I think you mean groomed. Did Campbell just arrive at Spurs the player he was?
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He most definitely is.
God, this Alastair bloke talks some shite.
1) He won't be booed.
2) He's not doing it to make a point, he's acting in the club's best interests.
Whether we are or aren't - that's the goal we've set ourselves. Thus, selling Suarez to the club we're most likely to displace is actively condemning ourselves to mediocrity & will make our job even harder. Why would we want to do that?
1) He won't be booed.
2) He's not doing it to make a point, he's acting in the club's best interests.
Whether we are or aren't - that's the goal we've set ourselves. Thus, selling Suarez to the club we're most likely to displace is actively condemning ourselves to mediocrity & will make our job even harder. Why would we want to do that?
Huh-huh. Yeah, sure he is.
There are no heroes in the modern game. Except Phil Jones. Of course.
Don't be a twat. Campbell arrived as a powerful CB and continued to develop in that role. RvP arrived as a winger, was developed as a No.10 and made to flourish as a No.9.
It's a valid point. The question is to what extent Suarez is likely to stink up the place to an intolerable extent. I suspect you're right, personally. He realizes he can't have his move, comes out with some bollocks by way of an apology, plays another season as well as he can and gets moved on next summer. It could play out that way.
And most fans will probably tolerate him as long as he produces on the pitch. The man himself strikes me as ruthless more than emotional - which should mean that once he realizes the battle is lost, he won't pull a Tevez, as this obviously won't make him a more attractive target come the next window.
Another question would be how much hinges on Liverpool securing a CL spot next season - for Rodgers and his so-called project. You may easily fall short even with Suarez in the team. And he clearly won't be around long-term. If he doesn't bugger off now, he will next summer. As such one might argue that you may as well let him go now, pocket the cash, perhaps get someone useful in before the window closes - and keep tinkering with the project. To clarify, if it isn't alpha and omega that you qualify for the CL this season, this would seem like an argument - no?
Doubled his worth? He's only worth a lot to Liverpool at the moment. He doesn't have many suitors other than Arsenal cause most people know he's an asshole with a head problem. Wenger probably wants to take the chance but I can assure you his past troubles and current attitude are making him less worth to potential buyers.
Even with Suarez Liverpool are some way off CL. They need to get past Everton and Spurs first.
You can always believe.
At Spurs. A shame they weren't compensated for their hard work.
Yes, that seems to be the situation. So, what to do? Keep on their best player, who wants away and who will not stick around for more than one season at the most, or sell him and take some further baby steps towards putting together a top four team - through getting in a player or two who would strengthen them in other positions.
If I were the manager of such a team I might be tempted to do the latter - but then it all depends on how patient the board is with the "project".
They got 120 games more (ie 3/4 seasons-worth).
Where you getting your stats from? He has played in 194 league games for Arsenal and 277 in total. Campbell played 316 in total. That was a hell of a two seasons Van Persie played.
Yeah. They didn't.
What are you wittering about: Campbell 255 league games for Spurs, van Persie 133 for Arsenal.
I believe his most recent comments where he states he's not 'desperate' to leave tell us everything we need to know about him potentially throwing his toys out of the pram. If he stays, he'll put his head down. Throwing a tantrum and fecking everyone off would indeed be counter productive for everyone, himself in particular. Add on the fact it's a world cup year and that the whole saga will have very much been a thing of the past when his ban is over, and we'll see a return to normal quite quickly in my opinion.
As for fan reaction, it's a certainty that he'll be gee'd on as soon as he gets on the pitch and performs a nutmeg or two. The current level of outrage & condemnation towards Suarez from the Liverpool fan base is expected, but doing my head in a bit at the moment. It's a reality that loyalty is very rare in football. Personally, I can understand his motivation when asking for a move - it's just the joining Arsenal bit that makes it a sensitive situation.
I think the whole thing goes beyond Suarez' value on the pitch, too. Fact is, we're a shadow of the club we used to be but it's imperative that we hang onto our elite aura for as long as possible. Selling our best player to the 4th (not 1st, but 4th) best club in the land would set a new, dangerous precedent.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_van_Persie
Or if you find Wikipedia unreliable we could go with Arsenals own website.
http://www.arsenal.com/history/profiles/537/robin-van-persie
So outside of your own mind where are you getting your statistics from? We'll be generous and call it an extra two seasons. Or £12m a season if you prefer.
255/133. You can't do the math can you?
I can do imaginary math almost as well as you can can do imaginary statistics. If Arsenal have one footballer who played 277 games for them and get £24m when he leaves and Spurs have one footballer who played 316 games for them and get nothing when he leaves. How much more money do Arsenal have?
255/133. End of.
If he does stay I will have to say kudos to Liverpool for sticking fat and showing that a player can't hold a club to ransom, and that if you are happy enough to sign a contract you can expect to honor it. It's a shame they have let him shit all over the club previously though, but better late than never.
On a side note, I wonder what it would take for Real to sign him?
On a side note, I wonder what it would take for Real to sign him?
Yes - I can see that, certainly. One may ponder how much these things matter in the modern game - I mean the aura of a club and such intangibles. I'd like to think they still matter, because without 'em football is fast becoming pretty soulless.
I agree on the loyalty point. I've been banging a similar drum as regards Rooney. Fans have a tendency to overplay the loyalty factor to a ridiculous extent when it suits their arguments, yet completely ignore it when their club looks likely to sign a juicy name. The RVP transfer is a case in point, though I know many here will probably disagree. How many years a player has actually served the club matters less than some flimsy idea about his personal traits.
That, however, was a digression.
To quote a 'back of the net' tier piece of word-smithery from al, "Have you seen him at the moment? He looks like he's swallowed an ants nest."
I'm starting to think Peter is still upset with Van Persie
It's just hilarious that he's making this issue with Liverpool so bitter after they backed him to the hilt. Serves them right for being absolute morons in their blind defense of him.
Yup, he's our Eric Cantona. Had someone like Phil Neville or Nicky Butt behaved liked the Grade A loon Frenchman, they'd have been packed off pretty sharpish for tainting the image of MUFC. The manager & fans wouldn't have had it no other way. The fact is, at the time he was integral to everything that United were trying to achieve. So despite the national uproar & condemnation, most people at your club, & more so the manager backed him to the hilt. We're pretty much the same in that respect.
Was I dreaming when the club came out and reprimanded Cantona themselves?
That's exactly the point this moron can't get. Plus Cantona knuckled down after and it was a one off.
But hey let's not let that get in the way of a good old scouser victim whinge. It's not like they brought it on themselves.
There was a certain difference regarding the nature of the national uproar and condemnation. We all know who Cantona kicked and why he kicked him. That fact wasn't lost on the media either. He wasn't portrayed as a simple villain in that story - not by the media as a whole.
As far as what kind of person was "backed to the hilt" goes the two cases could hardly be more different. Suarez is regarded by most neutral fans as a despicable cnut. Cantona was, I think, viewed in a slightly different light.
What I've taken from this thread is that it's fine to run down your contract and leave on a free UNLESS you've developed as a player changed positions on the pitch in which case you're a twat for wanting out.
Wasn't Cantona viewed as a great player but a 'bad boy' with issues at every club he played for.
Seem to recall a vicious stamp on John Moncur in a game against Swindon for example.
He was also banned at pretty much every French side he played for including a horrendous 2 footed lunge when playing for Auxerre, he got a 3 month ban? He was also in trouble at the same club for punching the goalie in the face I think and in trouble at Marseilles also? Obviously if that's all incorrect put me straight.
As for Suarez, yes he is a nutter and you can't condone what he has done.
It's not incorrect. He was definitely regarded as a bad boy, perhaps even as a bit of a loon. But he wasn't regarded as a despicable cnut - and therein lies the difference between him and Suarez. There are few if any mitigating circumstances for Suarez, neutral fans don't have any sympathy for him whatsoever - whereas Cantona had traits which many football fans could sympathize with, not just United fans. That, at least, is my contention.
Bad boy, bit of a loon, prone to make cryptic quotes to the press that have become the stuff of legend, on the one hand - whiny git who has racially abused and bit his fellow professionals on the other. It really is no comparison if you ask me, but then I am - of course - biased.
We can't but Liverpool FC certainly were happy to go along with it.
Okay fair enough. Obviously club bias plays a part in this.
There is no doubt Suarez is also a "loon".
The difference between Cantona and Saurez in that regard is that Cantona is much more likeable. I don't know if that makes him "better" though.
You said earlier what he did was a "one off" , that's hardly true though is it. He had a history of issues at pretty much every club he played for including United.
Nope...Cantona was a despicable cnut too.
I still suspect Suarez may be sold in January or next summer, if there is a buyer.
Looks like he is going nowhere at the moment.
To be fair decent statement from John Henry, maybe Arsenal will look elsewhere now.
It's far from the end of this saga but a determined stance from the club.
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