No way Wellbeck will be going. I hope O'Shea stays. But even if they get Brown and Gibbo, it will be very good for them.
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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Well unfortunately for us. He plays for United Maybe if he had a season at Sunderland they could sell him for £12m. That's how it works I'm afraid.
I think Sheasy was more than good enough for us.
I'd have held on to him.
Same here. Maybe Fergie thinks that in Rafael (RB), Evra (LB) Evans LB, Jones (?) and Fabio (LB & RB) he has adequate cover for full back position..
Also last season Smalling came on and played at RB in a couple of games - maybe.
Not to mention that Jones alone most probably was fully fit for more time last season than Brown, Neville and maybe O Shea combined together
A helluva lot more than N'Gog.
Kicked off by Marlon Harewood's head?
Are you thinking of Fabio getting kicked in the head against Rangers to win a penalty?
Crikey.
Brown and Gibson fair enough, but I'd be gutted to see O'Shea move.
Brown and Gibson fair enough, but I'd be gutted to see O'Shea move.
Don't forget that Brown and O'Shea will be on huge wages by now, especially O'Shea. £4m for each sounds fair to me.
Gibson - 6m
Brown - 6m
O'Shea - 6m
Having said that if Henderson is worth 20m why's Gibson not worth the same?
Brown - 6m
O'Shea - 6m
Having said that if Henderson is worth 20m why's Gibson not worth the same?
argh
do not want players leaving
do not want players leaving
I think he would probably quite happily stay, but will he really get games? He is probably 3rd or 4th choice at both RB and LB, and probably about 6th choice CM and is no spring chicken.
My main concern would be that it's a lot of experience going in one fell swoop, especially considering the 3 retirements we've just had. Also they are all youth team products and very loyal to us.
Team spirit has been so strong, and that is partly because we have players like these who don't complain and sit on the bench and pad out our squad while being tremendously loyal.
But the ages of O'Shea and Brown must make it tempting to move them on. Gibson I'd be more reluctant to sell as he has so much more to give but we do have some very talented midfield youngsters who could take Gibson's squad place - Cleverley is coming back after all and we have the young 3 who we are all excited about.
I'm pretty conflicted with it. I can see the pros and cons.
Why on earth is everyone saying it makes NO sense to sell O'Shea? are half of these not the same posters who said "it makes no sense to sign Jones earlier"?
If a 30 yr old O'Shea goes along with 2 fringe players and he is replaced by a quality young lad like Jones for almost plus minus 0... is that not a f-ing fantastic deal?
Earlier today it would've made "no sense", now it makes every sense.
If a 30 yr old O'Shea goes along with 2 fringe players and he is replaced by a quality young lad like Jones for almost plus minus 0... is that not a f-ing fantastic deal?
Earlier today it would've made "no sense", now it makes every sense.
If you say so. He isn't worth anything over £5 million, IMO.
Suprising to see OShea. I guess it will be Rafael at right back, Evra at left back. With Fabio covering both, Evans can cover left back and Jones at right back by the sounds of it. Leaves a little short with natural fullbacks.
Brown I'd love to stay but think he has had it and Gibbo may go on to do well for Sunderland just don't think either are at our level. OShea is a shock, think he offers alot of versatility and still has something to offer.
£2m for Brown, £6 for Gibson and £4m for OShea. I'd of thought £15m would be a fairer price.
Brown I'd love to stay but think he has had it and Gibbo may go on to do well for Sunderland just don't think either are at our level. OShea is a shock, think he offers alot of versatility and still has something to offer.
£2m for Brown, £6 for Gibson and £4m for OShea. I'd of thought £15m would be a fairer price.
£6M for Brown? 
10 million at least, on potential.
Id take a good price for O'Shea myself, hes such a limited player a bid of over 6 million would be good business.
Something like that. Might swap the O'Shea/Gibson valuations.
But meh, arguing about transfer fees is incredibly muppety. All that matters is whether our squad is strengthened at the end of the summer and by how much. Brown and Gibson will be no great loss (Brown was atrocious last season and Gibson moving on makes it even more likely we'll get in a top class CM) and Phil Jones sounds like he could well be an upgrade on O 'Shea.
So it's all good really.
I can't imagine Sheasy in different shirt than United.
Simply no way.
Simply no way.
If O'Shea goes... well, in Fergie we trust, don't we?
If he goes, it'll be sad, there's no doubt about that, but I'd be happy for Evans. He's really a good player, against Chelsea showed us he can play as a left-back very well, he's also good enough as right-back. I think he may become a new O'Shea in our team (especially if we sign Jones).
I like him and if it's a chance for him to play more, I'm happy.
Don't want Gibson to go, though.
If he goes, it'll be sad, there's no doubt about that, but I'd be happy for Evans. He's really a good player, against Chelsea showed us he can play as a left-back very well, he's also good enough as right-back. I think he may become a new O'Shea in our team (especially if we sign Jones).
I like him and if it's a chance for him to play more, I'm happy.
Don't want Gibson to go, though.
Gibson has a very good long range shot, if he played regularly he'd get more goals than most strikers outside the top 6. I wouldn't sell him for £5m. £9m+ would be my valuation of him.
The guy who gets ripped to bits by a fair section of our fan base every time he steps on the pitch is now worth £10 million?
I disagree.
I agree with this, looking at the perspective of things.
O Shea? Hell no. Brown, if he wants to stay, I would quite like him here. Gibson however, I wouldn't say no if the money is right.
No.
Are you mad? More like 6-8m tops.
Free up squad places for new signings?
Plus Gibson and Brown, albeit sadly, are less likely to feature as first team players.
Shame to see an exodus of homegrown talent all going in one season - Neville, Scholes, Brown, Gibson and O'Shea would be a sad day indeed, joking aside.
Agree with all that.
BTW does anyone know how long these 3 have left on their contracts? Are any going into their last year?
Anyone else think Jonny Evans could be the other player they are after? especially considering our movement for Jones.
In total agreement Pogue. A younger upgrade it is and as you said, the other 2 would not be any great loss.
Central Midfielders if Gibbo leaves:
Giggs
Carrick
Anderson
Fletcher
In this case you can bet your life on SAF signing a CM.
Buy 2 get 1 free.
Yes.
This is a very childish game, do you have an actual argument for this opinion of yours?
Sunderland Bid For Wes, Gibson and O’Shea
Sunderland have put in bids for Wes Brown, Darron Gibson and John O’Shea.
The reported figure is £12m and there is some indication that it has been accepted.
Wes Brown called the manager a “cnut” during the pre-season last summer and has barely played since. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that he’s on his way out, although after being at the club since he was a kid, it’s sad to think of him wearing someone else’s shirt.
Darron Gibson turns 24 this year and after hopes he would turn around a less than impressive start in the United first time, like Darren Fletcher, it seems as though the manager is ready to cash in.
The biggest surprise is John O’Shea though, who has been United’s Mr Versatile for years. He’s had some stick off his own fans as much as anyone else, but we’ve grown to appreciate him as the years have gone by and the manager has depended on him time and again.
Sunderland have put in bids for Wes Brown, Darron Gibson and John O’Shea.
The reported figure is £12m and there is some indication that it has been accepted.
Wes Brown called the manager a “cnut” during the pre-season last summer and has barely played since. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that he’s on his way out, although after being at the club since he was a kid, it’s sad to think of him wearing someone else’s shirt.
Darron Gibson turns 24 this year and after hopes he would turn around a less than impressive start in the United first time, like Darren Fletcher, it seems as though the manager is ready to cash in.
The biggest surprise is John O’Shea though, who has been United’s Mr Versatile for years. He’s had some stick off his own fans as much as anyone else, but we’ve grown to appreciate him as the years have gone by and the manager has depended on him time and again.
Nope, never at those prices.
The same set of fans who thought Nani should be sold for most parts of last season?
We'll agree to disagree if that is your basis of an argument.
SSN not mentioning Oshea
might be de laet or obertan
might be de laet or obertan
Well we've already lost GNev and we probably can't expect too many more seasons from Rio. That leaves just Vidic and Evra as experienced defenders, with some question marks over whether Evra's drop in form is a blip or signs of decline. We have a new young goalkeeper coming in too. We have lots of good young defenders, but it might have been nice to keep O'Shea's experience and versatility around.
Ronaldo deal aside we always managed to get screwed with transfer fees.
SSN not mentioning Oshea
might be de laet or obertan
Thank goodness. De Laet, Brown and Gibson seems a fair deal.
Funny how a lot of members of the Caf have been begging for these "useless shits" to be dumped for years, now they might be going everyone is up in arms about the price
For their age, squad place, and wage, £12m is perfectly fine.
For their age, squad place, and wage, £12m is perfectly fine.