You missed the part where Boro took it to the courts afterwards for more and we eventually had to negotiate a settlement with them.
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You missed the part where Boro took it to the courts afterwards for more and we eventually had to negotiate a settlement with them.
So in the month that Moyes has been in the job, and the entire month he had before that you don't think he would have been indentfying players?
As it is the situations are similar, both clubs have the money to spend and both clubs are going after high profile players. You're just giving us a pass because you support United.
Everything I've seen about this clause for months now is that it isn't a release clause and Liverpool are under no obligation to sell. Arsenal have clearly been led to believe otherwise but really that's none of Liverpool's concern.
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Of course he thought about identifying players but having a few weeks isn't the same as having all year of Arsenal have. Neither club is in a similar situation. United have spend net around £40m and £50m these last two seasons. Arsenal don't spend significant amount of money unless they recoup large transfer fees. We do.
Arsenal have had all the time in the world to identify and close down targets. Yet end of July it's spurious bids for players they probably won't get. If they had serious money to spend they'd have invested it in shrewd purchases of top-level talent under the radar like we have sometimes had to do in the past. You're acting as if Moyes having a few weeks to completely familiarise himself with, decide upon and assess his team to determine which players to go for is in any way comparable to Arsenal's position.
If someone can turn up and within a few weeks be at or more advance as Wenger is in the logistics of his transfer market approach that's a serious criticism of the Arsenal manager IMO.
Morals? FFS. It's not like he's asking Suarez to be a godfather to his child. Did your morals stop you from cheering Rooney and Giggs?
I think FM's response was slightly tongue-in-cheek. Not like cider who seems to have taken Suarez's issues rather personally.
I don't think we'll sign him, fwiw, but the very thought of spending that amount of money on a ticking bomb just baffles me.
Get off your high horse, you seem confident in your constant LFC bashing, it's getting boring now. You were at it on another thread the other day too.
A Chelsea fan on his little stool waxing lyrical about other clubs and their fans behaviour. It's actually quite laughable.
On what planet is Suarez worth £40m? fecking hell, Wenger's lost the plot.
Cavani went for £55m million, do you not think LFC should demand a similar amount considering the number of goals and value as a top player for the club?
Raturn.
He went for that much as he went to a sugar daddy club and also due to the fact he isn't in the middle of a large ban for a re-occurring offence.
Just find it inexplicable that a club whose fans perpetrated the Heysel stadium disaster, who sing songs lionising Harold Shipman (because he killed innocent pensioners from a Bury postcode), charge turnstiles "on the jib" to this day (Athens), rock ambulances with injured players in, throw round inflatable aeroplanes at away games etc would have the sheer audacity to describe themselves as "classy" in any way, shape or form - but Liverpool do about themselves with absolute metronomic regularity.
It's typical of the complete lack of self-awareness of the football club and Luis Suarez has tapped into the mentality completely (it's a Manchester United conspiracy, it's the English media, it's the FA) - it's always everyone else's fault and there's always a complete unwillingness to take any responsibility.
As I said, made for each other.
So what? Liverpool have a valuation. Not everyone has to agree on that, I accept that. However, he is on a long term contract, our best player and we don't want to sell, hence the club can impose a high valuation on any possible transfer.
Like I say , you sound like an old record now, Yawn. You have a problem with LFC, no doubt if I could be bothered searching around for issues on your fantastic club I could find a few too - booing Hillsborough minutes silence and so much more, but I have better things to do.
Let's leave it at that.
Liverpool do have a valuation but you must agree that those negative factors about him have to factor in to what his actual value to a buying team is? The main reason he is worth more to Liverpool is that they don't have a chance of getting a player his quality to replace him.
I do agree about the negative factors, fair comment, however the club have a high valuation of him, he is as pointed out on here our 1 "world class player".
My point is that is isn't a ridiculous valuation but more a ridiculous expectation of someone to pay that much, although I imagine thats what Liverpool think as well, and will hang on to him.
I'd like to ask John Henry what he is smoking if he thinks Suarez is worth 55 million. Liverpool are incredibly unprofessional, especially with their PR.
He's a wum cowboy. Hilarious....
you could be right.Classless twat, Henry, but that's not unexpected.
Says it all about modern football that Henry wants to hang on to Luis Suarez but was quite prepared to drop genuine Liverpool legend Kenny Dalglish.
If he doesn't want to sell Suarez, he doesn't have to as the guy is on a long term contract and is probably their only shot of reaching Champions League football next season.
So all in all can understand why he doesn't want to sell. And he certainly isn't a buffoon for wanting an extraordinate amount for Suarez.
So all in all can understand why he doesn't want to sell. And he certainly isn't a buffoon for wanting an extraordinate amount for Suarez.
I don't think it's relevant. Andy Carroll went for £35m, that doesn't mean every player of a similar level should go for the same.
How does Suarez's club record even stack up against Cavani's?
There's no way on earth that the Suarez I've watched in the last few years is worth £40m.
Well it's a harsh way to look at it. But Suarez gets you at least 20 league goals a season and Dalglish blew £35m on Andy Carroll. Understandable which one is let go.
Completely agree. Good player, but with the disciplinary problems and shaming of the club that come as part of the package, he isn't worth a penny more than 40m.
It says that Suarez is good at his job and Dalglish was bad at his.
Oh, I know about the cold, hard facts. And, believe me, I'm not just having a go at Liverpool. I just find it a sad sign of the times, that's all.
I'm not even talking about his lack of discipline and general being a cnut, I mean just as a footballer, he's not worth that level of fee.
Oh come on, don't be a demagogue. It says nothing about modern football and says everything about spending more than 50m on Downing and Carroll.
Maybe so but, in comparison, we rightly talk about giving David Moyes "time" even though he has no connection to our club; yet Dalglish, someone who's absolutely part of LFC's (and the city's) soul, wasn't given that time.
I'm surprised at henry's attitude to suarez, although I do think its more about ensuring they get a good price than any real indication hes going to keep the guy, but I think getting rid of kenny was the best desicion they have made so far.
Yes, its nice to say he needed more time, but he managed to spend 35 million on carroll in a spending orgy that saw nearly 100 mill go and leave them with downing henderson enrique (I think that was the other one)and carroll to show for it , then he wore that stupid arsed t shirt on a tv interview broadcast around the world and lookled like alost child after the handshake drama at old trafford.
Kenny was of a time, he just doesnt fit into the modern football world, and every passing day showed it more. I am certain had they not got rid, 15th or so would have been all they managed last year. I think brenton is a complete arse, but hes a better manager now than dalglish is , hell never be as good a manager as dalglish was though.
To be fair to him, he is a great player, regardless of how much of a cnut he is. I would try to hold out for around 40 million if Madrid was offering that for him, but since it's Arsenal, I'd have probably given a similar response. Selling Suarez to Arsenal would destroy any slight chance there is of liverpool making it to the champions league in the next few years, and Arsenal would pretty much cement themselves in those spots.
Yeah, good points, tbf. I am, though, surprised that Liverpool's bosses - in contrast - took so long to fire Hodgson, given that so many fans were dissatisified with him.
Isn't he contracted until 2018? I can see why Liverpool are holding out for a more tasty offer. They have a number of years left yet until they are forced to sell him.
I think £40m might make sense if he had 2-3 years left on his contract, but Liverpool hold more cards at the moment.
I think £40m might make sense if he had 2-3 years left on his contract, but Liverpool hold more cards at the moment.
Not too sure about that. I can't imagine how much more trouble an unhappy Suarez would cause.
Considering Suarez's best season (last one) was still not as good as any of cavani's last three in terms of goals, I would say no.
This isn't too bad. Of course Arsenal spending 40 million on a great striker isn't great news but of all the strikers who would fetch that much, he's probably the most explosive one. Plus it blows his crap about wanting to leave to get away from the media out of the water for Liverpool fans.
The major downside I guess is that Liverpool might then go and offer Soldado's clause straight away.
Why would they when Cavani had most top clubs in europe sniffing around and is a better player without being morally corrupt?
At 40 million Wenger should have gone for Higuian and a defender then use the extra dollar for Downing.
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