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Isotope said:
Exactly. For me, as long as no crime is done outside the field, we judge footballer based on their on pitch performance.
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I don't disagree, and not joining in the debate on Giggs as nobody can doubt on the field he has not only been a great player but a good pro in the way he has looked after himself, and quite apart from anything else nothing to do with Suarez.
However, you can't deny maybe some cynical rivals maybe chuckling when he is referred to as "Sir" as his off field antics have hardly deserved such a title.
Not saying I am in that bracket like.
 
Saoirse. said:
Any one looking forward to the meltdown? At least RVP will get a break from this moron's ramblings. This man changes his opinion more than he changes his nags.
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Don't post this cnuts tweets!
 
johnny boy said:
I don't disagree, and not joining in the debate on Giggs as nobody can doubt on the field he has not only been a great player but a good pro in the way he has looked after himself, and quite apart from anything else nothing to do with Suarez.
However, you can't deny maybe some cynical rivals maybe chuckling when he is referred to as "Sir" as his off field antics have hardly deserved such a title.
Not saying I am in that bracket like.
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Just like Gerrard got his MBE based on his footballing achievement, I think. Adults should differentiate sportsmen as professionals from their private life. Unless people is into this celebrity thing.
 
alastair said:
I'm genuinely not sure what's more morally wrong.

Racially abusing someone once or cheating on your brother's wife over a long period of time. It's quite a choice.
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The big difference is that Suarez is a knob on the pitch. Whilst I am not condoning what Giggs has done off the pitch, frankly I couldn't give a flying pig about it as it has no bearings on his conduct on the pitch.
 
QuackQuack said:
The big difference is that Suarez is a knob on the pitch. Whilst I am not condoning what Giggs has done off the pitch, frankly I don't give a flying pig about it as it has no bearings on his conduct on the pitch.
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You have nothing against John Terry then? Had no problem with him banging that player's wife?
 
Amazing to think really. If someone told me 3 years ago that Rooney > Chelsea, RVP > United and Suarez > Arsenal, I'd have urgently call the asylum.
 
Grinner said:
You have nothing against John Terry then? Had no problem with him banging that player's wife?
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No I don't really dislike Terry for his extra marital affair. It was a horrible thing to do to a friend but it should be separate to his footballing career.
 
How comes Al reckons Liverpool need two £25m players more than Suarez, but Arsenal don't?

It's like suddenly some gooners think Suarez is the answer to all their prayers. Truth is you were battling for top 4 with the likes of Fabregas and RVP, adding Suarez isn't going to make you world beaters.
 
Redlambs said:
How comes Al reckons Liverpool need two £25m players more than Suarez, but Arsenal don't?

It's like suddenly some gooners think Suarez is the answer to all their prayers. Truth is you were battling for top 4 with the likes of Fabregas and RVP, adding Suarez isn't going to make you world beaters.
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With one post, you thwart my argument.

Oh wait, no you didn't, I can think of a way out here.

My only response is really that we need more than just Suarez. That's abundantly obvious. That said, we do have £100m to spend, so we could still buy two other great players with the remaining cash. I'm not sure how much Liverpool have.
 
alastair said:
With one post, you thwart my argument.

Oh wait, no you didn't, I can think of a way out here.

My only response is really that we need more than just Suarez. That's abundantly obvious. That said, we do have £100m to spend, so we could still buy two other great players with the remaining cash. I'm not sure how much Liverpool have.
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You really think Arsenal will spend £100m? Careful now Al, you are getting a bit scouser like here...
 
Redlambs said:
You really think Arsenal will spend £100m? Careful now Al, you are getting a bit scouser like here...
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It all depends on how much we panic. I won't bore you with a long post about everything that's going on at Arsenal, but with it being the last year in Wenger's contract, we need to show improvement. £100m is pushing it, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got near £75m by the end of the window, if Suarez comes. If not, we might end up spending about £40m, which in the eyes of many won't be enough.
 
Arsenal will continue to do nothing until they sort their defence (first team and squad). That is going to cost a few quid.
 
Grinner said:
Which is why I'm alright with him chomping on the Serb. I've always hated that fecker.
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Agreed on that. I can't stand him either. He's got a punchable mug for my money. But. In all seriousness. The biting incident would've been borderline funny if he hadn't actually sunk his teeth into someone before. To have form in such an outlandish department is...yes, well, I suppose it is quite funny, actually. But damning, very damning.

And then there's the matter of the racial abuse. Just saying. You won't find too many professional footballers around with his track record.
 
alastair said:
It all depends on how much we panic. I won't bore you with a long post about everything that's going on at Arsenal, but with it being the last year in Wenger's contract, we need to show improvement. £100m is pushing it, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got near £75m by the end of the window, if Suarez comes. If not, we might end up spending about £40m, which in the eyes of many won't be enough.
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A bit of panic is exactly what you need. If you get in just Suarez, you won't progress at all. Sure you might get 4th a little easier, bit that's about it.

Frankly, all joking aside, I'm surprised there's many of you at all that would seriously love to have Suarez. Especially for £40m+. You can't be that desperate!
 
alastair said:
It all depends on how much we panic. I won't bore you with a long post about everything that's going on at Arsenal, but with it being the last year in Wenger's contract, we need to show improvement. £100m is pushing it, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got near £75m by the end of the window, if Suarez comes. If not, we might end up spending about £40m, which in the eyes of many won't be enough.
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You are confident that Wenger will pull a couple of big name signings out of his hat? Naah...he's putting Sagna in the middle and TV up front.
 
Grinner said:
You are confident that Wenger will pull a couple of big name signings out of his hat? Naah...he's putting Sagna in the middle and TV up front.
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I reckon he'll do something just because I don't think even Wenger's shark skin can withstand another year of the Emirates crowd on his back.
 
Can I just say this: I can't stand the sight of Suarez, can't stand to read his half-generic footballish platitudes, half-genuine melodramatic, whiny lamentations in the interviews...and all the rest. But, by God, I don't dislike that cnut half as much as I positively loathe Piers feckin' Morgan.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Can I just say this: I can't stand the sight of Suarez, can't stand to read his half-generic footballish platitudes, half-genuine melodramatic, whiny lamentations in the interviews...and all the rest. But, by God, I don't dislike that cnut half as much as I positively loathe Piers feckin' Morgan.
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:lol:

I scrolled down to post something similar, but you've said it better than I could.
 
ghaliboy said:
Was I dreaming when the club came out and reprimanded Cantona themselves?
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Considering the severity of what Cantona did, & the fact that it was played out to millions of people watching on tv, don't you think United had little choice other than to punish him ? There was no doubt or ambiguity in his actions, he acted like a right thug. Something we were all getting used to as far as big Eric was concerned. Your manager knew full well the FA were going to come down hard on him, & rightly so. It was a face-saving exercise & a little bit of damage limitation as far as United were concerned. Let's not forget how serious this was. The Frenchman was initially jailed for 2 weeks, which was overturned & changed to community service upon appeal. His 9 month ban dwarfs anything that Suarez has received, yet some people on here amazingly view our man as the more evil out of the two.


Those who feel Cantona was justified in his actions might care to answer me this: It might come as a bit of a shock to some people on here, but gobshites like Mattehew Simmons - the bloke Cantona attacked - are not a rarity in football grounds around the country. An even bigger shock is that you probably have your fair share at Old Trafford on matchdays wearing the famous shirt of Manchester United. So if Steven Gerrard, for example, was verbally abused in the way that EC was by that Crystal Palace prick, would you still feel the same if Stevie dished out the same treatment to said offender in a Manchester United shirt. I might be wrong, but I reckon you'd all be a tad upset......It's that double-standards thingy you see.

Anyway, back to big Eric. During his ban, your man asked for his contract to be terminated, as he didn't want to play in England anymore. Ferguson, as we know, eventually talked him out of it. I mean, why would he do that ? He tarnished United's reputation pretty badly, just in the way that Suarez has done at Liverpool. Could it be the fact that he was a highly talented individual whom United depended on for his maverick skills & many flashes of creativity. That sort of player is hard to find, & should be backed to the hilt, isn't that so ?

It's actually quite funny how one or two on here develop the 3 wise monkeys syndrome - see, hear, speak no evil - when it comes to Manchester United. Suarez is a cnut in their eyes, but Eric was simply a misunderstood genius, & Luis shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the great man. These 2 complex characters share more than just a penchant for violent & disruptive behaviour. The both have a fuse as short as a eunuch's penis, & a similar psychosis insofar that neither one shows any remorse or regret at what they've done. & if anything, they have a tendency to actually believe that they are the ones who've been wronged. The long & the tall of it, is that both players are cut from the same cloth. It's just that some of you, can't, or won't, accept it.
 
alastair said:
I reckon he'll do something just because I don't think even Wenger's shark skin can withstand another year of the Emirates crowd on his back.
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Arsene's got rhino hide a few BSM wankers booing him is like water off a duck's back.
 
Cantona drop kicked a low life racist scum. Suarez is the racist scum.
United suspended Cantona. Liverpool defended Suarez despite his admitting to use a racial slur, then brought out t-shirts to commemorate his actions and their official site falsely accused Evra of previously lying about racist abuse. If that wasn't bad enough, instead of banning Suarez for biting an opponent (completely unprovoked) they used Hillsborough to soften things up and then went on to blame the media culminating in their player (Reina) implying that the FA were xenophobic and their manager pretty much backing him up.

Liverpool's conduct with Suarez has been fecking atrocious and a complete PR disaster. Both of the deserve each other.
 
I think it pointed up the sheer ludicrousness of passing moral judgement on footballers unless they are fecking dangerous criminals like Marlon King (who still gets a gig).

Marlon King's convictions today for sexual assault and actual bodily harmare the latest in a long list of court appearances stretching back 12 years.
London's Southwark Crown Court heard that since the age of 17 the Jamaica international has found himself in the dock on no less than seven previous occasions involving 13 offences. They feature dishonesty, drink driving and other motoring offences, and violence against women.
Only one, receiving a stolen £30,000 BMW, resulted in a prison sentence – 18 months reduced to nine on appeal. Apart from some community penalties, the other punishments were fines.
King's first brush with the law was in December 1997 at Camberwell Youth Court when he was convicted of wounding another footballer. At the time he was playing for a local Dulwich side. His victim was part of a St Thomas's Hospital team.
Magistrates heard how he grabbed his opponent round the neck and, as the referee booked him, returned to the attack with a head-butt and a punch in the face, fracturing his cheekbone. He was given an 80-hour community order and ordered to pay £250 compensation.
Two years later, at Tower Bridge Magistrates' Court, he was fined a total of £240 for two counts of theft and two of fraudulently using a tax disc.
In 2002 he was brought before Camberwell Green Magistrates for driving with excess alcohol and while uninsured. He was fined £650, ordered to pay £40 costs and disqualified from driving for nine months.
A week later at Greenwich Magistrates' Court he received a six-month community rehabilitation order and was ordered to pay £100 compensation for criminal damage and attempting to obtain property by deception. Later that year, at Inner London Crown Court, he was jailed for receiving the BMW Cabriolet.
A year after that he was at Bow Street Magistrates' Court for two counts of common assault. The court heard how a cab driver had called police about a "disturbance" in Berwick Street, Soho. When officers arrived they saw King chasing two women along the road with a belt and buckle wrapped round his right fist.
One of them explained he had attacked them for "no apparent reason", punching her in the face and causing cuts and swelling. He was fined £1,000, and ordered to pay £500 compensation as well as £100 costs.
His last court appearance was in 2005, again at Bow Street, when he was convicted of threatening behaviour. This involved him approaching a woman near Leicester Square, and again for "no apparent reason" spat at her. He was fined £300, and ordered to pay £500 compensation and £55 costs.
 
Come on Ali, who are these two £25m players we can get with the £50m for Suarez? Or are you talking shit?
 
Saoirse. said:
Come on Ali, who are these two £25m players we can get with the £50m for Suarez? Or are you talking shit?
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That Diego Costa might be one, though I thought we bid for him anyway, seems to have gone quiet now.
 
retardman5 said:
Considering the severity of what Cantona did, & the fact that it was played out to millions of people watching on tv, don't you think United had little choice other than to punish him ? There was no doubt or ambiguity in his actions, he acted like a right thug. Something we were all getting used to as far as big Eric was concerned. Your manager knew full well the FA were going to come down hard on him, & rightly so. It was a face-saving exercise & a little bit of damage limitation as far as United were concerned. Let's not forget how serious this was. The Frenchman was initially jailed for 2 weeks, which was overturned & changed to community service upon appeal. His 9 month ban dwarfs anything that Suarez has received, yet some people on here amazingly view our man as the more evil out of the two.


Those who feel Cantona was justified in his actions might care to answer me this: It might come as a bit of a shock to some people on here, but gobshites like Mattehew Simmons - the bloke Cantona attacked - are not a rarity in football grounds around the country. An even bigger shock is that you probably have your fair share at Old Trafford on matchdays wearing the famous shirt of Manchester United. So if Steven Gerrard, for example, was verbally abused in the way that EC was by that Crystal Palace prick, would you still feel the same if Stevie dished out the same treatment to said offender in a Manchester United shirt. I might be wrong, but I reckon you'd all be a tad upset......It's that double-standards thingy you see.

Anyway, back to big Eric. During his ban, your man asked for his contract to be terminated, as he didn't want to play in England anymore. Ferguson, as we know, eventually talked him out of it. I mean, why would he do that ? He tarnished United's reputation pretty badly, just in the way that Suarez has done at Liverpool. Could it be the fact that he was a highly talented individual whom United depended on for his maverick skills & many flashes of creativity. That sort of player is hard to find, & should be backed to the hilt, isn't that so ?

It's actually quite funny how one or two on here develop the 3 wise monkeys syndrome - see, hear, speak no evil - when it comes to Manchester United. Suarez is a cnut in their eyes, but Eric was simply a misunderstood genius, & Luis shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the great man. These 2 complex characters share more than just a penchant for violent & disruptive behaviour. The both have a fuse as short as a eunuch's penis, & a similar psychosis insofar that neither one shows any remorse or regret at what they've done. & if anything, they have a tendency to actually believe that they are the ones who've been wronged. The long & the tall of it, is that both players are cut from the same cloth. It's just that some of you, can't, or won't, accept it.
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Alright. Let's play this one. It's not a pleasant one, by any stretch, but let's. I've been rescued from a horrible party, am home and not entirely sober, and all I want is a fecking wireless keyboard that works. Which it don't. So, you'll need to give me five minutes, matey.
 
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