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Steve: You're a man of honour. The rest of ye can do one. No, I didn't mean that - I love all the world, even the scousers. Now, I will take a nap, I think. Peace be upon every man, child and cur - and Phil (Jonez). See you soon.
 
Good post Ches. I got half way through a rebuttal to him and just thought it not worth it. A potential dick measuring contest with one small cock in the open telling you all it's small and the other behind a sheet using as many means as possible to try and make it bigger before not showing you and just telling the verdict.

For the poor acts of kicking a fan and another player (Keane). At least they had the stones to do it in the public arena and cop the flak.
Luis Suarez in his underhand slimy wum laden antics are on a completely different level of scum. Perpetuated by his club doing everything to try and point the finger at everyone else.
 
Great post, CLS. Get him told. Comparing Suarez and Cantona...

Anyway, I find this whole situation fascinating. It's the same as Rooney. A club wants him, he wants to leave, the owning club isn't prepared to sell.

Where will they end up? Will either of these players resolve their disputes with their club and happily play for them? In Rooney's case the fans wouldn't forgive him and he'd get a hostile welcome pretty much whenever he plays, at least for the foreseeable future. Or will the club's break their word, cave in, and sell them? Either way I see there being big turnarounds for both these situations.
 
Anyway, I find this whole situation fascinating. It's the same as Rooney. A club wants him, he wants to leave, the owning club isn't prepared to sell.

Fascinating further is the said player having not expressed any personal desire to leave and it be taken as fact. On the other hand Suarez showing his cleft to anyone who wants in an attempt to get a move away.
 
Considering the severity of what Cantona did, & the fact that it was played out to millions of people watching on tv, don't you think United had little choice other than to punish him ? There was no doubt or ambiguity in his actions, he acted like a right thug. Something we were all getting used to as far as big Eric was concerned. Your manager knew full well the FA were going to come down hard on him, & rightly so. It was a face-saving exercise & a little bit of damage limitation as far as United were concerned. Let's not forget how serious this was. The Frenchman was initially jailed for 2 weeks, which was overturned & changed to community service upon appeal. His 9 month ban dwarfs anything that Suarez has received, yet some people on here amazingly view our man as the more evil out of the two.


Those who feel Cantona was justified in his actions might care to answer me this: It might come as a bit of a shock to some people on here, but gobshites like Mattehew Simmons - the bloke Cantona attacked - are not a rarity in football grounds around the country. An even bigger shock is that you probably have your fair share at Old Trafford on matchdays wearing the famous shirt of Manchester United. So if Steven Gerrard, for example, was verbally abused in the way that EC was by that Crystal Palace prick, would you still feel the same if Stevie dished out the same treatment to said offender in a Manchester United shirt. I might be wrong, but I reckon you'd all be a tad upset......It's that double-standards thingy you see.

Anyway, back to big Eric. During his ban, your man asked for his contract to be terminated, as he didn't want to play in England anymore. Ferguson, as we know, eventually talked him out of it. I mean, why would he do that ? He tarnished United's reputation pretty badly, just in the way that Suarez has done at Liverpool. Could it be the fact that he was a highly talented individual whom United depended on for his maverick skills & many flashes of creativity. That sort of player is hard to find, & should be backed to the hilt, isn't that so ?

It's actually quite funny how one or two on here develop the 3 wise monkeys syndrome - see, hear, speak no evil - when it comes to Manchester United. Suarez is a cnut in their eyes, but Eric was simply a misunderstood genius, & Luis shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the great man. These 2 complex characters share more than just a penchant for violent & disruptive behaviour. The both have a fuse as short as a eunuch's penis, & a similar psychosis insofar that neither one shows any remorse or regret at what they've done. & if anything, they have a tendency to actually believe that they are the ones who've been wronged. The long & the tall of it, is that both players are cut from the same cloth. It's just that some of you, can't, or won't, accept it.

You say some people here 'amazingly' view your man as the more evil out of him and Cantona. Now it's hardly amazing is it? Wow, they view the racist as more evil than the guy who kicked a racist, I can hardly believe it.

Forget Steven Gerrard, imagine Suarez's biggest misdemeanour in this country wasn't in fact abusing a black player on the basis of his skin colour, but was in fact, kicking a racist hooligan. Do you think the public perception of him would be different?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think people can analyse situations logically and conclude that winding black players up on the basis of their skin colour is a much greater character flaw than kicking a racist.

Most people don't view racists very favourably and whilst we shouldn't go round kicking them in the face, our general revulsion for them means we can at the very least understand why Cantona acted as he did. I'm sure you despite your belligerence understand this position too.

In contrast, unless you're some BNP nut or just hate black people, you probably won't be able to sympathise with Suarez abusing black players on the basis of their skin colour. Yet that's exactly what your club did.

One more time as you keep skipping the issue, you defended a racist, you blamed his victim and demanded he be banned, you made white t-shirts in support of him and backed him so much to the tilt that when he further ruined his reputation by refusing to shake the hand of his victim, you had no other choice but to continue blindly defending him.

It's quite amusing how you belittle United's response to Cantona, yet it couldn't have been much more different to Liverpool's pathetic and embarrassing response to Suarez. Public admonishment, a 4 month ban and a fine send a message loud a clear. If your club had taken anything like similar action against Suarez, Kenny Dalglish's reputation wouldn't be in tatters and your club's name wouldn't have been anywhere near as tarnished. I know this, you know this, everyone knows this. And by not indulging your racist scumbag, maybe he wouldn't have got the impression that he can continue doing as he pleases or that you need him more than he needs you.
 
Can all these Liverpool and Arsenal bellends harping on about 'what Cantons done' actually enlighten me to the long list of things he did at United other that the Simmons kick?

Let's see what you actually know..
 
Cantona proved on more than one occasion he was a thug mate. Why not accept it, & we can all move on.

& btw, this is quite interesting. It seems United's punishment of Cantona was actually instigated by the sneaky feckers at the FA. So it seems your club are not the moral leaders most of you think they are.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/26/alex-ferguson-luis-suarez-eric-cantona

But I thought that Ferguson had the FA in his pocket and that's how he won the 13 league titles and knocked you off your fecking perch?
 
In contrast, unless you're some BNP nut or just hate black people, you probably won't be able to sympathise with Suarez abusing black players on the basis of their skin colour. Yet that's exactly what your club did.


Just to make it clear - they did not. Rather than openly defending a clear cut racist as you make it sound, the club (rightly or wrongly) felt that Evra had misinterpreted Suarez. Clear difference between the two things.

Anyway, looks like Alastair owes this place a tenner.
 
Can all these Liverpool and Arsenal bellends harping on about 'what Cantons done' actually enlighten me to the long list of things he did at United other that the Simmons kick?

Let's see what you actually know..

It isn't just about what he did at United, I can't recall anything other than the Palace incident and the horrible stamp on John Moncur, it's about a history of problems. He was in trouble at every French club he played for.

He was banned for 2 months at Auxerre for an horrendous late tackle, he was banned for a month at Marseille and also banned for 2 months at Nimes. Thought he also thumped one of his team mates at one of his French clubs also.
 
Just to make it clear - they did not. Rather than openly defending a clear cut racist as you make it sound, the club (rightly or wrongly) felt that Evra had misinterpreted Suarez. Clear difference between the two things.

Anyway, looks like Alastair owes this place a tenner.

But they didn't really. That was the position post lawyer intervention. It's pretty unequivocal that telling Evra he kicked him because he's black, which is what Suarez had admitted saying to Comolli and Kuyt in the immediate aftermath, would be considered racial abuse. The story only shifted later.

But rather than reprimand him and apologise, you indulged him and his racist outburst and demanded Evra be banned instead. A braindead move that dragged football back to the dark ages and will tarnish your club's name for years to come.
 
It isn't just about what he did at United, I can't recall anything other than the Palace incident and the horrible stamp on John Moncur, it's about a history of problems. He was in trouble at every French club he played for.

He was banned for 2 months at Auxerre for an horrendous late tackle, he was banned for a month at Marseille and also banned for 2 months at Nimes. Thought he also thumped one of his team mates at one of his French clubs also.



All this is true, and fair enough. However, none of these offences constitute racism towards fellow professionals; and it's racism that puts Suarez's behaviour beyond the pale, and beyond club rivalries.
 
Just to make it clear - they did not. Rather than openly defending a clear cut racist as you make it sound, the club (rightly or wrongly) felt that Evra had misinterpreted Suarez. Clear difference between the two things.

Anyway, looks like Alastair owes this place a tenner.


I donate every year, but I'd wait until September 2nd before being so confident, sunshine.
 
Wenger preparing £45m bid. :lol:

:lol::lol:

Like I surmised a few weeks ago, Wenger is playing the fans perfectly this season:
1. Offer for Higuain, don't see it through.
2. Show his hand to Real that he has serious money by bidding for Suarez (but knowingly not enough).
3. Real get p*ssed and sell Higuain elsewhere.
4. P*ss off Liverpool with the £1. Wait for a week and a half, then up the offer to £45m closer to window shutting.

And apparently Rodgers/FSG are playing us 'Pool fans as fiddles. :wenger:
 
Been told he must now apologise to his teammates before allowed to train with 1st team.

Impressive stance from Rodgers
 
Just to make it clear - they did not. Rather than openly defending a clear cut racist as you make it sound, the club (rightly or wrongly) felt that Evra had misinterpreted Suarez. Clear difference between the two things.

Anyway, looks like Alastair owes this place a tenner.

fecking hell they are all brainwashed.

But they didn't really. That was the position post lawyer intervention. It's pretty unequivocal that telling Evra he kicked him because he's black, which is what Suarez had admitted saying to Comolli and Kuyt in the immediate aftermath, would be considered racial abuse. The story only shifted later.

But rather than reprimand him and apologise, you indulged him and his racist outburst and demanded Evra be banned instead. A braindead move that dragged football back to the dark ages and will tarnish your club's name for years to come.

Correct, pretty much sums it up.
 
It isn't just about what he did at United, I can't recall anything other than the Palace incident and the horrible stamp on John Moncur, it's about a history of problems. He was in trouble at every French club he played for.

He was banned for 2 months at Auxerre for an horrendous late tackle, he was banned for a month at Marseille and also banned for 2 months at Nimes. Thought he also thumped one of his team mates at one of his French clubs also.

Well it is about what he did at United when you're having a pop at United about it.
 
Liverpool aren't going to sell Suarez to Arsenal. He'll either be sold to another league or be forced to stay. That much is very clear.

Still, I guess this thread does provide a gathering point for Liverpool/United/Arsenal fans to have a bit of wrangle together.
 
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