Don't understand why Arsenal refused to go any higher than the 30m euros for Higuain but then go for £40m on Suarez. I'm guessing it's just their opinion on the quality of the 2 players, but one is without baggage and doesn't have the label as the most hated player in the country for a string of very poor actions.
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TBH, think of Arsenal and strikers as United and midfielders. If Suárez were a midfielder of an equivalent quality most of the posters on here would be walking down the street being all philosophical as well. I reckon about half would outright brush it all off. cnut but our cnut and all that.
I'm not following transfers at all. Have they offered 40M?
I agree Higuain was much better value for money.
Suarez is a much better footballer to be fair.
And proven in the League and suits our style of play more.
Having said that I would rather Higuain.
Having said that I would rather Higuain.
They should give us the 40mil for Rooney.
Too bad that's not all he is.
He damaged goods. A problem wherever he goes. Drops his value.
Suarez would be successful whichever league he plays in. Unfortunately, I don't see him as stable enough to stay with one club for more than 2-3 years, which would suggest that £42 would be about 15m too much for him.
Obviously that is a factor, but I feel that without his myriad of personal problems he'd probably be worth more than 40 mil. As it stands the bid is 15 mil ish less than other comparable forwards have moved for this window (Falcao, Cavani)
His attitude is something that can be worked on. Being able to score goals in the PL and having a couple of proven seasons means he's worth more than Higuain in my book. I suppose you can also add the value of weakening Liverpool too.
I clearly don't rate him as highly as most on here. Not the Higuain comparison as I included baggage in value for money there, but 40M quid?
Or maybe it's me being old fashioned and not in tune with this insane world where 30-35M bids are seen as derisory.
Or maybe it's me being old fashioned and not in tune with this insane world where 30-35M bids are seen as derisory.
I don't think I'll be able to warm up to this daft idea Wenger and co suddenly seem to have gotten.
Suarez, for all his talent, is a cancer to any team.
Assuming we go the whole hog here and close of at £45m, with a £6m salary/year for 4 years, we're looking at a near £70m offlay for a crazy person. That's as much as we've spent in the last 5 years combined.
For fecks sake.
Suarez, for all his talent, is a cancer to any team.
Assuming we go the whole hog here and close of at £45m, with a £6m salary/year for 4 years, we're looking at a near £70m offlay for a crazy person. That's as much as we've spent in the last 5 years combined.
For fecks sake.
CMIIW but minimum release clause means that if a team offered that price, than they can negotiate with the player, and if the player agrees, the selling club have to sell
It really isn't. He's not some kid who has strayed. He's 26 years old ffs and has been like this since the start of his career. If you sign him, I'm sure he'll score loads of goals, but he'll also act the twat and drag your club's name through the mud.
More or less, yes. But Suarez apparently doesn't have such a clause in his contract, which means that Liverpool aren't obliged to let him go no matter what anyone offers - they're only obliged to let the player know, formally, that a bid has been made. Or something. I'm waiting for someone to come along and clear this matter up, because it still strikes me as very odd.
I think you're severely underestimating us. United fans would not stand for our club trying to sign Luis Suarez. In the ridiculous eventuality of Suarez signing for United he'd be quickly hounded out by the fans and the manager would lose his job over it.
I think you're right. But then we wouldn't have considered buying him even if he'd been a nicer bloke than Gandhi. As far as hypothetical scenarios go it would perhaps be more interesting to ask how our fans would react if a player of similar talent and cuntishness were bought from, say, Newcastle.
You wish
Yep. Especially considering he will most likely be holding out for a move to Real ATM and most probably in the future too, I'll bet.
I would much rather we spend the cash on Higuain and another quality player.
There aren't any players I know of with a similar level of cuntishness. I've only been watching football for twenty years but in that time I've never known anything like Luis Suarez.
There's no way United fans would stand for the club signing either Luis Suarez or some imaginary equal of his. I'm not entirely adverse to players having a bit of a rough side to their game, but Luis Suarez goes far beyond what's reasonable - he's an unashamed cheat, a cowardly fowler, a racist, a turncoat, a liability, a disgrace and a cnut.
This isn't a case of my trying to make United out as being some higher than thou super club; I'd expect that no set of fans from any club would want Luis Suarez wearing their badge - his ability as a footballer is entirely irrelevant. I don't think I've ever labelled anyone as this before but Suarez is scum.
I disagree. The fact is, had Suarez racially abused a non-United player, I think most fans would be comfortable with him signing. That's pretty much the position most Arsenal fans find themselves in.
Whoever signs him are signing a player who will embarrass the club somehow or other within the first season.
What are you laughing at, Grinner?
At you going OTT.
I don't think most would've been comfortable with it - nor does it seem that Arsenal fans are: More of a slightly uncomfortable assent, I'd say. But assent, yes. Which is bad enough, you might say. But this is the nature of football fans: I'm fairly sure the more sane among our resident Chelsea fans would've detested John Terry if he played for another club.
If Suarez hadn't played for Liverpool and we had somehow ended up buying him, I think most of our fans would've been less than happy with the idea. But after a short enough while, if he had been a success on the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if we had started seeing similar rationalizations to the ones we know - and love to mock - from RAWK: He's just doing whatever it takes to win, using racist language isn't the same as being a racist (and, come to think of it, wasn't his granddad black...?)
I'm sorry to say I wouldn't be surprised at all. That said, this place isn't always representative of the average United fan's mindset: I'm sure there would've been many posters here who would've unequivocally condemned such a transfer and refused to back down. It would've been an extremely awkward situation, though. Your team's star striker is a cnut of the highest order - what do you do? Hope he doesn't score too often? Or try to downplay his cuntishness? The second option is no doubt far easier than sticking to your principles, I'd say.
How is it being over the top?
The man's a self proclaimed and unashamed cheat who has dragged Liverpool's name through the dirt over the past few seasons. He's a coward who stamps on players, bites, spits at and racially abuses people.
Is it really being over the top to suggest that nobody would want such a player to be part of their club?
It's a bit different for Liverpool tbh since they didn't know he was a total cnut when they signed him (there were a fair few signs but everyone deserves the benefit of the doubtl). What I'm saying though is, why would anyone want him at their club now? After all he's done at Liverpool, how could any football supporter not be strongly opposed to their club trying to sign him?
Good post.
Yes, it is. What he's basically saying is that you're prepared to put your morals to one side - shame on you!
It's a very pertinent question, mate. I don't know. But I can't think most Arsenal fans are actually happy with this. I'd be embarrassed myself, and I suspect many of them are too - but then the fandom kicks in and the rationalization begins.
To me, personally, it would have been very simple. But I'm growing more and more disillusioned with and generally tired of the whole sport, and all the circus and bollocks surrounding it, not least. So, if United had signed Suarez (or done something similar), I would have simply walked away: Taken a break, waiting for better times. I certainly wouldn't have gone on actively supporting the club, that would've been out of the question for me.
Is anyone so prepared though?
We're all proud of our football clubs for reasons deeper than success on the pitch. Their club acting with dignity and integrity is important to most football supporters. Clubs such as Liverpool, United and Arsenal have long been built upon strong principles which the fans can get behind and feel passionate about. Luis Suarez though has single handedly shattered those principles at Liverpool since signing for them, he's dragged the name of the club through the dirt and turned it's supporters into a bunch of contrary apologists.
Would anyone really welcome this man into their club in the knowledge that they'd likely be opening themselves up to the same fate? I doubt that they would to be honest, and rightly so. I don't think it going over the top to suggest that most football supporters would not want the moral standing of their club (and ultimately themselves) so severely jeopardised as would be the case in the event of signing Luis Suarez.
What would be the cost of twenty-five goals and season? £40m, a series of lengthy bans, repeatedly made a laughing stock and the inevitable compete disregard for moral principle in conflict with unwavering support for the club? feck that.
I think, personally speaking, I'm a lot more concerned about the potential damage he could cause the club (which is obviously based on his previous cuntery).
We suddenly have pots to spend, and we decide to go after Suarez? I'm just not able to get my head around this.
Not impressed.
In fairness to Cider it's much easier for a United supporter to say/mean these things after the Evragate affair.
He's the best available player we can potentially sign. Unfortunately the fact he's potentially available (for us to sign) is almost entirely due to his khuntishness though. Had he not done half the stupid shit he has I daresay a fair few clubs would have been interested, beyond us and Real Madrid.
Well in John Henry!
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