The club penalised Cantona themselves, Liverpool however in both the cases refused to do the same when there was over-whelming evidence against their player. That's the main difference, they could've easily banned Suarez for biting themselves but they didn't.
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Like I've said earlier I still think there is a deal to be done but not at £40mill+1. If we come in close or around £50mill I think Liverpool will consider cutting their losses and miraculously find a replacement. Their owner also said Torres wouldn't be sold. Like I also said I don't think we will go that figure so I'm not sure if this deal will happen
Rodgers & Liverpool said they wouldn't go for any Swansea players, they then activated his release clause. You say he was quick enough to cash the money, the release clause was activated and Swansea don't get to choose whether they want to accept the offer or not. The player only wanted to join Liverpool so he left, did you expect him to not cash the money out of principle?
You say you wouldn't be surprised if Jenkins leaked out the details of his contract, I'd say it is a hell of a lot more likely that came from Liverpool. Like we have seen with this Suarez affair most of what is in the press is coming from your end rather than ours.
Rodgers & Liverpool said they wouldn't go for any Swansea players, they then activated his release clause. You say he was quick enough to cash the money, the release clause was activated and Swansea don't get to choose whether they want to accept the offer or not. The player only wanted to join Liverpool so he left, did you expect him to not cash the money out of principle?
You say you wouldn't be surprised if Jenkins leaked out the details of his contract, I'd say it is a hell of a lot more likely that came from Liverpool. Like we have seen with this Suarez affair most of what is in the press is coming from your end rather than ours.
One thing that surprises me in all of this is why Arsenal want anything to do with a character like Luis Suarez?
Not a player I would have at United in any circumstances. Too much bad press, too much trouble, too much hard work.
Not a player I would have at United in any circumstances. Too much bad press, too much trouble, too much hard work.
If he was a top class CM your views on him would be very different. Didn't Fabregas lob a pizza at Fergie? A lot of your fans seemed to have forgiven him for that!
Also a lot of fans are torn about him, surprising number of Arsenal fans want nothing to do with him
I think you are kidding yourself, John Henry's words have been unequivocal, he has made a firm statement that 1. Suarez is not for sale and 2. Definitely not for sale to Arsenal, it's not about the money it's about keeping a player of Suarez's quality. His words about Torres were nowhere near as damming as those about Suarez.
Take from it what you want, but Henry has been very clear Suarez isn't going to be sold to Arsenal.
If he goes to Arsenal now, Henry will look like a bit of an idiot.
Lobbing up a pizza and racially abusing someone is bit different.
Suarez can be the world's best player and could be available for free and I still wouldn't want him here.
You are comparing Fabregas throwing some pizza to Suarez using racial abuse, diving, cheating and biting on numerous occasions?
The way Suarez has treated Liverpool recently is enough to put me off him alone, especially when you consider what they have done for him rightly or wrongly.
United would have nothing to do with a player like that and I wouldn't have expected Arsenal too either.
Didn't your previous owners say they would build you a new stadium and not load debt onto your club? I stopped believing what managers and owners said a long time ago. Like I said I doubt this deal will happen but I wouldn't rule anything out.
I'm sure you wouldn't take him on a free.....
I'm not comparing all I'm saying is your club has no need for him so it is easy to sit there and say you wouldn't want the player. If you club was desperate to strengthen a position you'll find a lot fans look past flaws. Diving and cheating is common place among most players, including a few in your own team. Racism thing isn't on and biting thing was more petulance than anything else
Yes I wouldn't and you can ask the majority of the United fans and they will agree then they will not take Suarez here on a free.
I'm not sure why would any fanbase want a player like Suarez here but I think the desperation of trophies makes Racists acceptable.
Oh yeah, the previous owners who left our club hours away from ceasing to exist....what stand up guys they were!
The biting is "just petulance"? What? He has done it twice and been banned heavily on both occasions.
Racism "thing" and biting "thing". Already trying to play down how much of a cnut he is?
You know full well United wouldn't have anything to do with a player like that. We are notorious for not putting up with shit from players.
Have a word with yourself. Without Fabregas we are a title winning side, even with Suarez you won't barely manage a challenge.
What you going to do when you win nothing yet again and Suarez does this to your lot? You will have to sell and be embarrassed by all this shit just like the scousers. None of you should want him, it's certainly not surprising if people don't.
Celtic got put out by Sion and they went through after Sion got expelled. I can't imagine them putting a worse team in.
Like I said if you desperately needed strengthening in a position your fanbase would view the player in a very different light. It is easy to take the moral high ground from your position. As for what our fanbase think, a recent poll on a forum I visit more people said no than yes. A few here have aired their views as well of what they think
I've always said he is a proper cnut but then again most players are. I still to this day have serious reservations about signing him, it makes me very uncomfortable but I do see why the club want him. If there is a chance to sign Rooney I'd prefer to sign him but I think he wants to join Chelsea so wouldn't join us.
As for his character look at someone like Giggs, seen as a legend but what he has done off the pitch makes him a bigger disgrace than most players as far as I'm concerned. Drogba was an absolute cnut on the pitch but off the pitch one of the nicest and most generous people you'll ever know. Do we judge players by what happens on the pitch or off it as well? What Suarez has done is not acceptable but he has been punished for it.
What relevance does your first point have with this discussion or what I said?
The club want him because he is clearly a better striker than we have got, if he pulls another act like this then of course we will look stupid. It is quite possible he won't do anything stupid but I'd agree with his previous track record that isn't likely.
I agree, he has made us look stupid. Some of the things that went on under the previous regime were poorly managed.
I think Brendan is made of different stuff, Kenny was almost too defensive for his own good at times (not on the pitch that is), I think the owners have realised past mistakes too. The biting thing was the last straw for me, I have said countless times I wouldn't have any problem if the player was sold (preferably abroad).
I fully understand that Cantona was dealt with better at United than LFC have dealt with Suarez. Correct. I think Brendan and the owners have got themselves in a better place with recent comments, let's face it you can't condone anyone who bites an opponent!
Cantona I remember as a ruddy good player, but a thug on the pitch, he had a history of issues at virtually every club he played for.
I don't mean just at United, at every French club he played for too, at least 2 of which I am sure he was banned at.
My comments reflect his on field behaviour over a long period of time, am I saying he was worse than Suarez, no. Whether he was in the same league is up to people to decide, obviously fan bias comes into a little as there is no doubt he was a top player.
Is this poll not contradicting your opinion somewhat? If Arsenal who have no personal history with Suarez are as heavily against it as that what makes you think Utd fans who do would not be even more against it given the history?
I'm saying opinion is divided, I think it would be the same for other clubs. Some here are alluding that only we would want him but all I'm saying is when fans desperately need a position strengthening then you'll find some look past faults.
With due respect, I'm not sure you quite understand how much the United fans hate Suarez.
So now you're comparing Ryan Giggs to Suarez, well not comparing saying he is worse?!
Come on mate. Who you trying to convince here. Yourself?
What I never understand is how when Arsenal try to improve the squad, people say 'oh well Suarez won't get you a title challenge' and when you don't do anything, people say 'oh look at Arsenal, they need to sign top class players.'
It doesn't compute.
It doesn't compute.
I'm genuinely not sure what's more morally wrong.
Racially abusing someone once or cheating on your brother's wife over a long period of time. It's quite a choice.
It'll be funny when Arsenal fans realise Suarez isn't coming to your club and you can revert back to the insults of Suarez rather than trying to sugar coat everything he has done.
I don't think I've once sugarcoated racial abuse in this thread, but thanks for accusing me of that anyway.
And he may well not come, but it'll take bravery the Liverpool board haven't yet shown to turn down a £50m bid.
Are they going to bid £50m though?
Bravery? They aren't going into battle! Why would we sell our best player to have £50m sitting in the bank to buy players we haven't a hope of attracting? As John Henry said, it's for football reasons Suarez isn't for sale- not financial reasons.
One is a crime, one is not. One is done in football pitch, one in bedroom/table/countertop.
So all Suarez has ever done wrong starts and ends with abusing Evra? Or just easier to forget the rest..
Because you could attract two £25m players who would be better than one Suarez whose motivation may have gone.
Any one looking forward to the meltdown? At least RVP will get a break from this moron's ramblings. This man changes his opinion more than he changes his nags.
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/364875303862009857
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/364875303862009857
Which two £25m players could we get in three weeks and two days then?
Also, if Suarez stays at Liverpool what reason is there for him to sulk?n After one of his best seasons only one mediocre European club were interested in him, sulking on a bench and moping about or behaving badly is hardly going to attract any of the more high profile European clubs. This season is Suarez's shop window.
For the time being. If he stays, the fans will get behind him again, just like the majority of United fans after Rooney's first "I want to leave" incident.
You're really clutching at straws here.
Me? I don't know what I'm trying to prove here, except that some United fans, as much as any set of fans, will support a player regardless of what they have done before.
You forget how much of a club legend and ambassador Giggs is though. To try and compare his affair with that little thug from Uruguay is beyond ridiculous.
So, if one of Arsenal's legend get found out having long term affair, you won't celebrate his name?
Tbf what Ryan did was despicable. I did lose some respect for him.
But his personal life is his personal life. As a footballer he's been a model pro.
But his personal life is his personal life. As a footballer he's been a model pro.
Exactly. For me, as long as no crime is done outside the field, we judge footballer based on their on pitch performance.
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