Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown

Yes. Lets sell O'Shea. In fact lets sell all our squad members who don't complain about first team football and yet do a great job when called upon.

Who needs those. Sell 'em all and buy Sneijder, Hamsik & Pastore. If someone gets injured, I bet they can depute as RB, LB, CB, CM, Striker and Goalie.

SAF keeps repeating its a squad game and yet people think its about headline signings.
 
Sharky7 said:
12m for a 30yr old O'Shea :eek::eek:
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Yep. He's a rock solid, experienced defender who can play anywhere across the back-line and he should be able to play on at the top level for at least another 4 years.

12m isn't too much to ask for that sort of player.
 
championo said:
You are all laughing at me, but I am dead serious. I mean look at the prices teams are paying for English talent? They are in demand right now.
These players have won multiple championships, they know and have the winning mentality, having them in your dressing room is a bonus. They will bring a professional atmosphere about them to you team. Something money can't buy. All I am asking for is a fair compensation.
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I want some of what this dude is smoking.
 
Eyepopper said:
How about being our first choice RB in a double winning season?

If I were Wenger I'd stick in a cheeky bid, Brown is actually a good defender, and having missed Jones he'd be a decent, experienced and cheap option.
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I'm not belittling what Brown has won in his career at United, and at one point, he was a highly underrated player - actually a player who was rated more highly by his fellow pros than by the press.

That said, he's played rarely for United since that double win, and to say that he was worth £7m at least is ludicrous, in my view, simply because he's over thirty and he spends a lot of time out injured. That doesn't mean he's not worth a punt, but it does mean that a fee over around £1-2m is excessive.
 
De Selby said:
Yep. He's a rock solid, experienced defender who can play anywhere across the back-line and he should be able to play on at the top level for at least another 4 years.

12m isn't too much to ask for that sort of player.
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erm, it really is. We sold Ruud for around that figure.

And we're about to buy an extremely highly rated 19 yr old who is wanted by all the top clubs for just 3m more than that. Get a sense of reality.
 
To be perfectly honest on the wages Brown is on (believed to be close to £55k/w) Fergie would probably let him go for a nominal fee, Sunderland are probably thinking:

£1m Brown
£5-6m Gibson
£7-8m O'Shea

Total £13-15m
 
I'd accept the offer for Gibson and Brown but not for O'shea, he's far too versatile.
Where can you get someone who can play pretty much anywhere and still do a decent job for you?
 
Rood said:
are you sure?

I remember there was talk of it but Im seeing various people saying it was never confirmed and that the club decided to wait until end of season.

But it seems to be 100% right that Gibson and Brown were going into last year of contract anyway.
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Not sure, no. Because there has been too many papers/sites claiming different stories. Some saying he signed it, others saying he was offered - but left it at that.
 
Sultan said:
Brown, and Gibson in their final years of contract, and Brown on around 80k a week the low fee makes sense as Sunderland would have to pick up Brown's massive salary. I don't see O'Shea moving, he's on a massive salary at United and would be a massive surprise if Sunderland matched his salary, and he accepted the move.
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didn't realize Gibbo is also on his final year of contract. Now that 12 million bid seems realistic. we could sanction it sans O'shea and reduction in fee.
 
Tee hee

'The Bramble and Brown Pairing. fecking hell, theres gonna be some head in hands moments.

And with N`gog providing similar at the other end, I predict a lot of sore
heads at the SoL next season'
 
Interval Level said:
Yes. Lets sell O'Shea. In fact lets sell all our squad members who don't complain about first team football and yet do a great job when called upon.

Who needs those. Sell 'em all and buy Sneijder, Hamsik & Pastore. If someone gets injured, I bet they can depute as RB, LB, CB, CM, Striker and Goalie.

SAF keeps repeating its a squad game and yet people think its about headline signings.
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I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
 
alastair said:
I'm not belittling what Brown has won in his career at United, and at one point, he was a highly underrated player - actually a player who was rated more highly by his fellow pros than by the press.

That said, he's played rarely for United since that double win, and to say that he was worth £7m at least is ludicrous, in my view, simply because he's over thirty and he spends a lot of time out injured. That doesn't mean he's not worth a punt, but it does mean that a fee over around £1-2m is excessive.
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He's not worth 12m, anyone realistically suggesting that is an idiot. 2m would be a decent punt though IMO.
 
Have just heard the news, £12million for all 3? I'd want £15million atleast I think.
 
Skywarden said:
Not sure, no. Because there has been too many papers/sites claiming different stories. Some saying he signed it, others saying he was offered - but left it at that.
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My current assumption is that all 3 players were in last year of their contract - i have seen nothing about OShea which officially confirms otherwise.

In which case £12m is a good deal for us.
 
12 Million for Gibbo and Brown, yes please.

For O'Shea as well? No thank you! We should definitely keep him I think
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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:lol: Yes O'Shea is behind Giggs and Fletcher at fullback
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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Yet he still notched up 20 league appearances last year, and 32 in total (despite an injury lay off), so he is contributing to the squad.

He'd start before Fletch at RB every day of the week.

Fabio & Rafael, while excellent prospects, have picked up their fair share of knocks and are probably likely to pick up their fair share of suspensions, so at this stage I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with them as 1st & 2nd choice in any position without a suitable 3rd choice.
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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And yet he played in how many games last season?

Or the season before that?

Squad players are mighty useful. Plus, your theory of Giggs, Fletcher & Rafael(As a left back) ahead of him at full back is just not right.

If anything, could you imagine the benefit of a player with the ability to play multitude of positions on the bench? Flexibility and all that...
 
What's going on here then? Transfer deadline day came early. Brown, as sad as it is to see it, has run his course with us and i have no problem with him going as it'd be good for him.

Gibson i still think we should keep for another season to see how he does, if anything loan him out. I don't know why we'd sell O'Shea when he's still so useful, decent cover all over the pitch.
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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:lol: Silly season really is upon us.
 
Sharky7 said:
erm, it really is. We sold Ruud for around that figure.

And we're about to buy an extremely highly rated 19 yr old who is wanted by all the top clubs for just 3m more than that. Get a sense of reality.
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Why is asking £10m+ for an established, experienced and versatile player who you know won't let your side down and will play for at least another 4-6 years seen as exorbitant?
 
:lol: Its as if Bruce only follows United and hasn't a clue any other players exisit
 
Can't imagine we'll accept. Just like how Sunderland did with Henderson, I'd expect us to decline their first offer and wait for them to raise the bid. Assuming this is indeed their first.

Will be sad to see Sheasy go, really likeable character who seems to be great for morale within the team.
 
£12 million for 3 squad players, two of them over the age of 30 is not bad.

Brown has hardly played, and when he has he's been mediocre this season.

Gibson is better than people give him credit for but at 24 he should be doing more to show he's a United player.

O'Shea is worth more to United than his actual transfer value as someone who comes in and goes out without complaint and plays anywhere, but if there is younger and higher quality cover in those positions it may be time to move on.
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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:lol:
 
feck that.

The more I here about this, the more worried I am.

Our squad couldn't cope with losing those three players, Neville, VDS, Hargreaves and Scholes at once.
 
Number7 said:
:lol: Its as if Bruce only follows United and hasn't a clue any other players exisit
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To be fair, he could do a lot worse than getting Oshea and Brown.
I'm not so sure Gibson would improve them though.
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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You being serious?

If Rafael gets a long term injury, and then Evra gets a three game ban, we'd be massively struggling.

Chelsea sold Deco, Beletti, J.Cole and Ballack last year. Massive mistake. If they had those four last year, they'd be champions right now.

We NEED O'Shea to win titles. We need players of his quality.
 
I'd bite their hands off for £4m a piece for these three. Another £10m for Evans to go somewhere and we're sorted. Don't forget Jones can play anywhere across the back and midfield, effectively doing O'Sheas job. Brown, even with Neville gone, I dunno, just isn't used at all. Gibson is Gibson....
 
Top said:
To be fair, he could do a lot worse than getting Oshea and Brown.
I'm not so sure Gibson would improve them though.
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I don't think Gibson is a thousand miles away from Henderson. Hendersons better but there's not much in it and they're both young so it's not unreasonable to think Gibson will go on to have a better career.
 
De Selby said:
Why is asking £10m+ for an established, experienced and versatile player who you know won't let your side down and will play for at least another 4-6 years seen as exorbitant?
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Because he is 30 and has a year left on his contract.
 
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