Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown

Wouldn't stand in the way of Brown and Gibson going. I think Brown is surplus to requirements now and I don't think Gibson will prove good enough in the long run TBH.

I wouldn't be entirely happy with O'Shea leaving, as he's proved very valuable to the squad and can fill in number of positions if needed.
 
Zen said:
I'd bite their hands off for £4m a piece for these three. Another £10m for Evans to go somewhere and we're sorted.
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Right.

Lets just give up our homegrown spine and follow the Chelsea model. Its served them so well. Almost champions weren't they?
 
SharkyMcShark said:
:lol: Yes O'Shea is behind Giggs and Fletcher at fullback
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To be fair he probably should be, when Fletcher has played at RB he doesn't give the ball away as much as O'Shea does.

What I'm saying is we can cope without him because IF the twins and evra and some of the centre backs ever get hurt all at the same time, we've seen fletcher and giggs fill in quite effectively. certainly no less effectively than o'shea does when he plays
 
RB: Rafael, Fabio, Jones
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Jones, Evans
LB: Evra, Fabio, Evans

It's not bad. Even Smalling can deputise at right-back, if necessary. I'd keep O'Shea but it's hardly the end of the world if he leaves.
 
Twigginater said:
You being serious?

If Rafael gets a long term injury, and then Evra gets a three game ban, we'd be massively struggling.

Chelsea sold Deco, Beletti, J.Cole and Ballack last year. Massive mistake. If they had those four last year, they'd be champions right now.

We NEED O'Shea to win titles. We need players of his quality.
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Chelsea didn't replace those players though. If Jones joins he is versatile and can play a number of positions, Smalling can cover right back (and Valencia), Evans left back etc. It's not half as dramatic as some seem to be trying to make out.
 
our twins are a bit injury-prone though hench the risk of selling O'Shea...
 
This would balance out the big fee for Jones and given Bruce's relationship with the club I don't think he would make an official bid for all three unless he'd had a signal that they were on offer.

Wes going was inevitable, O'shea is a bit more of a surprise but perhaps Fergie feels Smalling and Jones can cover at right back if needed. Gibson going wouldn't be a total surprise but it means we are down to three natural CM's.
 
IanDangerously said:
I keep seeing this argument everywhere and it's nonsense, unless the squad is hit with a bird flu epidemic or something we're never going to need that! Let's look at where O'Shea would be now in rank for each position:

GK: New signing, Lindegaard, Kuszchak (if he stays), Amos ... O'Shea
RB: Fabio, Rafael, Fletcher ... O'Shea
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Jones ... O'Shea
LB: Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Giggs ... O'Shea
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Park ... O'Shea
ST: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda ... why would O'Shea even play there?

In conclusion, we might just need him if Carrington explodes one day and he's stuck in traffic.
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Aside from the bizarre inclusions of Giggs and Fletcher, I love how you actually felt the need to rank him in comparison to our 'keepers.
 
Let's not forget Brown and O'Shea will be on pretty big wages.. After already clearing VDS, Hargreaves, Scholes and Neville off the wage bill it should mean we have wages to spare for new signings without having a negative effect on the business side of things.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Because he is 30 and has a year left on his contract.
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Ah, ok. I didn't know he only had a year left. So the reports about him signing the extension earlier in the year must've been wrong, so.

But if he had some years left on his contract I'd stand by my point that he'd be worth at least £12m. Late 20s/early 30s are the prime years for a footballer.
 
Twigginater said:
feck that.

The more I here about this, the more worried I am.

Our squad couldn't cope with losing those three players, Neville, VDS, Hargreaves and Scholes at once.
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De Gea = VDS
Cleverley = Gibson
O'Shea = Jones

Brown hardly played last year. Drain on wage bill.
 
Twigginater said:
You being serious?

If Rafael gets a long term injury, and then Evra gets a three game ban, we'd be massively struggling.

Chelsea sold Deco, Beletti, J.Cole and Ballack last year. Massive mistake. If they had those four last year, they'd be champions right now.

We NEED O'Shea to win titles. We need players of his quality.
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Oh of course, I mean who can win titles without mediocre players?
 
Gibbo and Brown have been good servants for the club but I think if they want to make the most of the rest of their careers, they should move on.

On the contrary, I am determined that The Cat stays with us, he's too valuable a player.
 
MUFCgal said:
Wouldn't stand in the way of Brown and Gibson going. I think Brown is surplus to requirements now and I don't think Gibson will prove good enough in the long run TBH.

I wouldn't be entirely happy with O'Shea leaving, as he's proved very valuable to the squad and can fill in number of positions if needed.
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Agree with you on all accounts. It makes sense both for the club and the player in Browns case, likewise for Gibson (if SAF really doesn't see a future for him here) as both are in the last year of their contracts.

I'd hope that SAF says no to the offer for O Shea though and similarly I'd hope that he would want to stay because he's a hell of a useful squad member.
 
datura said:
Chelsea didn't replace those players though. If Jones joins he is versatile and can play a number of positions, Smalling can cover right back (and Valencia), Evans left back etc. It's not half as dramatic as some seem to be trying to make out.
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It is as bad though.

O'Shea made 32 appearances last term
Gibson made 22
Wes Brown made 15

You can't just lose squad players like that and not replace them. Jones might be able to step in, but what then if Ferdinands out? And what if Park and Nani both have tweaks? We just let Valencia play right back?

It's utterly stupid to think we can lose 5 important players last year (these three plus Scholes and VDS) and not replace them like for like. We need the bodies.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
Aside from the bizarre inclusions of Giggs and Fletcher, I love how you actually felt the need to rank him in comparison to our 'keepe
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Fletcher wasn't a bizarre inclusion cos he has played at right back a few times and done a good job. Giggs ... OK, I'll give you that one :lol:

Having said that in the event of extreme emergency, I'd say Giggs did well enough as a makeshift left back against ... west ham i think ... that i'd be alright with him playing there
 
datura said:
Chelsea didn't replace those players though. If Jones joins he is versatile and can play a number of positions, Smalling can cover right back (and Valencia), Evans left back etc. It's not half as dramatic as some seem to be trying to make out.
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Oh come on now, datura. Are you really saying that you'd rather Smalling cover at RB and Evan LB rather than have O'Shea? In a big match, if Carrick or Fletcher aren't available, play Jones CM than O'Shea?

Like I also mentioned earlier, he offers so much versatility even off the bench. We'd have a player who can cover almost 4-5 positions who'd be on the bench to cover up red cards, injury. Not to mention he is a part of our homegrown, loyal player spine, which according to me is so important.

I'm also pretty sure SAF isn't letting him go anywhere.

If Jones really does well for a season or so, maybe. But till then, why risk it?
 
Twigginater said:
It is as bad though.

O'Shea made 32 appearances last term
Gibson made 22
Wes Brown made 15

You can't just lose squad players like that and not replace them. Jones might be able to step in, but what then if Ferdinands out? And what if Park and Nani both have tweaks? We just let Valencia play right back?

It's utterly stupid to think we can lose 5 important players last year (these three plus Scholes and VDS) and not replace them like for like. We need the bodies.
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As already pointed out we have Cleverley coming back, who's an exciting young player.
 
Twigginater said:
You can't just lose squad players like that and not replace them. Jones might be able to step in, but what then if Ferdinands out? And what if Park and Nani both have tweaks? We just let Valencia play right back?

It's utterly stupid to think we can lose 5 important players last year (these three plus Scholes and VDS) and not replace them like for like. We need the bodies.
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We survived Munich.

Relax
 
I'm not sure about the full-back positions - JOS is definitely a better left-back than Evans but how often did he have to play left-back in the last few seasons anyway? - but I'd definitely have Jones ahead of O'Shea at DM. At least he might be good there; with O'Shea we know he's not.
 
I do think that a point that is being missed here is that a player can have high value to a squad without being individually financially valuable.
 
Twigginater said:
It is as bad though.

O'Shea made 32 appearances last term
Gibson made 22
Wes Brown made 15

You can't just lose squad players like that and not replace them. Jones might be able to step in, but what then if Ferdinands out? And what if Park and Nani both have tweaks? We just let Valencia play right back?

It's utterly stupid to think we can lose 5 important players last year (these three plus Scholes and VDS) and not replace them like for like. We need the bodies.
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Against Barca, our squad was well stocked with squad players and yet....we all know how it ended. Maybe its time to improve the quality of the side by bringing in new promising talent with a real chance of becoming world class to replace 'good squad players'?
 
Twigginater said:
I would love to see a team which wins the league with purely class players. Please find me one.
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Barcelona? :p

Oh, and fyi we can get rid of these three and still have enough mediocre players to fill in in case of emergency. We could easily just not loan De Laet out again and play him?
 
I think we're after a left back. Twins, Evra, and new signing.
 
Twigginater said:
Won't cover for the frailties at the back.
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What frailties at the back?

RB - Rafael, Fabio, Jones, Smalling and at a push Valencia

CB - Rio, Vidic, Smalling, Evans and Jones

LB - Evra, Fabio and Evans

We are more stocked than any other team in the top 6 when it comes to defense.
 
People make too much of O'shea's versatility. Yes, it was useful when we had a shit midfield and no options in defence, but now we have a large squad with a number of players that can fill each role. In the past few years where else has he actually played apart from at full back? A few of games at Centre Back in the midst of a defensive crisis (when even Carrick played at CB) doesn't really count.

I think we should keep him because he is a useful squad member but let's not go overboard and pretend that we would be fecked without him if one of our defenders got injured.
 
Twigginater said:
Won't cover for the frailties at the back.
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Frailties?????

We have the 2 best centrebacks in the league, the 2 most exciting fullbacks, potentially 3 very good young centrebacks. Oliver Gill looks a good player too and there's Evra, whjo'll come good again next year.
 
Twigginater said:
Won't cover for the frailties at the back.
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If Jones does indeed sign we'll have eight natural defenders even if O'Shea and Brown both leave. Two for every position, basically.

Your panicking is a bit absurd, considering you are usually an incurable optimist.
 
Would be surprised if Sheasy went, half expected it with Brown and Gibson tbh.
15-20m for all 3 would be a good deal in my opinion
 
alastair said:
I do think that a point that is being missed here is that a player can have high value to a squad without being individually financially valuable.
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Absolutely.

I think the fact that we have such a deep squad is the main reason we managed to pull out a league title and a Champions league final appearance last season.

That said, who knows what SAF has planned for our returning loanees/youth players. His decision on this bid from Sunderland should tell us a lot.
 
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