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johnny boy said:
You said earlier what he did was a "one off" , that's hardly true though is it. He had a history of issues at pretty much every club he played for including United.
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What we were talking about on that level, certainly at United was.

And well done for glossing over the point. You say you don't condone it, but you lot certainly made (and apparently still are right now) plenty of excuses.
 
Redlambs said:
What we were talking about on that level, certainly at United was.

And well done for glossing over the point. You say you don't condone it, but you lot certainly made (and apparently still are right now) plenty of excuses.
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I haven't glossed over anything, nor have I defended him, as I said recently I would have been quite happy had he been sold to Real Madrid. Lots feel the same way.
 
Grinner said:
Nope...Cantona was a despicable cnut too.
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I don't think that represents the consensus at the time, though. There were many people, non-United fans, who saw the other side to the Kung-Fu episode, for instance. I remember reading several pieces in the paper at the time which highlighted the xenophobia angle rather than portraying Cantona as a violent nutter.

Cantona, prior to the Kung-Fu episode (which was, again, about more than the kick itself), was regarded as a loose cannon - a player who had serious trouble controlling his temper. But as far as I know he was never looked on as a dirty player, as such. There wasn't the gamesmanship and the, for lack of a better word, insincerity which many would say has characterized Suarez.

Again, I'm not neutral here by any means - I love the King - but it has always been my impression that neutrals looked on Cantona as a character more than a cnut - and certainly far less of a cnut than Suarez.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I don't think that represents the consensus at the time, though. There were many people, non-United fans, who saw the other side to the Kung-Fu episode, for instance. I remember reading several pieces in the paper at the time which highlighted the xenophobia angle rather than portraying Cantona as a violent nutter.

Cantona, prior to the Kung-Fu episode (which was, again, about more than the kick itself), was regarded as a loose cannon - a player who had serious trouble controlling his temper. But as far as I know he was never looked on as a dirty player, as such. There wasn't the gamesmanship and the, for lack of a better word, insincerity which many would say has characterized Suarez.

Again, I'm not neutral here by any means - I love the King - but it has always been my impression that neutrals looked on Cantona as a character more than a cnut - and certainly far less of a cnut than Suarez.
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You're wrong...he was hated. Good player like Suarez is though.
 
Grinner said:
You're wrong...he was hated. Good player like Suarez is though.
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If we're still talking about his public image - the way he was portrayed in the media and so forth - I don't think I'm all that wrong, no. Unless my memory of that time has been distorted completely. I was rarely sober, be it said, so it's a definite possibility.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Didn't the guy he kicked have it coming in a big way?
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He was a National Front/BNP type, convicted of assault against a petrol station worker (if memory serves). He was in trouble a few years ago too, incidentally - beat up his son's football coach. Unpleasant bloke by all accounts.
 
retardman5 said:
Yup, he's our Eric Cantona. Had someone like Phil Neville or Nicky Butt behaved liked the Grade A loon Frenchman, they'd have been packed off pretty sharpish for tainting the image of MUFC. The manager & fans wouldn't have had it no other way. The fact is, at the time he was integral to everything that United were trying to achieve. So despite the national uproar & condemnation, most people at your club, & more so the manager backed him to the hilt. We're pretty much the same in that respect.
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Absolute nonsense.

Our club actually took strong action against Cantona reprimanding him, fining him and banning him for 4 months whereas your club stood up for a racist and demanded that his black victim be banned instead. Completely incomparable situations.

And Cantona was essentially banned for kicking a Luis Suarez type racist in the face. Perhaps that's why his situation is viewed more sympathetically.

You stand up for a player who racially abuses black players to wind them up.
 
Comparing Cantona to Suarez is offensive and deeply misguided.

Surely Keane would be a better comparison. Even then though, still offensive.
 
Manchester United banned Eric Cantona. Liverpool wore t shirts and accused a victim of racial abuse of lying.
 
retardman5 said:
Yup, he's our Eric Cantona. Had someone like Phil Neville or Nicky Butt behaved liked the Grade A loon Frenchman, they'd have been packed off pretty sharpish for tainting the image of MUFC. The manager & fans wouldn't have had it no other way. The fact is, at the time he was integral to everything that United were trying to achieve. So despite the national uproar & condemnation, most people at your club, & more so the manager backed him to the hilt. We're pretty much the same in that respect.
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We kept Ronnie Wallwork after he attacked a ref. He was on the books for another 3 seasons.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
What I've taken from this thread is that it's fine to run down your contract and leave on a free UNLESS you've developed as a player changed positions on the pitch in which case you're a twat for wanting out.
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It depends on whether you've played a made up number of games or not. It's pretty complicated.
 
Ryan's Beard said:
To be fair, Keano was a bit of a cnut on the pitch in a way Cantona never really was.

NB: I said better comparison, not good comparison.
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Mmm, I thinly they both had very similar cultish on pitch levels. Eric had at least 2 stamps, a couple of slaps and a few wild lunges.

Keane had a similar record.
 
Cantona didn't disgrace the image of the club. That's why he wasn't shipped out. He was already well on his way to being a club legend at that point. He was punished by the club and FA. Totally different situations. Similar in that they have their issues but that't it.
Cantona was never a liar or a sneak either, which is one of his redeeming qualities. If he was going to hurt you, you'd know. He wouldn't hide from it or shy away and he'd say exactly what he did.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Mmm, I thinly they both had very similar cultish on pitch levels. Eric had at least 2 stamps, a couple of slaps and a few wild lunges.

Keane had a similar record.
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I always thought Cantona was more of a "losing his temper" sort of bloke, whereas Keane seemed more "I'm going to get that fecker". Could be wrong though to be fair.
 
Can we stop the comparisons of Suarez and Cantona please. For a Manchester United Forum to put those two in the same sentence is an aberration.
Unless it was "Cantona kung-fu kicks Suarez in the throat. Receives medal".
 
Chesterlestreet said:
He was a National Front/BNP type, convicted of assault against a petrol station worker (if memory serves). He was in trouble a few years ago too, incidentally - beat up his son's football coach. Unpleasant bloke by all accounts.
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Sorry, I meant didn't he do something whilst in the crowd?

Either way he definitely sounds like a knob head though.
 
duffer said:
I gathered that rfom you calling him a "racist low-life". As a white bloke (like Cantona) though I can't think of any racial taunts that would make me wanna flying kick someone.
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From what i remember it was something about his mum and being a frog

EDIT: just to clarify thats his words im using not my own description :-)
 
duffer said:
I gathered that rfom you calling him a "racist low-life". As a white bloke (like Cantona) though I can't think of any racial taunts that would make me wanna flying kick someone.
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I don't think it has ever been established exactly what he said - he was taunting him, though, as theregister says - plenty of abuse was spouted: Some of it was about his mother, apparently, and some about him being French. It was hateful stuff, at any rate, far beyond "banter".

Yeah - the vampire beat me to it. What he says: Mums and frogs.
 
Redlambs said:
And this is all about the scousers deflecting from the fact they are getting what they deserve.

Dignity. The Liverpool way.
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It is not a deflection Suarez is an idiot and some of the past
defence of him by the club has been poor.
However people idolise the likes of Cantona who himself was guilty
over a long period of time of questionable behaviour too.
 
johnny boy said:
It is not a deflection Suarez is an idiot and some of the past
defence of him by the club has been poor.
However people idolise the likes of Cantona who himself was guilty
over a long period of time of questionable behaviour too.
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Yet again you are missing the biggest difference. I hope on purpose because it's been said enough.

United dealt with it immediately and the fans accepted it. Liverpool, the management, the players, the ex players and the fans have all made fools of themselves over Suarez. And for what? It was always going to end this way. Nothing about your club and the handling of this has been dignified. You've allowed a player to do what he wants and think he is actually bigger than he is, and now you are getting it shoved right back in your faces.

Cantona was dealt with from the off and we had no such problems. We didn't have t-shirts or a club legend disgrace himself.
 
lem8sh said:
Just forgot Fenerbache will probably be banned won't they
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Arsenal can lose and still probably go through. There's an appeal after the tie. They would be reinstated if Fenerbache are found guilty, which from what I have read seems likely.
 
johnny boy said:
It is not a deflection Suarez is an idiot and some of the past
defence of him by the club has been poor.
However people idolise the likes of Cantona who himself was guilty
over a long period of time of questionable behaviour too.
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I think you guys need to hold your hands up as fans and a club and accept you have been made to look stupid by Suarez.

Cantona's only real outstandingly stupid moment was the incident vs Crystal Palace and this was dealt with by the club quietly and with dignity. Even Eric himself kept quiet. Yes he was sent off, much like Roy Keane, but all within the boundaries of the game. He never racially abused players or took chunks out of them with his teeth, nor did the club make t-shirts and continually publicly embarrass themselves regarding the matter.

Liverpool lost a lot of respect from me the way they have pandered to Suarez and his antics which to be frank have been nothing short of disgusting. His behaviour would not have been accepted by United or the Liverpool of old. Fortunately Rodgers is doing what looks to be a good job of handling things this time around and with the backing of the board.

I think the moment Suarez realised Liverpool were of the attitude that he could do no wrong he decided to take the piss regarding forcing a move. Liverpool have themselves to blame. They have helped make him think he is bigger than the club and now it has all gone full circle.
 
Spiersey said:
Arsenal can lose and still probably go through. There's an appeal after the tie. They would be reinstated if Fenerbache are found guilty, which from what I have read seems likely.
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According to the post I've read in the CL thread, the precedent is that the clubs from the same country will get preference.
 
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