. Schiaffino 2. J.L. Andrade 3. Gerson 4. Spencer 5. J. Melendez 6. N. Rossi
Mciahel Goodman 1. C. Alberto 2. G. Batistuta 3. Lucio 4. Dunga 5. O. Ardilles 6. Riquelme
Jayvin 1. Redondo 2. L. Suarez 3. Sivori 4. Cueto 5. R. Marquez 6. Maicon
P-Nut/Downcast 1. N. Santos 2. Santamaría 3. D. Alves 4. Alexis Sánchez 5. Cerezo 6. Luis Pereira

@Physiocrat
 
Skizzo/Pat 1. Ronaldo 2. L. Junior 3. Joya 4. Bochini 5. D. Pereyra
Enigma/Joga 1. Garrincha 2. Zanetti 3. Godin 4. Zito 5. Ruben Sosa
oneniltothearsenal 1. Zico 2. D. Da Guia 3. Socrates 4. Leonel Sánchez 5. Eyzaguirre
Tuppet 1. Romario 2. Monti 3. V. Andrade 4. Perfumo 5. Hector Scarone
Aldo 1. Passarella 2. R. Carlos 3. Francescoli 4. Ruggeri 5. Mascherano
EAP/Sjor 1. D. Santos 2. O. Varela 3. Neymar 4. I. Cordoba 5. P. Rocha
Physio 1. Chumpitaz 2. Cubillas 3. Valderrama 4. Julinho 5. G. Delgado 6. Simeone
Gio 1. Ronaldinho 2. Nasazzi 3. Erico 4. Zizinho 5. Pedernera 6. Mauro Silva
Maz/Mar/R 1. Didi 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Marzolini 4. Néstor Gonçalves 5. C. Gamarra 6. Ghiggia
MounchesterUtd 1. Chilavert 2. Rivelino 3. Vidal 4. Kaka 5. W. Samuel 6. Zamorano
DavidG 1. Cafu 2. Rivaldo 3. T. Silva 4. Aldair 5. Clodoaldo 6. Julio Cesar Romero
Raees 1. P.R. Falcao 2. Jairzinho 3. J.M. Moreno 4. P. Montero 5. R. Ayala 6. A.Recoba
Boris 1. Schiaffino 2. J.L. Andrade 3. Gerson 4. Spencer 5. J. Melendez 6. N. Rossi
Mciahel Goodman 1. C. Alberto 2. G. Batistuta 3. Lucio 4. Dunga 5. O. Ardilles 6. Riquelme
Jayvin 1. Redondo 2. L. Suarez 3. Sivori 4. Cueto 5. R. Marquez 6. Maicon
P-Nut/Downcast 1. N. Santos 2. Santamaría 3. D. Alves 4. Alexis Sánchez 5. Cerezo 6. Luis Pereira
 
Skizzo/Pat 1. Ronaldo 2. L. Junior 3. Joya 4. Bochini 5. D. Pereyra
Enigma/Joga 1. Garrincha 2. Zanetti 3. Godin 4. Zito 5. Ruben Sosa
oneniltothearsenal 1. Zico 2. D. Da Guia 3. Socrates 4. Leonel Sánchez 5. Eyzaguirre
Tuppet 1. Romario 2. Monti 3. V. Andrade 4. Perfumo 5. Hector Scarone
Aldo 1. Passarella 2. R. Carlos 3. Francescoli 4. Ruggeri 5. Mascherano
EAP/Sjor 1. D. Santos 2. O. Varela 3. Neymar 4. I. Cordoba 5. P. Rocha 6. Tostao
Physio 1. Chumpitaz 2. Cubillas 3. Valderrama 4. Julinho 5. G. Delgado 6. Simeone
Gio 1. Ronaldinho 2. Nasazzi 3. Erico 4. Zizinho 5. Pedernera 6. Mauro Silva
Maz/Mar/R 1. Didi 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Marzolini 4. Néstor Gonçalves 5. C. Gamarra 6. Ghiggia
MounchesterUtd 1. Chilavert 2. Rivelino 3. Vidal 4. Kaka 5. W. Samuel 6. Zamorano
DavidG 1. Cafu 2. Rivaldo 3. T. Silva 4. Aldair 5. Clodoaldo 6. Julio Cesar Romero
Raees 1. P.R. Falcao 2. Jairzinho 3. J.M. Moreno 4. P. Montero 5. R. Ayala 6. A.Recoba
Boris 1. Schiaffino 2. J.L. Andrade 3. Gerson 4. Spencer 5. J. Melendez 6. N. Rossi
Mciahel Goodman 1. C. Alberto 2. G. Batistuta 3. Lucio 4. Dunga 5. O. Ardilles 6. Riquelme
Jayvin 1. Redondo 2. L. Suarez 3. Sivori 4. Cueto 5. R. Marquez 6. Maicon
P-Nut/Downcast 1. N. Santos 2. Santamaría 3. D. Alves 4. Alexis Sánchez 5. Cerezo 6. Luis Pereira

@Aldo
 
El Magia Negra
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Leônidas Da Silva

Jerry Wienstein: "He was as fast as a greyhound, as agile as a cat, and seemed not to be made of flesh and bones at all, but entirely of rubber. He was tireless in pursuit of the ball, fearless, and constantly on the move. He never conceded defeat. He shot from any angle and any position, and compensated for his small height with exceptionally supple, unbelievable contortions, and impossible acrobatics."

Regarded as the creator of the bicycle kick, he scored 516 league goals in 574 games.

Honours
 
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Skizzo/Pat 1. Ronaldo 2. L. Junior 3. Joya 4. Bochini 5. D. Pereyra
Enigma/Joga 1. Garrincha 2. Zanetti 3. Godin 4. Zito 5. Ruben Sosa
oneniltothearsenal 1. Zico 2. D. Da Guia 3. Socrates 4. Leonel Sánchez 5. Eyzaguirre
Tuppet 1. Romario 2. Monti 3. V. Andrade 4. Perfumo 5. Hector Scarone
Aldo 1. Passarella 2. R. Carlos 3. Francescoli 4. Ruggeri 5. Mascherano 6. Leônidas
EAP/Sjor 1. D. Santos 2. O. Varela 3. Neymar 4. I. Cordoba 5. P. Rocha 6. Tostao
Physio 1. Chumpitaz 2. Cubillas 3. Valderrama 4. Julinho 5. G. Delgado 6. Simeone
Gio 1. Ronaldinho 2. Nasazzi 3. Erico 4. Zizinho 5. Pedernera 6. Mauro Silva
Maz/Mar/R 1. Didi 2. Hugo Sanchez 3. Marzolini 4. Néstor Gonçalves 5. C. Gamarra 6. Ghiggia
MounchesterUtd 1. Chilavert 2. Rivelino 3. Vidal 4. Kaka 5. W. Samuel 6. Zamorano
DavidG 1. Cafu 2. Rivaldo 3. T. Silva 4. Aldair 5. Clodoaldo 6. Julio Cesar Romero
Raees 1. P.R. Falcao 2. Jairzinho 3. J.M. Moreno 4. P. Montero 5. R. Ayala 6. A.Recoba
Boris 1. Schiaffino 2. J.L. Andrade 3. Gerson 4. Spencer 5. J. Melendez 6. N. Rossi
Mciahel Goodman 1. C. Alberto 2. G. Batistuta 3. Lucio 4. Dunga 5. O. Ardilles 6. Riquelme
Jayvin 1. Redondo 2. L. Suarez 3. Sivori 4. Cueto 5. R. Marquez 6. Maicon
P-Nut/Downcast 1. N. Santos 2. Santamaría 3. D. Alves 4. Alexis Sánchez 5. Cerezo 6. Luis Pereira

@Tuppet
 
When asked by the press how Uruguay had managed to run rings around their opponents, the country’s right half, José Leandro Andrade, who would die penniless and alcoholic, stated that the team practised by trying to catch chickens.
:lol:
Modern training techniques