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Dumbstar said:
I've been going to the wrong 'sources' for real insider information into not only LFC the club, but also LFC owner's own brains. All insider information is available right here. :)
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I have no insider knowledge at all. But really the clubs do care about image and Kenny took every possible wrong turn during that whole farce.
 
acnumber9 said:
Dalglish disgraced himself.
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Utter rubbish.

He wasn't the one who came up with those t-shirts (for example) and he certainly wasn't the only one wearing one.

But this all kind of proves my point doesn't it? The fans were all for his defence of Suarez, now it's finally dawned on them how stupid it was, they are willing to shit on him for it.
 
Ramshock said:
Sorry mate I'm not buying that. I know loads of dippers and not ONE of them went against Suarez during the whole ordeal
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I'm talking about Kenny, the fans had nothing to do with what Kenny decided to do- he's his own man he was the one who decided to don those awful t-shirts.
 
Redlambs said:
Utter rubbish.

He wasn't the one who came up with those t-shirts (for example) and he certainly wasn't the only one wearing one.

But this all kind of proves my point doesn't it? The fans were all for his defence of Suarez, now it's finally dawned on them how stupid it was, they are willing to shit on him for it.
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He's a grown man. If he didn't want to wear one he wouldn't have. Would Ferguson have worn one if the Glazers asked him to?
 
Saoirse. said:
'You lot', you need to stop tarring everyone with the same brush for a start.

I supported Suarez, but after Torres I haven't idolised a player since. Suarez helped us win our first piece of silverware for six years, and has doubled his worth as a player since coming here of which we will eventually benefit from, so it hasn't exactly been all bad. He has dragged the clubs name through the dirt as well which probably writes off the good things he has done.

As I said, at this stage I want to keep him for another season then sell him abroad, hopefully we will be back in Europe to attract players who could potentially replace him.
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You lot is very apt here.

You are still trying to justify it! But hey, it's all ok because he helped you win a trophy.
 
Saoirse. said:
I'm talking about Kenny, the fans had nothing to do with what Kenny decided to do- he's his own man he was the one who decided to don those awful t-shirts.
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Until theres a shift in the dynamic of the league or LFC get a lot of investment this idolizing a player then getting let down is going to continue. Couthinho will be the next one watch and see.
 
Saoirse. said:
I'm talking about Kenny, the fans had nothing to do with what Kenny decided to do- he's his own man he was the one who decided to don those awful t-shirts.
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Again, this is my point exactly. Most of you thought is was great at the time, YAWN and all that.

Now it's gone down the inevitable route, feck Kenny and what he did alone. Yeah, cause he was all alone in that one.

Suarez huh?
 
Saoirse. said:
No one is denying Suarez is a little cnut, he was adequately punished for both of those offences. It's not how the fact he wants to leave either, it's how he has gone about it, selling interviews to newspapers on the sly, 'let me leave' pleas, refusing to play pre-season games etc. He's disrespecting the club and the people who stood by him through the shit storms.
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Yeah, but everyone saw it coming apart from Liverpool fans!

That's because most of you (not all) were busy disrespecting what you claim to stand for by supporting this scumbag.

He isn't the most at fault here. He was allowed to act bigger than the club and get away with what he wanted, and now it's no wonder he thinks that. You'd have to be so very blinkered not to see that!
 
moses said:
Jaysus, rewriting history. He wasn't much worse than your current one. If you think Kenny's stupidity around the Suarez had no effect on the yanks you are really mistaken.
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Balls.

Downing and Carroll =£55m Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet, Aspas = £39m

2011/12= 52 points 2012/13= 61 points

2011/12= 47 goals for, 40 against GD=7 2012/13= 71 for, 43 against GD= 28

Virtually every aspect of Brendan's tenure has been better than Kenny's. Only thing was Kenny won a trophy. I admire Kenny as a man and as a footballer, but he was a terrible manager. You suggesting Kenny was as good as Brendan is you rewriting history.
 
Saoirse. said:
Balls.

Downing and Carroll =£55m Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet, Aspas = £39m

2011/12= 52 points 2012/13= 61 points

2011/12= 47 goals for, 40 against GD=7 2012/13= 71 for, 43 against GD= 28

Virtually every aspect of Brendan's tenure has been better than Kenny's. Only thing was Kenny won a trophy. I admire Kenny as a man and as a footballer, but he was a terrible manager. You suggesting Kenny was as good as Brendan is you rewriting history.
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Balls if you like, do you know what rewriting history is? I haven't changed my mind on either of your shite managers.

I said he wasn't much worse, so not only are you rewriting history (in that there's no way you called Kenny shite at the time) you are also putting words in my mouth. 9 points is not a huge gap, and one that can be arguably, and very much was, said to be filled by the cups.

Yes Kenny was a shite manager in terms of transfers, but you also never said that at the time.

Thus rewriting history.
 
Saoirse. said:
No one is denying Suarez is a little cnut, he was adequately punished for both of those offences. It's not how the fact he wants to leave either, it's how he has gone about it, selling interviews to newspapers on the sly, 'let me leave' pleas, refusing to play pre-season games etc. He's disrespecting the club and the people who stood by him through the shit storms.
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Well at least you didn't need to carry him through six seasons to get the two good ones and then have him run his contract down to leave for a much reduced fee.
 
Saoirse. said:
No one is denying Suarez is a little cnut, he was adequately punished for both of those offences. It's not how the fact he wants to leave either, it's how he has gone about it, selling interviews to newspapers on the sly, 'let me leave' pleas, refusing to play pre-season games etc. He's disrespecting the club and the people who stood by him through the shit storms.
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That's everyone's point. That is entirely in character. Only now do ye see it though.
 
Saoirse. said:
I did say he was an awful manager at the time*, bar winning the league his tenure was a disaster. If nine points isn't a huge gap, how come 12 points between us and Arsenal is a massive gap this year? You can just pick and chose how many points make a massive gap and how many isn't that much depending on the situation.

I went to search my post history to get some proof but it only dates back as far as my time in the main forum, but I assure you I though Kenny was a terrible manager at the time.
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Stop being so annoying. Where did I say 12 points was a massive gap?

And it's still bigger over a season than 9 and a cup.
 
retardman5 said:
Bet you he doesn't think that way right now.
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Of course he does.

Nearly every single thing Liverpool have done in the last couple of years paints a picture to Luis Suarez that they need him more than he needs them.

Oh you racially abused a black player? Let's make t-shirts in support of you and pretend you're the victim.

You've assaulted another player? Well you're still a great guy.

Up until a few days ago, Rodgers was still blowing smoke up his arse. Suarez could've taken a shit on your fans' faces and you'd have got a signed photo of it.

What would that say to you if you were Suarez? To me it would say I can do whatever the feck I want to these saps because they need me more than I need them. Would you respect people who let you walk all over them and never pull you up on your shit? Personally I wouldn't.

And let's be honest, the only reason you all embarrassed yourselves defending him is because you realise that simple fact - you need him more than he needs you.
 
It all boils down to reap what you sow.

Everyone at Liverpool FC, the owners, the board, the manager, the players and mostly the fans were all so keen to stick by this disgrace, a man not only with previous but who went on to act like a cnut again after the racism shit, because of a shared delusion of where they think they are entitled to be.

Even to a lot of United fans it's sad to see. The mighty Liverpool reduced to bending over and taking it for a single player who at best has kept you mid table! fecking hell talk about completely forget who you once were. Now he's turned on you in the only way it was ever going to happen, and now you are the victims again?

Desperation made you give the child free reign of the playground. You made him feel bigger and more invincible than he is. Now he has looked over the fence and seen the big boy's park and wants to go join in. And now, you want to put him on the naughty step?

You might as well hire super nanny as your manager. It's like a nursery dealing with you lot.
 
moses said:
Stop being so annoying. Where did I say 12 points was a massive gap?

And it's still bigger over a season than 9 and a cup.
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I'm saying in general how 12 points between us an Arsenal is seen as a massive gap but 9 points gained over the course of a season isn't seen as that much.
 
peterstorey said:
Well at least you didn't need to carry him through six seasons to get the two good ones and then have him run his contract down to leave for a much reduced fee.
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Yeah and in those two good ones you were still shit.

Tell me, how is Suarez going to make you any better? You couldn't get out of the rut with the likes of RVP and Fabregas, how is spending all your cash on this scrote going to change that?
 
Saoirse. said:
I'm saying in general how 12 points between us an Arsenal is seen as a massive gap but 9 points gained over the course of a season isn't seen as that much.
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Yeah repeating it and ignoring my post, that'll help. Good luck to you.
 
Saoirse. said:
Henry is basically saying Liverpool will sell Suarez next season, just not this season as it is too late in the day to look for a suitable replacement for him.
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And they eventually got rid of Ramirez. He was a shithead for a while. Suarez has been for a while.
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah and in those two good ones you were still shit.

Tell me, how is Suarez going to make you any better? You couldn't get out of the rut with the likes of RVP and Fabregas, how is spending all your cash on this scrote going to change that?
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Yada, yada, yada. The point was in the Biggest Disloyal Cuntbucket Stakes, van Persie romps home unchallenged.
 
peterstorey said:
Yada, yada, yada. The point was in the Biggest Disloyal Cuntbucket Stakes, van Persie romps home unchallenged.
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Still bitter huh?

It's amusing that, like these poor delusional scousers here, the real thing that's eating at you is your star player wanted a high level to test himself on. You keep worrying about battling the mighty spurs, Everton and Liverpool for the first also-rans spot. Don't concern yourself on our great RVP whether or not he has enough polish for his Premiership champion medal.
 
I like Liverpool. I really hope that the rumour going around that our boards met to smooth the relationship is true because I feel that there is some kind of bond between the two clubs.

It's actually quite sad that in recent years Liverpool have shown absolutely no common sense on or off the field. The previous owners were a shambles, and the new owner, despite a promising start, seems to have become increasingly embittered by how football is run. Making statements like the one he has tonight is just setting himself up for embarrassment. Money talks. The man is a businessman who has to run Liverpool properly; keeping a player who will be booed by his own supporters for a season just to make a point(however principled it may be) is really difficult to follow through on.

I fully understand their stance. The reasons for which they are so against selling us Suarez are exactly the reasons we were so against selling you Van Persie, but at the end of the day, it's the money that matters. Liverpool aren't realistically going to be in the CL the season after next, and for a club that isn't receiving that income, £45m(the equivalent of a QF appearance) is a huge amount to actively pass up for a player who wants out.

Maybe they will keep Suarez. If they do, we'll see if it proves to be the right decision. For now, however, Henry should keep his mouth shut. Liverpool traditionally act with class - publically asking questions about what Gazidis is smoking and then coming out with the statements he has is not in keeping with the club. But as I say, those values, for me, have evaporated a tad over the last few years.
 
Reading rumours Suarez has apologised to the board and they have asked him to make it public. As I say rumours so take with a pinch of salt.

Too little too late for his reputation with the fans I would say but fans are fickle so you'll get the usual crowd lapping him up. For me now, I just hope he has a good season to help our league campaign and also so we hopefully sell him for a good price next season.
 
peterstorey said:
Spurs got 8 years we got 2. You do the math.
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Van Persie was decent enough not to run his contract and leave for nothing. He's a hero. Sol Campbell played 40 games more for Spurs than Van Persie did for Arsenal. I think Spurs would have forgone the extra games for some cash.
 
Van Persie used the threat of running it down to get out, he's the bigger cnut, particularly when you consider how Wenger moulded him. Campbell played 255 league games for Spurs, RvP 133 for Arsenal (he's played 20% of his games for Man Utd despite being there for just a year).
 
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